Panther wrote on Feb 21^st, 2019 at 2:19pm:


National Emergency Powers are not constitutionally granted, they the result of a federal law.  He is exploiting that law, because there is no emergency.

Not a single statistic supports his claims.  These are not "fake news" statistics, these are released either by the Government Agencies or the Whitehouse themselves.

To continue claiming that there is an emergency, when there isn't, to get funding for a wall, that even if there WAS an emergency, would not do a thing to alleviate it, is exploiting the National Emergency laws, or more specifically the NEA.

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The constitution states that,

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

There was bipartisan negotiation in the Congress about the funding for the wall post the shutdown.  An agreement was reached.  It was only after this agreement was reached, and Trump didn't like the outcome, that he declared the National Emergency.

He's bypassing Congress to get his funding.  As the constitution makes it clear that Congress is the only body who can approve spending of funds raised via taxation, in bypassing them, Trump has bypassed the constitution.

He said the same about Obama when he used these same powers, although under different circumstances,



It is almost scary how Trump is doing literally what he complained about Obama doing.

AND, not only that, he even said on his announcement that he doesn't need to declare an emergency, he's just doing it to get the money faster.

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You Panther have made it clear in the gun debate, that anyone who wants to infringe on the constitutionally granted rights of the people by advocating for keeping assault rifles and weapons of war out of the hands of civilians are disrespecting the constitution, the founding fathers, the people and the country.

Trump isn't talking about subverting the constitution, he's actively trying to do so.  Given the reasons why, detailed able, but in shorthand, to save himself from the political embarrassment of his failures, not an actual emergency, but to pacify his ego, that is the hight of disrespect to the people, the constitution and the country.

It's very simple, what Trump is doing vs what he says he's doing, as usual, are not the same.

He claims there is an emergency when there is no evidence to support there is.

He claims his fictional emergency is because of x, y & z, yet his solution he's seeking funding for in bypassing Congress, the wall, will not help with x, y & z.

He had 2+ years to get funding for the wall and get construction started but he strung it along as an election issue for the midterms, the Dems and more so the people, called his bluff, he lost his majority in the House and now has to negotiate with the Democrats.

This should be a piece of cake, this is Trump but as we've quickly learned, he can't negotiate his way out of a paper bag unless he is holding all the cards or can use legal threats to force the hand of those at the table.  Without that unlosable position, he's simply can't succeed. 

He went from $25billion in funding via his amazing negotiating skills down to 55 miles of fence and all he had to do was shut down the Government ruining countless lives in the process, and shutting down the very agencies (among others) whose role it is to protect the people in many of the areas he is now claiming, against all the facts and figures, that now the cause for a National Emergency.

All of this because he's failed at every other attempt to get funding for the wall, that is now a fence, that Mexico was meant to pay for, literally.

These are the facts.  Trump has failed in the most spectacular of ways.

And now he, and the mouth breathers who only trust what he says and don't bother to fact check (present company included), now chant "Finish the Wall" as if constructions has started.

Panther, Trump could not have failed more completely than he has on this topic, the cornerstone of his campaign and Presidency.  And now because of said failure, he's had to take the nuclear option of declaring a National Emergency where none exists, when this is one of the few examples where there is clear and freely available evidence that disproves that claim of an emergency in the most complete and unquestionable way.

He sucks at politics almost as much as he sucks at negotiation and running businesses and now there are no legal battles he can mount to silence people who know the truth, because WE ALL KNOW!

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 21^st, 2019 at 2:49pm:



Panther is just a coward. Not that anyone is surprised.

SadKangaroo wrote on Feb 21^st, 2019 at 4:03pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Feb 21^st, 2019 at 5:10pm:

Oh, Panther, you can't possibly overcome Sad on this topic. He's smarter than you, more articulate and persuasive than you, and he doesn't need to use italics to make a point.

Mr Trump has already set the standard in his Tweet about Obama, not to mention acknowledging he never wanted to go down this route. He held the government to ransom for a month to avoid just this.

If I was you, I'd agree. No reservations, no conditions, nothing. That's what you do when someone is right.

The only response to Sad's posts here is a standing ovation.

Richdude wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2019 at 12:59am:


Thanks for the glowing review

I wouldn't expect some like who posts lies and fake news as much you to be able to comprehend posts longer than your average tweet anyway

But it's nice to know that I'm right over the target with my posts, so much so that it leaves you no right of reply other than to pretend they don't make sense.

It actually is a glowing review, thanks!