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Reply #15 - Feb 6^th, 2019 at 3:04am

Retail sales down as pay packets outpaced by living costs
5 February 2019
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Working people’s pay packets aren’t covering increases in key living costs, and retailers are copping the consequences. Sad

That’s the lesson to be taken from new figures released by the ABS today which show a 0.4 percent contraction in retail sales figures for December 2018.

Five years of near-record low wage growth means that working people aren’t spending money in their communities and small and medium business owners are worse off as a result.

After five years of the Abbott/Turnbull/Morrison Government people are carrying more debt, they have less in savings and the most families are stretched paying the bills.

We need to change the rules so working people can negotiate fair pay rises that stay ahead of living costs on an even playing field with big business.

Quotes attributable to ACTU Secretary Sally McManus:

“These latest figures prove that Australia needs a pay rise.

“Working people are not get getting the fair pay rises we need to stay ahead of key living costs like electricity, housing, gas and fuel. People are eating into their savings to cover their basic living costs.

“As a result, people don’t have the money left over to spend on anything extra. If we had fair pay rises that money would have been spent in local shops, department stores and shopping centres.

“One thing is for sure – if we do not improve working people’s rights Australians will not get the pay rises we need.”

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Reply #16 - Feb 6^th, 2019 at 5:39am

"What is the climate supposed to change into?

In 2015 CSIRO and BoM released a technical report based on climate projections. (Moise et al)

      Table 1. Projected average number of hot days (Tmax >35°C)
      for Broome, with 10th and 90th percentile values shown in brackets
            (CSIRO and Bureau of Meteorology, 2015)

                                 2030                      2090                2090                2090
                                 RCP4.5                RCP2.6             RCP4.5             RCP8.5
Broome                87 (72-111)       95 (70-154)    133 (94-204)       231 (173-282)

The temperature records for Broome are publicly available through the Bureau of Meteorology website. The highest 20-year centred average number of hot days recorded for Broome since 1910 is 63.9 for the years 1944-1963 (centred on 1954) and the annual hot day totals have fluctuated from a high of 90 in 1945 to a low of 20 in 2000. In the most recent year, 2018, there was a total of 55 hot days for Broome, which coincidently happens to be midway between these two extremes."

Dr B Basil Beamish

So there is plenty of variation before ClimateChange/AGW. We only have to wait 11 years to see if it changes dramatically. And that is only at RCP 4.5 not the most touted RCP 8.5 often mistakenly called Business as usual model."

Mixing local weather events with climate change is not how it works as climate scientist will agree ... such data is used by skeptics to throw a red herring at what most people actually are aware of its the climate that's changing, weather is variable, as can be seen with overall record temps which is getting warmer.

In Australia its currently record drought, record floods, record weather extremes...we don't have to wait 11 years to see that is happening just so that the coal industry can maintain its profits, (which is the primary objective of coalition skeptics),... climate change is most evident now and the planet is fast running out of time to avert deadly and disastrous climate change , the human race cannot afford to wait another 11 years twiddling thumbs over the issue.

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crocodile Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6683 Gender:	Re: Retail And Car Sales Hit The Wall Reply #17 - Feb 6^th, 2019 at 6:12am lee wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:48pm: Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:35pm: Who are the countries world wide in debt too? Too hard for you? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt Enlighten us then.
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Reply #18 - Feb 6^th, 2019 at 7:58am

Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:35pm:

lee wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 6:40pm:

Gnads wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 5:56pm:

. The Australian Banking Association is a farging Union ....

More like a cartel. Wink

A cartel that controls the union of what we know as "the federal government".

Who are the countries world wide in debt too?

I laugh at people who go off about workers unions. Totally blind to all other unions......because they have a different name. Grin

Exactly.

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Reply #19 - Feb 6^th, 2019 at 8:54am

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Re: Retail And Car Sales Hit The Wall
Reply #21 - Feb 6^th, 2019 at 9:00am

Gnads wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 5:59pm:

All of our cars are over priced ....

far too much import duty & stamp duty adding to over inflated cost.

