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Re: Muslims who support the Taliban
Reply #15 - Jan 30^th, 2019 at 2:04pm

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No, Moses, but they are committed to giving Israel back to the Palestinians if you believe what they say.

Do you support the Saudis yourself?

What do I think?

Well after reading these bits:

04/01/19 15:50

Islamic Jihad leader Ziyad Nakhalah this week confirmed that Iran has a plan to start a multiple-front-war against Israel.

While in Tehran, where he met with Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and Iranian President Hassan Rouhani

The Iranian Supreme Leader stepped up his belligerent rhetoric against Israel

His message in all the Tweets he fired off over the past 8 months was that Israel will disappear by “the grace of the resistance.”

Influential Iranians now say that that there’s a real possibility the political system in Iran will collapse.

The internal problems in Iran will probably have no effect on the continuing Iranian entrenchment in Syria and Iraq and the preparations for war against Israel until the regime falls.

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Ayatollah: Kill all Jews, annihilate Israel

Iran lays out legal case for genocidal attack against 'cancerous tumor'

Published: 02/05/2012 at 9:30 PM

The Iranian government, through a website proxy, has laid out the legal and religious justification for the destruction of Israel and the slaughter of its people.

The doctrine includes wiping out Israeli assets and Jewish people worldwide.

The article, written by Alireza Forghani, an analyst and a strategy specialist in Khamenei’s camp, now is being run on most state-owned sites, including the Revolutionary Guards’ Fars News Agency, showing that the regime endorses this doctrine.

Iran’s Defense Ministry announced this weekend that it test-fired an advanced two-stage, solid-fuel ballistic missile and boasted about successfully putting a new satellite into orbit, reminding the West that its engineers have mastered the technology for intercontinental ballistic missiles even as the Islamic state pushes its nuclear weapons program.

Forghani details the Islamic duty of jihad as laid out in the Quran for the sake of Allah and states that “primary jihad,” according to some Shiite jurists, can only occur when the Hidden Imam, the Shiites’ 12th Imam Mahdi, returns. Shiites believe Mahdi’’s return will usher in Armageddon.

In this regard, Ayatollah Khamenei has issued a fatwa in which he has even authorized carrying out primary jihad in the age of the absence of the Hidden imam under the authorization of Vali Faghih.

The article then quotes the Quran (Albaghara 2:191-193): “And slay them wherever ye find them,

In order to attack Iran, the article says, Israel needs the approval and assistance of America, and under the current passive climate in the United States, the opportunity must not be lost to wipe out Israel before it attacks Iran.

Forghani claims that Israel could be destroyed in less than nine minutes and that Khamenei, as utmost authority, the Velayete Faghih (Islamic Jurist), also believes that Israel and America not only must be defeated but annihilated.

The radicals ruling Iran today not only posses over 1,000 ballistic missiles but are on the verge of ICBM delivery and have sufficient enriched uranium for six nuclear bombs even as they continue to highly enrich uranium despite four sets of U.N. sanctions.

The Iranian secret documentary “The Coming Is Upon Us” clearly indicates that these radicals believe the destruction of Israel will trigger the coming of the last Islamic Messiah and that even Jesus Christ, who will convert to Islam, will act as Mahdi’s deputy, praying to Allah as he stands behind the 12th Imam.

I'm convinced that islam is one queer, evil, dangerous death cult.

The nut jobs in Iran must be curtailed when it comes to nuclear power.

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Re: Muslims who support the Taliban
Reply #16 - Jan 30^th, 2019 at 7:39pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 30^th, 2019 at 10:14am:

freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2019 at 3:50pm:

That they would have assisted the US to invade their own country, if the US had only asked them.

Can you answer a simple question FD...

presented with two options:

a) have your regime overthrown by overwhelming military force
b) option B

What do you think even a misogynistic extremist, even-worse-than-Saudi-Arabia outfit like the taliban would have gone for?

take your time...

Are you talking about the Russian invasion of Afghanistan, or the American invasion?

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Re: Muslims who support the Taliban
Reply #18 - Jan 31^st, 2019 at 1:35pm

freediver wrote on Jan 30^th, 2019 at 7:39pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 30^th, 2019 at 10:14am:

freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2019 at 3:50pm:

That they would have assisted the US to invade their own country, if the US had only asked them.

Can you answer a simple question FD...

presented with two options:

a) have your regime overthrown by overwhelming military force
b) option B

What do you think even a misogynistic extremist, even-worse-than-Saudi-Arabia outfit like the taliban would have gone for?

take your time...

Are you talking about the Russian invasion of Afghanistan, or the American invasion?

Why would it be about the Russian one? The taliban didn't exist then.

