Oh dearie me, please desist from putting words into my mouth.

I want my govt to do what's the right thing for me.

I have no idea of the intricacies involved with diplomatic relations, I want my govt to do what's right for me.

All muzzies are death cult / child sex ideologues', from my perspective, however we have to have the best working relations possible with a mix of very facinorous backward (7th century) people.

It appears that the Saudis are what out govt has chosen, in my best interests I hope.

Now I know that the loony left will try all sorts of fake news, omission of facts, never giving the full story etc. etc. in their quest to bring us down from the inside.

So I take with a grain of salt any *facts* put up by the loony left.

The west is with the Saudis so we can only hope they have got it right.

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Agree?

I endure our Govts decisions, I am not privy to the reasons they have made this decision, I just hope they do what is in my best interest.

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I can't see any difference. Two groups of death cult people killing each other as their *holy* book dictates.

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Coming from a loony left muslim hybrid?

freediver wrote on Sep 27^th, 2019 at 5:59pm:


Oh look, we're yet again resorting to 'prove a negative' false logic. Really FD? Do you even listen to yourself?

Moses, you admit that you are no more than a snivelling coward. You support the most devious, fundamentalist Muslim hypocrites on the planet.

It is because of apologists like yourself that global terrorism continues in the name of Moh. Cowering, spineless appeasers, all 3 of you.

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Well spit three times and call me allah, both sides are the dregs from my perspective (they all believe in muslim supremacy, hatred rape torture and mass murder of the non believer or hypocrite corrupter muzzie), I hope my govt makes choices which are in my best interests, when dealing with them.

If I see a muzzie who will be honest and renounce the many evil deeds and teachings of muhammad, then declare moh is certainly no example for mankind today 2019, I will differentiate between the two groups.

Both groups commit the most heinous acts of depravity known to man, with the blessings of their qur'an.

islamic terrorism is part and parcel of islam, the only way to stop it is for the muzzies to be honest about the evil in their doctrine.

muzzies and their supporters all go to any lengths of deceit and lies to try and take the spotlight off the degeneracy of islam and muhammad.

They prefer the situation we have today of the never ending bloodshed death and destruction over being honest and telling the truth about islam allah muhammad and the qur'an.

muzzies are in the position of knowing to question and purge the evil of the qur'an would destroy islam, islam allah muhammad all got it wrong so the whole thing implodes, couldn't happen to nicer bunch as far as I'm concerned.

I prefer the death of islam and the ensuing peace, over retaining islam and the  reoccurring bloodshed and depravity.

moses wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2019 at 7:16pm:


Oh no, you don't. You support the kingdom of Saudi Arabia because you trust it's in your "interests".

You can hum and ha and krap away about Islam all you like. As long as you personally support an Islamic kingdom being armed and backed on the UN Security Council, you're a squirming spineless apologist for Wahhabi Islam, sharia law and the hudud, not to mention the despots in charge.

Saudi Arabia and Iran are the only two Islamic regimes in the world who are committed to spreading their power and influence. Most Sept 11 terrorists were Saudis. Bin Laden himself was a well-connected Saudi. The Saudis use their oil wealth to fund extremist Islamic propaganda as close to our country as Indonesia and Brunei. They are an expansionist regime, currently bombing their neighbour Yemen with bombs our allies provide them.

And you turn a blind eye to all of it, apologising for it when the need arises.

I've been clear since Sept 11: our real foe in the Middle East is Saudi Arabia. You?

moses wrote on Oct 4^th, 2019 at 3:37pm:


And yet, you back the regime at the very source of Islam. Let me help you find a way to excuse your views, Moses.

It's political: the Saudis are a tribal fiefdom. They're just trying to hold power, that's all. Religion has nothing to do with it.

The Saddam excuse: the Middle East is a macho place. You have to show strength. If you don't, another tribe's going to walk all over you, it's just the way they are.

Oil: Someone has to keep the oil flowing. They have a duty to help keep the rest of the world burning. Even a blip in production sees oil prices soar. The Saudis are doing us all a favour. As Dick Cheney said, we can't play God, you have to work with what you've got. Only God decides who's ground he puts the oil under. Cheney said that before he invaded Iraq, but you get the idea.

Dollars: they have a lot of money invested in our banks, our mining and energy sectors. Take out Saudi investment and everyone takes a hit.

Lifestyle: the Saudis have luxurious tastes. They like to shop at Harrods and drive in Rolls Royces and gamble in all the best casinos. They're used to this. It would be unfair to say they shouldn't aspire to the very best. Everyone deserves a go.

The alternatives are far worse: the Saudis have played the Western powers off since Lawrence of Arabia. They know the game well. Who could replace them? The Muslim Brotherhood? Hezbollah? ISIS? It's worth copping a bit of Saudi-backed terrorism every now and then to keep them in power. In the grand scheme of things, the 3000 killed in Sept 11 was nothing. Sure they're duplicitous, sure they're backstabbers, but would you rather have a regime that's openly hostile?

They keep order: there's hardly any crime in Saudi Arabia. No one steals, no one walks out of a restaurant without paying the bill. Who's going to risk getting their hands chopped off? The odd beheading for adultery or whatever keeps people on their toes. There might be a few murders every now and then, but this is just the security forces tidying things up. You can't have dissent, you have to stay on top of things. If anything, we could borrow a few ideas from the Saudis ourselves.

The emerging democracy excuse: democracy takes time, you can't rush it. A free media, elections, voting rights, they all have to be nurtured and allowed to grow, which they inevitably will with free trade policies in place. This is FD's old argument. He gave it up when he decided Iraq could be the next South Korea thanks to foreign intervention. We don't want to do this with the Saudis, right? It wouldn't be fair.

The Brian excuse: we make no excuses for those nations and their laws. We merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments.  It is terrible but we also recognise we have no right or ability to criticise them. We are neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations.

The Moses excuse: we must put our trust in our government to protect our interests. We don't have all the facts. If this means following every US foreign policy to the letter, so be it. If it means assisting them in their wars and incursions, every little bit helps. It's bi-partisan policy so it's hardly going to change, and anyway, what right do we have to question our government?

The FD excuse: look at the Taliban.

You've already used some of these, Moses, but feel free to pick and choose from these ones whenever you want to defend the Saudis. You can't say I don't try to help you out.