Now that there are no cars made in Australia all cars should be free of those duties and only GST should apply.

Ah - so there ARE tariffs in place....... oh, well, something has to balance the de facto tariffs in place in low wage countries... not to mention the Chinese direct tariff of 15% on imports... it seems that those who run the poorest nations and one of the richest can make their own rules ...... the rest just sign free trade agreements and sell off the farm and furniture.....

We need a local manufacturer....

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Reply #22 - Feb 6^th, 2019 at 1:01pm

Pedro Curevo wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 5:39am:

Mixing local weather events with climate change is not how it works as climate scientist will agree ...

And yet that is precisely what Moise et al 2015 did, as reported by BoM and CSIRO. That is the use of the RCP's, it is models. The attendant number of hot days. The RCP's are solely to do with climate change.

Moise et al 2015 says, according to RCP4.5, by 2030 that days/year that exceed 35C will rise to an average of 87 from 56. That's an average over 20 years of an increase of 31days/year.

The data they used is ACORN-SAT at BoM. You can download the data for Broome from there. January 1 2011 to December 31 2018. Then tell us the current state of play and how many days /year it will have to rise over the next 11 years to get to an average of 87 days/year for the 20 year period..

Pedro Curevo wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 5:39am:

In Australia its currently record drought, record floods, record weather extremes...we don't have to wait 11 years to see that is happening just so that the coal industry can maintain its profits, (which is the primary objective of coalition skeptics),.

Now all you have to do is link the climate change to CO2, not using models.

Pedro Curevo wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 5:39am:

climate change is most evident now and the planet is fast running out of time to avert deadly and disastrous climate change , the human race cannot afford to wait another 11 years twiddling thumbs over the issue.

So perhaps you can tell us with great certainty when climate didn't change? What is the "normal" temperature of the earth?

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Reply #23 - Feb 6^th, 2019 at 1:03pm

crocodile wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 6:12am:

lee wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:48pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:35pm:

Who are the countries world wide in debt too?

Too hard for you?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt

Enlighten us then.

You did note "too"? Meaning also; not "to" meaning to whom is it owed?

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Reply #24 - Feb 7^th, 2019 at 8:21am

lee wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 1:03pm:

crocodile wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 6:12am:

lee wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:48pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:35pm:

Who are the countries world wide in debt too?

Too hard for you?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt

Enlighten us then.

You did note "too"? Meaning also; not "to" meaning to whom is it owed?

Jeezuz. Get a life ya freak. I wasn't being nasty towards you.
I have no problem admitting I am semi illiterate. But tbh that is my phones auto correct due to a slip of the finger.
Can you admit you pick on people with a disorder? Maybe you believe you're better than someone with a disorder.

Oh....to make it easier for you....
When a government issues a bond, where does the money come from?

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Reply #25 - Feb 7^th, 2019 at 8:54am

Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 7^th, 2019 at 8:21am:

lee wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 1:03pm:

crocodile wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 6:12am:

lee wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:48pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:35pm:

Who are the countries world wide in debt too?

Too hard for you?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt

Enlighten us then.

You did note "too"? Meaning also; not "to" meaning to whom is it owed?

Jeezuz. Get a life ya freak. I wasn't being nasty towards you.
I have no problem admitting I am semi illiterate. But tbh that is my phones auto correct due to a slip of the finger.
Can you admit you pick on people with a disorder? Maybe you believe you're better than someone with a disorder.

Oh....to make it easier for you....
When a government issues a bond, where does the money come from?

Ain't no money - it's a promise against future money...... buy now, let me invest in the nation, and one day you'll get it back with interest. Sort of like shareholding only with a government guarantee... oh ... wait a minute... governments bend over backwards to protect industry and shareholders, offering countless concessions for investing in the future of the nation and even bail outs of failing businesses etc...

Hardly applicable to a 'global economy'.

