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Re: Wearing a niqab in court
Reply #45 - Feb 1^st, 2019 at 4:00pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 1^st, 2019 at 3:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 1^st, 2019 at 1:44pm:

People who wear the Niqab are ordinary, everyday, peaceful, Muslims (apart from being in court, of course).

It's the FunDaMental muslim women who wear the niqab, the ordinary everyday ones don't wear it.

These women don't have a choice with wearing hijab in Iran or Saudi Arabia it's the law they have to wear it.

Sorry? I thought we were discussing Australian society, not Iranian or Saudi societies, Baron. How typical of an Islamophobic bigot to move the goalposts, hey? You interrupt a conversation about Australia and Australian Muslims and interject with a comment about Iran or Saudi Arabia. Roll Eyes

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Re: Wearing a niqab in court
Reply #46 - Feb 1^st, 2019 at 4:02pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 1^st, 2019 at 3:56pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 1^st, 2019 at 3:41pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 1^st, 2019 at 3:34pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 1^st, 2019 at 12:39am:

I will remind you that one set of my great-great-grandparents were Jewish, from Germany. Means nothing to me in daily life, but I do feel that fair treatment and fair dealing is the order of the day......

Why are we discussing Jews in a strand about a Muslim wearing a niqab in court - obviously she wasn't wearing one when she stabbed the guy - why is it now important?

So as to appear pious and righteous and penitent? Do a Corby and act out the 'sorry' routine, and play the nun in prison? Get a lighter sentence?

The Torah demands the same head and body covering for women as the Quran, dear. Orthodox Jews also call them burqas.

So I'm curious. Would you like to ban burqas in the Jewish court, Beth Din?

An issue should be judged on its scale.
How many ULTRA Orthodox jews are there in the world compared to fanatical muzzos?

Plus, I've never seen any of my local Saturday walkers wearing one. Never.

And lastly, what happens to an Israeli woman who leaves their orthodox family and sits on a beach in Tel Aviv in a brazzo bikini? Whipped? Stoned?

We're talking about courts here, Gordon, not Saturday Walkers.

The penalty for a woman who blasphemes by leaving Jewry is stoning or setting on fire.

Happens a lot, does it?

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Re: Wearing a niqab in court
Reply #47 - Feb 1^st, 2019 at 8:43pm

Mod. wrote on Feb 1^st, 2019 at 3:21pm:

Fuzzball wrote on Feb 1^st, 2019 at 3:13pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 1^st, 2019 at 2:31pm:

You see women as the enemy, Bobby?

That's interesting.

Do you want to talk about it?

All on here 'see you as an idiot'.....and we couldn't give a cr@p about what you have to say on the subject pessary.......you're a nonentity....

This is where Setanta puts on his jack boots...
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As you should, please refrain from speaking for others in future posts.

Let's see if there is one Rule for Mr Ross and another for you.

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And who are you speaking for now arsewipe?.

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Re: Wearing a niqab in court
Reply #48 - Feb 2^nd, 2019 at 9:38am

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 1^st, 2019 at 1:44pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 31^st, 2019 at 10:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 31^st, 2019 at 8:47pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 31^st, 2019 at 6:31pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 31^st, 2019 at 6:15pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 30^th, 2019 at 12:23am:

What this once-proud nation needs is a dedicated Corps of Silent Soul-less Assassins to dispose of the filth....

Think about it.... no more Australia Day Apartheid marches.... no more Sand Kaffirs holding up cards saying to behead people... no more Africans smashing and robbing.... no more bad politicians.....

Bring On The Righteous Ninja.....

Imagine an Australia Day Apartheid march hit by a Boston Marathon type attack.....

Advocating vigilantism, Graps? Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

No - something much darker and more organised than that.... Shocked

Still vigilantism. What have ordinary, everyday, peaceful, Muslims ever done to deserve what you're advocating? Roll Eyes

Who said anything about ordinary, everyday, peaceful Muslims?

"to dispose of the filth...." as I always say, good people can stay and flourish in peace... but we need to take out the trash....

... and Apartheidists are the lowest form of life.....

