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Feb 18th, 2019 at 9:06pm
 
I know there are people who think Sonia Kruger is little better than a Nazi, but they are not quite brave enough to say she looks like one, or point to her German heritage. We all know they are thinking just that. It's because she used the “M” word in conjunction with immigration policy. She suggested that terrorism, like that in France, is related to Islam and the number of Muzlims in the population. An article in the Weekend Australian brings the issue up to date. It is surprisingly matter-of-fact, considering the way journalists like to colour their reporting with their own opinion.

Kruger was accused of racially vilifying all Muzlims, by a Muzlim, Mr. Ekermawi. That's not surprising. That the NSW government took it seriously, is surprising, though. So they sicked their watch dog, the Civil and Administrative Tribunal, onto Kruger.

Kruger's remarks came shortly after a Muzlim fanatic squashed 86 people to death, with a truck on the national holiday in France. Ultimately, the tribunal ruled Kruger had not been racist, on what they saw as a technicality. Islam is not a race. They could not, in all honesty, condemn her on the accusation. So, they admonished her by telling her she should have focused her concern on “greater security checking.” What a bunch of dirt bags. Here we have a woman who knew what she was saying would have repercussions on here career, and they did not even have the nerve to address the reality of the problem. It can be inferred from the Tribunal's statements, that the number of Islamic terrorist incidents in France have nothing to do with the density of the Muzlim population. That's what we pay taxes for?
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Reply #1 - Feb 18th, 2019 at 9:15pm
 
Looks likeit was a paper tiger, albeit a very expensive one:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonia_Kruger

A racial vilification complaint against Kruger was made to the Civil and Administrative Tribunal over her statement about Muslim immigration. Nine Network applied to have the complaint dismissed without a hearing, but this was refused. The complaint was made by Sam Ekermawi. The tribunal heard that Ekermawi had been involved in thirty-two hearings before courts and tribunals. The matter would proceed for directions in June 2018.

https://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/sonia-kruger-vilified-muslims-in-today-show-segment-20190215-p50y11.html

Sonia Kruger 'vilified' Muslims in Today show segment

Sonia Kruger vilified Muslim people when she called for Australia to close its borders to those of the Islamic faith during a segment on the Today show, but did not engage in racial vilification because Muslim people living in Australia are not a race, a tribunal has found.

In a decision on Friday, the NSW Civil and Administrative Tribunal said Kruger's"vilifying remarks" in July 2016 "amounted to a stereotypical attack on all Muslims in Australia" and had the capacity to "encourage hatred towards, or serious contempt for, Australian Muslims by ordinary members of the Australian population".

However, the racial vilification complaint filed by Australian Muslim man Sam Ekermawi was dismissed by the tribunal because "the evidence does not support a finding that Muslims living in Australia are a ‘race’ by reason of a common ethnic or ethno-religious origin".

"Apart from that issue, we would have found that both [Kruger and the Nine Network] engaged in racial vilification of the Australian Muslim community, being Muslims living in Australia," the tribunal said.

Kruger, the co-host of Channel Nine's Today Extra program, left her fellow presenter David Campbell and Today host Lisa Wilkinson, now at Network Ten, visibly discomfited on July 18, 2016, after she said she would like to see the immigration of Muslims to Australia "stopped now ... because I would like to feel safe".

Her comments followed a terrorist attack in Nice on Bastille Day and were a response to a column by conservative commentator Andrew Bolt, who wrote in the News Corp press that jihadist terrorists had made France "Europe's bloodiest battlefield" because "France let in the most Muslims".

"We are fools not to change our own immigration policies to protect ourselves," Bolt said.

Kruger said on air: "Personally I think Andrew Bolt has a point here that there is a correlation between the number of Muslims in a country and the number of terrorist attacks."

The former Dancing With The Stars host added she had "a lot of friends who are Muslim who are peace-loving, who are beautiful people, but there are fanatics".

She said Japan had a population of 174 million – inflating its population count by almost 50 million people – including 100,000 Muslims, and "you never hear of terrorist attacks in Japan".

"Personally I would like to see it [the immigration of Muslims] stopped now for Australia because I would like to feel safe as all of our citizens do when they go out to celebrate Australia Day and I'd like to see freedom of speech," Kruger said.

The tribunal said Kruger's comments were "calm and measured" and she "made it clear she did not think every Muslim in Australia or overseas was a fanatic", but taken in context her comments were likely to encourage or incite "feelings of hatred towards, or serious contempt for, Australian Muslims as a whole" by linking them to terrorist attacks.

It accepted that Kruger and Nine were "acting in good faith without malice and not for an improper purpose" but said it "cannot accept that the remarks of Ms Kruger were 'reasonable'".

"She expressed the view that the size of Australia’s Muslim population meant there should be no further Muslim migration irrespective of any other matter. This appears to be unsupported by any evidence or material placed before the Tribunal," the tribunal said.