The American invasion.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Muslims who support the Taliban
Reply #19 - Jan 31^st, 2019 at 9:16pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 31^st, 2019 at 1:35pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 30^th, 2019 at 7:39pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 30^th, 2019 at 10:14am:

freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2019 at 3:50pm:

That they would have assisted the US to invade their own country, if the US had only asked them.

Can you answer a simple question FD...

presented with two options:

a) have your regime overthrown by overwhelming military force
b) option B

What do you think even a misogynistic extremist, even-worse-than-Saudi-Arabia outfit like the taliban would have gone for?

take your time...

Are you talking about the Russian invasion of Afghanistan, or the American invasion?

Why would it be about the Russian one? The taliban didn't exist then.

The American invasion.

I was trying to figure out whether B meant defeating the Russians or trying to drag the US into a quagmire. I guess in both cases it is B. Was that the answer you were looking for?

It reminds me of Abu's talk of an inevitable glorious Muslim victory against insurmountable odds, every time Muslims do something stupid.

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Re: Muslims who support the Taliban
Reply #20 - Jan 31^st, 2019 at 9:32pm

freediver wrote on Jan 31^st, 2019 at 9:16pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 31^st, 2019 at 1:35pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 30^th, 2019 at 7:39pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 30^th, 2019 at 10:14am:

freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2019 at 3:50pm:

That they would have assisted the US to invade their own country, if the US had only asked them.

Can you answer a simple question FD...

presented with two options:

a) have your regime overthrown by overwhelming military force
b) option B

What do you think even a misogynistic extremist, even-worse-than-Saudi-Arabia outfit like the taliban would have gone for?

take your time...

Are you talking about the Russian invasion of Afghanistan, or the American invasion?

Why would it be about the Russian one? The taliban didn't exist then.

The American invasion.

I was trying to figure out whether B meant defeating the Russians or trying to drag the US into a quagmire. I guess in both cases it is B. Was that the answer you were looking for?

It reminds me of Abu's talk of an inevitable glorious Muslim victory against insurmountable odds, every time Muslims do something stupid.

Strange. Didn't you just say exactly that about Saudi Arabia?

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Re: Muslims who support the Taliban
Reply #21 - Feb 7^th, 2019 at 12:32pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 7^th, 2019 at 9:00am:

issuevoter wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 9:47pm:

You make a lot of accusations about Freediver that you say do not require quotes. I am not going to contradict you, because you say I already know these things. However, I would guess an analysis of your post would show you doing exactly what you accuse Freediver of doing.

Fairs fair issue, if FD is allowed to brand me as a taliban apologiser based on me objecting to invasion and indiscriminate bombing that kills 10s of thousands, then K should be allowed to call FD a Saudi apologiser for ridiculing the idea that the Saudi treatment of women is about on par with the taliban treatment of their women.

And then there's you branding me as someone who wants Iran to acquire nukes - after I pointed out that the US's double speak on the issue of nukes (we can have them, but others can't) is hindering efforts at non-proliferation.

All in all, K is on much stronger ground than either of you.

Gandalf, see the opening post for why I accuse you of being a Taliban apologist.

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Re: Muslims who support the Taliban
Reply #22 - Feb 7^th, 2019 at 1:22pm

freediver wrote on Feb 7^th, 2019 at 12:32pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 7^th, 2019 at 9:00am:

issuevoter wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 9:47pm:

You make a lot of accusations about Freediver that you say do not require quotes. I am not going to contradict you, because you say I already know these things. However, I would guess an analysis of your post would show you doing exactly what you accuse Freediver of doing.

Fairs fair issue, if FD is allowed to brand me as a taliban apologiser based on me objecting to invasion and indiscriminate bombing that kills 10s of thousands, then K should be allowed to call FD a Saudi apologiser for ridiculing the idea that the Saudi treatment of women is about on par with the taliban treatment of their women.

And then there's you branding me as someone who wants Iran to acquire nukes - after I pointed out that the US's double speak on the issue of nukes (we can have them, but others can't) is hindering efforts at non-proliferation.

All in all, K is on much stronger ground than either of you.

Gandalf, see the opening post for why I accuse you of being a Taliban apologist.

Put it this way FD, do you agree that invading North Korea and overthrowing the Kim regime and installing democracy would reduce the nuclear threat they pose?

And then when you point out at the same time that this would not be the best course of action in view of the death and destruction it would cause - and that instead we should pursue a non-military course to reduce the threat - you'll have no problem with me labeling you an apologist for the Kim regime right?