Your definition is different to everybody else's, Graps. Why shouldn't we "take you out with the trash..."?

People who wear the Niqab are ordinary, everyday, peaceful, Muslims (apart from being in court, of course).

We live in a Multi-"racial", Multi-Ethnic, Multi-religious and Multicultural society. People won't change just to satisfy your bizarre ideas on how an Australian should look/dress/act/worship.

Who's next after the Muslims, hey? The Jews? Asians? Africans? Indigenous Australians? The Rangas? Where does your vitriol and hatred stop, Graps?

Lay off the bottle is what I recommend. It'll do you the world of good. Reconnect with the rest of society. Become a part of the zeitgeist... Roll Eyes

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Re: Wearing a niqab in court
Reply #49 - Feb 2^nd, 2019 at 9:52am

Karnal wrote on Feb 1^st, 2019 at 3:34pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 1^st, 2019 at 12:39am:

I will remind you that one set of my great-great-grandparents were Jewish, from Germany. Means nothing to me in daily life, but I do feel that fair treatment and fair dealing is the order of the day......

Why are we discussing Jews in a strand about a Muslim wearing a niqab in court - obviously she wasn't wearing one when she stabbed the guy - why is it now important?

So as to appear pious and righteous and penitent? Do a Corby and act out the 'sorry' routine, and play the nun in prison? Get a lighter sentence?

The Torah demands the same head and body covering for women as the Quran, dear. Orthodox Jews also call them burqas.

So I'm curious. Would you like to ban burqas in the Jewish court, Beth Din?

Just like fundamentalist Muslims who make their women wear Burkas ... it's only one sect of Hasidic Jews that make their women wear Burkas ...

they are in Israel only & number only a few hundred.

I haven't seen any of that sect in Australia.

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The Haredi burqa sect (Hebrew: נשות השָאלִים‎, translit. Neshót haShalím, lit. 'Shawl[-wearing] Women'), is a religious group within Haredi Judaism, primarily concentrated in Israel,

Have another go. Roll Eyes

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Re: Wearing a niqab in court
Reply #50 - Feb 2^nd, 2019 at 9:58am

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 1^st, 2019 at 4:00pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 1^st, 2019 at 3:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 1^st, 2019 at 1:44pm:

People who wear the Niqab are ordinary, everyday, peaceful, Muslims (apart from being in court, of course).

It's the FunDaMental muslim women who wear the niqab, the ordinary everyday ones don't wear it.

These women don't have a choice with wearing hijab in Iran or Saudi Arabia it's the law they have to wear it.

Sorry? I thought we were discussing Australian society, not Iranian or Saudi societies, Baron. How typical of an Islamophobic bigot to move the goalposts, hey? You interrupt a conversation about Australia and Australian Muslims and interject with a comment about Iran or Saudi Arabia. Roll Eyes

And there are no Iranians or Saudis in any of the groups of boat people or even legitimate migrants?

You weasel word name calling apologist.

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Re: Wearing a niqab in court
Reply #51 - Feb 2^nd, 2019 at 10:50am

Gnads wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2019 at 9:58am:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 1^st, 2019 at 4:00pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 1^st, 2019 at 3:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 1^st, 2019 at 1:44pm:

People who wear the Niqab are ordinary, everyday, peaceful, Muslims (apart from being in court, of course).

It's the FunDaMental muslim women who wear the niqab, the ordinary everyday ones don't wear it.

These women don't have a choice with wearing hijab in Iran or Saudi Arabia it's the law they have to wear it.

Sorry? I thought we were discussing Australian society, not Iranian or Saudi societies, Baron. How typical of an Islamophobic bigot to move the goalposts, hey? You interrupt a conversation about Australia and Australian Muslims and interject with a comment about Iran or Saudi Arabia. Roll Eyes

And there are no Iranians or Saudis in any of the groups of boat people or even legitimate migrants?

You weasel word name calling apologist.

Boat people are legitimate migrants.

The vast majority of them turn out to be genuine refugees.