Bilal Rauf, spokesman for the Australian National Imams Council, said the tribunal had recognised the "gravity and irresponsible nature of Ms Kruger's comments" and "such conduct and comments directed at any segment of our diverse society, particularly by a person with a public platform and profile, should be rejected and strongly discouraged".

But Mr Rauf said the decision to dismiss the proceedings pointed to a "serious deficiency" in NSW's Anti-Discrimination Act and "it would appear that discrimination on the grounds of religion is not prohibited".

"ANIC calls on the government to closely consider this issue and take steps to bring the important anti-discrimination laws up to date," Mr Rauf said.

In an impassioned retort after Kruger's on-air comments, her co-host David Campbell said: "This breeds hate. This sort of article breeds hate."

Wilkinson interjected that "in fact the very first person who was killed [in the Nice terror attack] ... was a Muslim woman so it's killing Muslims, it's indiscriminate".

"Just to clarify, Sonia, are you saying you would like our borders closed to Muslims at this point?" Wilkinson said.

Kruger replied: "Yes I would."

Wilkinson added that this was the " Donald Trump approach".
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Reply #2 - Feb 18th, 2019 at 10:26pm
 
The cowardice in the Western world is monumental, and the Muzlims take advantage or it.
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Reply #3 - Feb 18th, 2019 at 10:28pm
 
I think Sonia is a downright spunk of a woman and like Trump - she just calls a spade a spade. Hard to find people so up front and honest these days upon world issues.
Millions of experts on everything still dodge to admit that its the over-population of the poor and the over-indulgence of the few rich that is to blame for the problems of the world.
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Reply #4 - Feb 18th, 2019 at 11:00pm
 
If only there were more Sonia's, at least they haven't sacked her and that boils down to ratings, more will be encouraged to follow in her footsteps without fear of the dreaded R and B words (racist bigot) being cast upon them.
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Reply #5 - Feb 18th, 2019 at 11:11pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 18th, 2019 at 9:15pm:
A racial vilification complaint against Kruger was made to the Civil and Administrative Tribunal over her statement about Muslim immigration. Nine Network applied to have the complaint dismissed without a hearing, but this was refused. The complaint was made by Sam Ekermawi. The tribunal heard that Ekermawi had been involved in thirty-two hearings before courts and tribunals. The matter would proceed for directions in June 2018.

https://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/sonia-kruger-vilified-muslims-in-today-show-segment-20190215-p50y11.html

Sonia Kruger 'vilified' Muslims in Today show segment

Sonia Kruger vilified Muslim people when she called for Australia to close its borders to those of the Islamic faith during a segment on the Today show, but did not engage in racial vilification because Muslim people living in Australia are not a race, a tribunal has found.

In a decision on Friday, the NSW Civil and Administrative Tribunal said Kruger's"vilifying remarks" in July 2016 "amounted to a stereotypical attack on all Muslims in Australia" and had the capacity to "encourage hatred towards, or serious contempt for, Australian Muslims by ordinary members of the Australian population".

However, the racial vilification complaint filed by Australian Muslim man Sam Ekermawi was dismissed by the tribunal because "the evidence does not support a finding that Muslims living in Australia are a ‘race’ by reason of a common ethnic or ethno-religious origin".

"Apart from that issue, we would have found that both [Kruger and the Nine Network] engaged in racial vilification of the Australian Muslim community, being Muslims living in Australia," the tribunal said.


Kruger, the co-host of Channel Nine's Today Extra program, left her fellow presenter David Campbell and Today host Lisa Wilkinson, now at Network Ten, visibly discomfited on July 18, 2016, after she said she would like to see the immigration of Muslims to Australia "stopped now ... because I would like to feel safe".

Her comments followed a terrorist attack in Nice on Bastille Day and were a response to a column by conservative commentator Andrew Bolt, who wrote in the News Corp press that jihadist terrorists had made France "Europe's bloodiest battlefield" because "France let in the most Muslims".

"We are fools not to change our own immigration policies to protect ourselves," Bolt said.

Kruger said on air: "Personally I think Andrew Bolt has a point here that there is a correlation between the number of Muslims in a country and the number of terrorist attacks."

The former Dancing With The Stars host added she had "a lot of friends who are Muslim who are peace-loving, who are beautiful people, but there are fanatics".

She said Japan had a population of 174 million – inflating its population count by almost 50 million people – including 100,000 Muslims, and "you never hear of terrorist attacks in Japan".

"Personally I would like to see it [the immigration of Muslims] stopped now for Australia because I would like to feel safe as all of our citizens do when they go out to celebrate Australia Day and I'd like to see freedom of speech," Kruger said.

The tribunal said Kruger's comments were "calm and measured" and she "made it clear she did not think every Muslim in Australia or overseas was a fanatic", but taken in context her comments were likely to encourage or incite "feelings of hatred towards, or serious contempt for, Australian Muslims as a whole" by linking them to terrorist attacks.