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Muslims who support the Taliban
Reply #23 - Feb 7^th, 2019 at 7:17pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 7^th, 2019 at 1:22pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 7^th, 2019 at 12:32pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 7^th, 2019 at 9:00am:

issuevoter wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 9:47pm:

You make a lot of accusations about Freediver that you say do not require quotes. I am not going to contradict you, because you say I already know these things. However, I would guess an analysis of your post would show you doing exactly what you accuse Freediver of doing.

Fairs fair issue, if FD is allowed to brand me as a taliban apologiser based on me objecting to invasion and indiscriminate bombing that kills 10s of thousands, then K should be allowed to call FD a Saudi apologiser for ridiculing the idea that the Saudi treatment of women is about on par with the taliban treatment of their women.

And then there's you branding me as someone who wants Iran to acquire nukes - after I pointed out that the US's double speak on the issue of nukes (we can have them, but others can't) is hindering efforts at non-proliferation.

All in all, K is on much stronger ground than either of you.

Gandalf, see the opening post for why I accuse you of being a Taliban apologist.

Put it this way FD, do you agree that invading North Korea and overthrowing the Kim regime and installing democracy would reduce the nuclear threat they pose?

And then when you point out at the same time that this would not be the best course of action in view of the death and destruction it would cause - and that instead we should pursue a non-military course to reduce the threat - you'll have no problem with me labeling you an apologist for the Kim regime right?

I think North Korea is a prime target for regime change. I think it was you who complained about us meddling in the middle east and using democracy as a justification when there are far worse regimes in Africa. Well, there is a bad one in Asia also. Not that I necessarily disagree on the best course of action.

How is this relevant to all the support you have offered the Taliban? Have you read the opening post yet? You don't seem to have realised why I started this thread.

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Re: Muslims who support the Taliban
Reply #24 - Feb 7^th, 2019 at 7:29pm

freediver wrote on Feb 7^th, 2019 at 7:17pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 7^th, 2019 at 1:22pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 7^th, 2019 at 12:32pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 7^th, 2019 at 9:00am:

issuevoter wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 9:47pm:

You make a lot of accusations about Freediver that you say do not require quotes. I am not going to contradict you, because you say I already know these things. However, I would guess an analysis of your post would show you doing exactly what you accuse Freediver of doing.

Fairs fair issue, if FD is allowed to brand me as a taliban apologiser based on me objecting to invasion and indiscriminate bombing that kills 10s of thousands, then K should be allowed to call FD a Saudi apologiser for ridiculing the idea that the Saudi treatment of women is about on par with the taliban treatment of their women.

And then there's you branding me as someone who wants Iran to acquire nukes - after I pointed out that the US's double speak on the issue of nukes (we can have them, but others can't) is hindering efforts at non-proliferation.

All in all, K is on much stronger ground than either of you.

Gandalf, see the opening post for why I accuse you of being a Taliban apologist.

Put it this way FD, do you agree that invading North Korea and overthrowing the Kim regime and installing democracy would reduce the nuclear threat they pose?

And then when you point out at the same time that this would not be the best course of action in view of the death and destruction it would cause - and that instead we should pursue a non-military course to reduce the threat - you'll have no problem with me labeling you an apologist for the Kim regime right?

I think North Korea is a prime target for regime change. I think it was you who complained about us meddling in the middle east and using democracy as a justification when there are far worse regimes in Africa. Well, there is a bad one in Asia also. Not that I necessarily disagree on the best course of action.

How is this relevant to all the support you have offered the Taliban? Have you read the opening post yet? You don't seem to have realised why I started this thread.

Good point, FD. Do you think North Korea is the next South Korea? How about China?

And why do you think Chairman Trump's making friends with Kim Jong Un and MBK rather than Ali Khamenei?

Islam?

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Reply #26 - Feb 7^th, 2019 at 8:53pm

freediver wrote on Feb 7^th, 2019 at 7:34pm:

I think reuniting Korea would go down similar to reuniting Germany - plenty of economic issues caused by the cultural legacy of communism, but not many head hacking lunatics who actually prefer brutal, corrupt dictatorship to liberal democracy.

The war part would last about 5 minutes, provided China stayed out.

Sure, but how do you rate the cause of liberal democracy in Saudi Arabia, FD?

We'll try a scaling question. On a scale of 1 to 10 with 1 being head hacking lunatics and 10 being liberal democrats, where do you put the Saudis?

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Reply #29 - Feb 8^th, 2019 at 9:13am

freediver wrote on Feb 7^th, 2019 at 9:07pm:

Somewhere near the bottom.

right, so we've found a regime change of a brutal, oppressive regime that you don't support, or at least don't see it as a priority.

And when you make your case for why its "somewhere near the bottom" of your "to do" regime change list, despite being about the most oppressive Islamic regime currently in existence - you are not an apologist for that regime because...?

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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