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Re: Wearing a niqab in court
Reply #52 - Feb 2^nd, 2019 at 11:11am

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2019 at 10:50am:

Gnads wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2019 at 9:58am:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 1^st, 2019 at 4:00pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 1^st, 2019 at 3:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 1^st, 2019 at 1:44pm:

People who wear the Niqab are ordinary, everyday, peaceful, Muslims (apart from being in court, of course).

It's the FunDaMental muslim women who wear the niqab, the ordinary everyday ones don't wear it.

These women don't have a choice with wearing hijab in Iran or Saudi Arabia it's the law they have to wear it.

Sorry? I thought we were discussing Australian society, not Iranian or Saudi societies, Baron. How typical of an Islamophobic bigot to move the goalposts, hey? You interrupt a conversation about Australia and Australian Muslims and interject with a comment about Iran or Saudi Arabia. Roll Eyes

And there are no Iranians or Saudis in any of the groups of boat people or even legitimate migrants?

You weasel word name calling apologist.

Boat people are legitimate migrants.

The vast majority of them turn out to be genuine refugees.

why did labor re open Manus then??? and somewhere in PNG I believe..

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Re: Wearing a niqab in court
Reply #53 - Feb 2^nd, 2019 at 11:13am

cods wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2019 at 11:11am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2019 at 10:50am:

Gnads wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2019 at 9:58am:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 1^st, 2019 at 4:00pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 1^st, 2019 at 3:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 1^st, 2019 at 1:44pm:

People who wear the Niqab are ordinary, everyday, peaceful, Muslims (apart from being in court, of course).

It's the FunDaMental muslim women who wear the niqab, the ordinary everyday ones don't wear it.

These women don't have a choice with wearing hijab in Iran or Saudi Arabia it's the law they have to wear it.

Sorry? I thought we were discussing Australian society, not Iranian or Saudi societies, Baron. How typical of an Islamophobic bigot to move the goalposts, hey? You interrupt a conversation about Australia and Australian Muslims and interject with a comment about Iran or Saudi Arabia. Roll Eyes

And there are no Iranians or Saudis in any of the groups of boat people or even legitimate migrants?

You weasel word name calling apologist.

Boat people are legitimate migrants.

The vast majority of them turn out to be genuine refugees.

why did labor re open Manus then??? and somewhere in PNG I believe..

That's where the processing is done.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 137280 Gender:	Re: Wearing a niqab in court Reply #54 - Feb 2^nd, 2019 at 11:18am "Whereas the majority of those arriving by boat are refugees,* the majority of those arriving by air are not."* Parliament of Australia - Asylum seekers and refugees: what are the facts?
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Re: Wearing a niqab in court
Reply #55 - Feb 2^nd, 2019 at 11:29am

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2019 at 11:18am:

"Whereas the majority of those arriving by boat are refugees, the majority of those arriving by air are not."

Parliament of Australia - Asylum seekers and refugees: what are the facts?

Spot on..........

There seems to be some confusion over Manus etc - Manus is a holding pen during processing and vetting, same as anywhere similar on mainland Australia - the only real issue is some of the alleged conditions there, and the reality that the LNP made the rule that anyone even positively vetted there would not settle in Australia.

Criminal acts take place in any detention centre, though some jump up and down and make the claim that only on Maniac Island (etc) are their incidents such as child abuse, rape and such... copped me a real hate session on Twitter for stating those simple realities, and was called a Fascist and a Dutton supporter and all - everyone knows how much I despise that man and some others..... but never let realities get in the way of a good argument or a good rant...

Word for today:-

aarghument (n) - a pirate's way of expressing disagreement ....

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Re: Wearing a niqab in court
Reply #56 - Feb 2^nd, 2019 at 2:28pm

Gnads wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2019 at 9:58am:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 1^st, 2019 at 4:00pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 1^st, 2019 at 3:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 1^st, 2019 at 1:44pm:

People who wear the Niqab are ordinary, everyday, peaceful, Muslims (apart from being in court, of course).

It's the FunDaMental muslim women who wear the niqab, the ordinary everyday ones don't wear it.

These women don't have a choice with wearing hijab in Iran or Saudi Arabia it's the law they have to wear it.