It accepted that Kruger and Nine were "acting in good faith without malice and not for an improper purpose" but said it "cannot accept that the remarks of Ms Kruger were 'reasonable'".

"She expressed the view that the size of Australia’s Muslim population meant there should be no further Muslim migration irrespective of any other matter. This appears to be unsupported by any evidence or material placed before the Tribunal," the tribunal said.

Bilal Rauf, spokesman for the Australian National Imams Council, said the tribunal had recognised the "gravity and irresponsible nature of Ms Kruger's comments" and "such conduct and comments directed at any segment of our diverse society, particularly by a person with a public platform and profile, should be rejected and strongly discouraged".

But Mr Rauf said the decision to dismiss the proceedings pointed to a "serious deficiency" in NSW's Anti-Discrimination Act and "it would appear that discrimination on the grounds of religion is not prohibited".

"ANIC calls on the government to closely consider this issue and take steps to bring the important anti-discrimination laws up to date," Mr Rauf said.

In an impassioned retort after Kruger's on-air comments, her co-host David Campbell said: "This breeds hate. This sort of article breeds hate."

Wilkinson interjected that "in fact the very first person who was killed [in the Nice terror attack] ... was a Muslim woman so it's killing Muslims, it's indiscriminate".

"Just to clarify, Sonia, are you saying you would like our borders closed to Muslims at this point?" Wilkinson said.

Kruger replied: "Yes I would."

Wilkinson added that this was the " Donald Trump approach".


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Reply #6 - Feb 19th, 2019 at 9:25am
 
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"She expressed the view that the size of Australia’s Muslim population meant there should be no further Muslim migration irrespective of any other matter. This appears to be unsupported by any evidence or material placed before the Tribunal," the tribunal said.


Once again we see a judgement of vilification being based on making statements unsupported by any evidence. I think this is a correct way to judge whether or not something is vilification. If you make a blanket statement like the more muslims = more chance of terror, without any evidence to back that up, or any consideration of any other factors, then I agree this is reasonable grounds to label it vilification of muslims.
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Reply #7 - Feb 19th, 2019 at 9:31am
 
We not only need a muslim immigration ban, we need a muslim export scheme.
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Reply #8 - Feb 19th, 2019 at 9:41am
 
seems impractical to me Gordon. How would you implement either or both?
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Reply #9 - Feb 19th, 2019 at 12:09pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 19th, 2019 at 9:25am:
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"She expressed the view that the size of Australia’s Muslim population meant there should be no further Muslim migration irrespective of any other matter. This appears to be unsupported by any evidence or material placed before the Tribunal," the tribunal said.


Once again we see a judgement of vilification being based on making statements unsupported by any evidence. I think this is a correct way to judge whether or not something is vilification. If you make a blanket statement like the more muslims = more chance of terror, without any evidence to back that up, or any consideration of any other factors, then I agree this is reasonable grounds to label it vilification of muslims.


As far as I can tell the tribunal made no adverse findings. They threw the case out.
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Reply #10 - Feb 19th, 2019 at 12:47pm
 
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Sonia Kruger vilified Muslim people when she called for Australia to close its borders to those of the Islamic faith during a segment on the Today show, but did not engage in racial vilification because Muslim people living in Australia are not a race, a tribunal has found.
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Reply #11 - Feb 19th, 2019 at 12:53pm
 
the case against racial vilification was thrown out, but was still found to be vilification.

And yet it made this strange remark...

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the racial vilification complaint filed by Australian Muslim man Sam Ekermawi was dismissed by the tribunal because "the evidence does not support a finding that Muslims living in Australia are a ‘race’ by reason of a common ethnic or ethno-religious origin".

"Apart from that issue, we would have found that both [Kruger and the Nine Network] engaged in racial vilification of the Australian Muslim community, being Muslims living in Australia," the tribunal said.


not sure exactly how to interpret that - "apart from the fact that it wasn't racist, we would have otherwise found it racist"?  Undecided
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Reply #12 - Feb 19th, 2019 at 9:39pm
 
What they mean is, had she said that about black people, it would have been racial vilification. But she said it about Muslim people. Islam is not a race. Vilifying Muslims is no different from vilifying Nazis, in the eyes of the law.
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Reply #13 - Feb 20th, 2019 at 10:49am
 
Are you saying that the Civil and Administration Tribunal would have made a ruling of vilification if some nazi had complained about someone equating increased nazi number with increased violence?

Is it even legal to be a nazi?
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Reply #14 - Feb 20th, 2019 at 11:31am
 
I am not aware of it being illegal. The only legal issue is denying the holocaust, which that guy from Adelaide got thrown in jail for. Gassing Jews would probably also get you into trouble.

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Are you saying that the Civil and Administration Tribunal would have made a ruling of vilification if some nazi had complained about someone equating increased nazi number with increased violence?


I am saying that Nazi would be out of luck, just as it appears the Muslim was in this case. Unless you think being accused of vilification is a form of punishment, in which case Brian Ross would be the most feared person in Australia.
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