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Re: They promise an egalitarian Utopia
Reply #15 - Aug 28th, 2019 at 7:28am
 
Yadda wrote on Aug 27th, 2019 at 8:46pm:


@ Reply #11,      and @ Reply #12,

Is that the best that ya got ?


Water off a ducks back.








Why bother reading when you can't format correctly.
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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)
 
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Re: They promise an egalitarian Utopia
Reply #16 - Aug 28th, 2019 at 11:00am
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 28th, 2019 at 7:28am:
Yadda wrote on Aug 27th, 2019 at 8:46pm:


@ Reply #11,      and @ Reply #12,

Is that the best that ya got ?


Water off a ducks back.








Why bother reading when you can't format correctly.






Socialists.    !!!!



No matter what format you would present information to them in,
if they didn't like the message, they will always 'shoot the messenger.'

You know its true !



Socialists are all intellectuals.



And intellectuals don't 'care' to listen to anything, to any idea, which they disagree with ideologically.

You know its true !



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"If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear."
- George Orwell


"The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it."
- George Orwell


"England is perhaps the only great country whose intellectuals are ashamed of their own nationality."
- George Orwell


"I consider that willingness to criticize Russia and Stalin is the test of intellectual honesty."
- George Orwell, to his friend John Middleton Murry, a wartime pacifist


"Nothing is gained by teaching a parrot a new word. What is needed is the right to print what one believes to be true, without having to fear bullying or blackmail from any side."
- George Orwell
ideology vs. truth


"To admit that an opponent might be both honest and intelligent is felt to be intolerable.
It is more immediately satisfying to shout that he is a fool or a scoundrel, or both, than to find out what he is really like."
- George Orwell


"Pacifism is objectively pro-fascist.
This is elementary common sense.
If you hamper the war effort of one side, you automatically help out that of the other.
Nor is there any real way of remaining outside such a war as the present one.
In practice, 'he that is not with me is against me."
- George Orwell.






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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Re: They promise an egalitarian Utopia
Reply #17 - Aug 28th, 2019 at 11:05am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 27th, 2019 at 6:23pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 27th, 2019 at 12:17pm:
So much poorly formatted crap.


Ironically, it is how conspiracy theorists ALWAYS format their material. IN fact, you can tell it a mile way without even reading it. They might as well literally write in crayon and display it like yadda does.


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Re: They promise an egalitarian Utopia
Reply #18 - Aug 28th, 2019 at 11:52am
 
Yadda wrote on Aug 28th, 2019 at 11:00am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 28th, 2019 at 7:28am:
Yadda wrote on Aug 27th, 2019 at 8:46pm:


@ Reply #11,      and @ Reply #12,

Is that the best that ya got ?


Water off a ducks back.








Why bother reading when you can't format correctly.






Socialists.    !!!!



No matter what format you would present information to them in,
if they didn't like the message, they will always 'shoot the messenger.'

You know its true !



Socialists are all intellectuals.



And intellectuals don't 'care' to listen to anything, to any idea, which they disagree with ideologically.

You know its true !



.




"If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear."
- George Orwell


"The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it."
- George Orwell


"England is perhaps the only great country whose intellectuals are ashamed of their own nationality."
- George Orwell


"I consider that willingness to criticize Russia and Stalin is the test of intellectual honesty."
- George Orwell, to his friend John Middleton Murry, a wartime pacifist


"Nothing is gained by teaching a parrot a new word. What is needed is the right to print what one believes to be true, without having to fear bullying or blackmail from any side."
- George Orwell
ideology vs. truth


"To admit that an opponent might be both honest and intelligent is felt to be intolerable.
It is more immediately satisfying to shout that he is a fool or a scoundrel, or both, than to find out what he is really like."
- George Orwell


"Pacifism is objectively pro-fascist.
This is elementary common sense.
If you hamper the war effort of one side, you automatically help out that of the other.
Nor is there any real way of remaining outside such a war as the present one.
In practice, 'he that is not with me is against me."
- George Orwell.