Sorry? I thought we were discussing Australian society, not Iranian or Saudi societies, Baron. How typical of an Islamophobic bigot to move the goalposts, hey? You interrupt a conversation about Australia and Australian Muslims and interject with a comment about Iran or Saudi Arabia. Roll Eyes

And there are no Iranians or Saudis in any of the groups of boat people or even legitimate migrants?

You weasel word name calling apologist.

An interesting point. I wasn't aware that Iranians or Saudis who are "in any of the groups of boat people or even legitimate migrants," don't seek to become Australians, Gnads once they arrive in Australia. Funny that, hey? Roll Eyes

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Re: Wearing a niqab in court
Reply #57 - Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 1:46pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2019 at 10:50am:

Gnads wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2019 at 9:58am:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 1^st, 2019 at 4:00pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 1^st, 2019 at 3:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 1^st, 2019 at 1:44pm:

People who wear the Niqab are ordinary, everyday, peaceful, Muslims (apart from being in court, of course).

It's the FunDaMental muslim women who wear the niqab, the ordinary everyday ones don't wear it.

These women don't have a choice with wearing hijab in Iran or Saudi Arabia it's the law they have to wear it.

Sorry? I thought we were discussing Australian society, not Iranian or Saudi societies, Baron. How typical of an Islamophobic bigot to move the goalposts, hey? You interrupt a conversation about Australia and Australian Muslims and interject with a comment about Iran or Saudi Arabia. Roll Eyes

And there are no Iranians or Saudis in any of the groups of boat people or even legitimate migrants?

You weasel word name calling apologist.

Boat people are legitimate migrants.

The vast majority of them turn out to be genuine refugees.

BS

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Re: Wearing a niqab in court
Reply #58 - Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 1:47pm

cods wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2019 at 11:11am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2019 at 10:50am:

Gnads wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2019 at 9:58am:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 1^st, 2019 at 4:00pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 1^st, 2019 at 3:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 1^st, 2019 at 1:44pm:

People who wear the Niqab are ordinary, everyday, peaceful, Muslims (apart from being in court, of course).

It's the FunDaMental muslim women who wear the niqab, the ordinary everyday ones don't wear it.

These women don't have a choice with wearing hijab in Iran or Saudi Arabia it's the law they have to wear it.

Sorry? I thought we were discussing Australian society, not Iranian or Saudi societies, Baron. How typical of an Islamophobic bigot to move the goalposts, hey? You interrupt a conversation about Australia and Australian Muslims and interject with a comment about Iran or Saudi Arabia. Roll Eyes

And there are no Iranians or Saudis in any of the groups of boat people or even legitimate migrants?

You weasel word name calling apologist.

Boat people are legitimate migrants.

The vast majority of them turn out to be genuine refugees.

why did labor re open Manus then??? and somewhere in PNG I believe..

Manus is PNG Roll Eyes

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Re: Wearing a niqab in court
Reply #59 - Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 1:49pm

Gnads wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 1:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2019 at 10:50am:

Gnads wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2019 at 9:58am:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 1^st, 2019 at 4:00pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 1^st, 2019 at 3:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 1^st, 2019 at 1:44pm:

People who wear the Niqab are ordinary, everyday, peaceful, Muslims (apart from being in court, of course).

It's the FunDaMental muslim women who wear the niqab, the ordinary everyday ones don't wear it.

These women don't have a choice with wearing hijab in Iran or Saudi Arabia it's the law they have to wear it.

Sorry? I thought we were discussing Australian society, not Iranian or Saudi societies, Baron. How typical of an Islamophobic bigot to move the goalposts, hey? You interrupt a conversation about Australia and Australian Muslims and interject with a comment about Iran or Saudi Arabia. Roll Eyes

And there are no Iranians or Saudis in any of the groups of boat people or even legitimate migrants?

You weasel word name calling apologist.

Boat people are legitimate migrants.

The vast majority of them turn out to be genuine refugees.

BS

No, it's an indisputable fact.

"Whereas the majority of those arriving by boat are refugees, the majority of those arriving by air are not."

Parliament of Australia - Asylum seekers and refugees: what are the facts?

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