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Reply #26 - Feb 7^th, 2019 at 9:20am

Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 7^th, 2019 at 8:21am:

lee wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 1:03pm:

crocodile wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 6:12am:

lee wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:48pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:35pm:

Who are the countries world wide in debt too?

Too hard for you?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt

Enlighten us then.

You did note "too"? Meaning also; not "to" meaning to whom is it owed?

Jeezuz. Get a life ya freak. I wasn't being nasty towards you.
I have no problem admitting I am semi illiterate. But tbh that is my phones auto correct due to a slip of the finger.
Can you admit you pick on people with a disorder? Maybe you believe you're better than someone with a disorder.

Oh....to make it easier for you....
When a government issues a bond, where does the money come from?

The purchaser of the bond has their account debited. Doesn't mean that folding green stuff changes hands.

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Very funny Scotty, now beam down my clothes.

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Re: Retail And Car Sales Hit The Wall
Reply #27 - Feb 7^th, 2019 at 9:23am

lee wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 1:03pm:

crocodile wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 6:12am:

lee wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:48pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:35pm:

Who are the countries world wide in debt too?

Too hard for you?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt

Enlighten us then.

You did note "too"? Meaning also; not "to" meaning to whom is it owed?

I was asking for enlightenment rather than a spelling lesson that I don't need. Is there any real point in highlighting gross debt obligations of the world's nations.

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Very funny Scotty, now beam down my clothes.

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Re: Retail And Car Sales Hit The Wall
Reply #28 - Feb 7^th, 2019 at 9:25am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 7^th, 2019 at 8:54am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 7^th, 2019 at 8:21am:

lee wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 1:03pm:

crocodile wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 6:12am:

lee wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:48pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:35pm:

Who are the countries world wide in debt too?

Too hard for you?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt

Enlighten us then.

You did note "too"? Meaning also; not "to" meaning to whom is it owed?

Jeezuz. Get a life ya freak. I wasn't being nasty towards you.
I have no problem admitting I am semi illiterate. But tbh that is my phones auto correct due to a slip of the finger.
Can you admit you pick on people with a disorder? Maybe you believe you're better than someone with a disorder.

Oh....to make it easier for you....
When a government issues a bond, where does the money come from?

Ain't no money - it's a promise against future money...... buy now, let me invest in the nation, and one day you'll get it back with interest. Sort of like shareholding only with a government guarantee... oh ... wait a minute... governments bend over backwards to protect industry and shareholders, offering countless concessions for investing in the future of the nation and even bail outs of failing businesses etc...

Hardly applicable to a 'global economy'.

What a load of waffle.

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Very funny Scotty, now beam down my clothes.

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Re: Retail And Car Sales Hit The Wall
Reply #29 - Feb 7^th, 2019 at 10:52am

crocodile wrote on Feb 7^th, 2019 at 9:25am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 7^th, 2019 at 8:54am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 7^th, 2019 at 8:21am:

lee wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 1:03pm:

crocodile wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 6:12am:

lee wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:48pm:

Captain Caveman wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:35pm:

Who are the countries world wide in debt too?

Too hard for you?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt

Enlighten us then.

You did note "too"? Meaning also; not "to" meaning to whom is it owed?

Jeezuz. Get a life ya freak. I wasn't being nasty towards you.
I have no problem admitting I am semi illiterate. But tbh that is my phones auto correct due to a slip of the finger.
Can you admit you pick on people with a disorder? Maybe you believe you're better than someone with a disorder.

Oh....to make it easier for you....
When a government issues a bond, where does the money come from?

Ain't no money - it's a promise against future money...... buy now, let me invest in the nation, and one day you'll get it back with interest. Sort of like shareholding only with a government guarantee... oh ... wait a minute... governments bend over backwards to protect industry and shareholders, offering countless concessions for investing in the future of the nation and even bail outs of failing businesses etc...

Hardly applicable to a 'global economy'.

What a load of waffle.

What a clear outlining of the reality of a government bond. Grin

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