Well how can one address the message when yo can't read the message because of the formatting.
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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)
 
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Re: They promise an egalitarian Utopia
Reply #19 - Aug 28th, 2019 at 12:00pm
 
Yadda wrote on Aug 28th, 2019 at 11:00am:
And intellectuals don't 'care' to listen to anything, to any idea, which they disagree with ideologically.

You know its true !


I don't know if you realise but you've just described Trump supporters, and they're certainly not intellectuals.

It's human nature not wanting to be wrong, but a true intellectual values to the truth, the facts and forms their opinions based on them, not the other way around.

Perhaps you need a better indicator than intellect alone to link to the notion of being stubborn in one's views?

That is of course, IF, you're entering in a good-faith discussion here, which as usual it doesn't seem like you are.


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Re: They promise an egalitarian Utopia
Reply #20 - Aug 28th, 2019 at 10:18pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 28th, 2019 at 12:00pm:
Yadda wrote on Aug 28th, 2019 at 11:00am:
And intellectuals don't 'care' to listen to anything, to any idea, which they disagree with ideologically.

You know its true !


I don't know if you realise but you've just described Trump supporters, and they're certainly not intellectuals.

It's human nature not wanting to be wrong, but a true intellectual values to the truth, the facts and forms their opinions based on them, not the other way around.

Perhaps you need a better indicator than intellect alone to link to the notion of being stubborn in one's views?

That is of course, IF, you're entering in a good-faith discussion here, which as usual it doesn't seem like you are.




Yadda is a white supremacist, far right, racist wannabe. Who is surprised?
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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
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Re: They promise an egalitarian Utopia
Reply #21 - Aug 29th, 2019 at 1:55am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 28th, 2019 at 10:18pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 28th, 2019 at 12:00pm:
Yadda wrote on Aug 28th, 2019 at 11:00am:
And intellectuals don't 'care' to listen to anything, to any idea, which they disagree with ideologically.

You know its true !


I don't know if you realise but you've just described Trump supporters, and they're certainly not intellectuals.

It's human nature not wanting to be wrong, but a true intellectual values to the truth, the facts and forms their opinions based on them, not the other way around.

Perhaps you need a better indicator than intellect alone to link to the notion of being stubborn in one's views?

That is of course, IF, you're entering in a good-faith discussion here, which as usual it doesn't seem like you are.




Yadda is a white supremacist, far right, racist wannabe. Who is surprised?


I'm in a reflective mood today.

Weak End instead of spitting venom on everyone here. Why don't you examine the genesis of your hatred - yourself.

You would become more honest, saner and much happier. These curses you make, always boomerang!

Be a plus for these debates as well! May even become a Trump supporter!

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Re: They promise an egalitarian Utopia
Reply #22 - Aug 29th, 2019 at 2:11am
 
Richdude wrote on Aug 29th, 2019 at 1:55am:
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 28th, 2019 at 10:18pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 28th, 2019 at 12:00pm:
Yadda wrote on Aug 28th, 2019 at 11:00am:
And intellectuals don't 'care' to listen to anything, to any idea, which they disagree with ideologically.

You know its true !


I don't know if you realise but you've just described Trump supporters, and they're certainly not intellectuals.

It's human nature not wanting to be wrong, but a true intellectual values to the truth, the facts and forms their opinions based on them, not the other way around.

Perhaps you need a better indicator than intellect alone to link to the notion of being stubborn in one's views?

That is of course, IF, you're entering in a good-faith discussion here, which as usual it doesn't seem like you are.




Yadda is a white supremacist, far right, racist wannabe. Who is surprised?


I'm in a reflective mood today.

Weak End instead of spitting venom on everyone here. Why don't you examine the genesis of your hatred - yourself.

You would become more honest, saner and much happier. These curses you make, always boomerang!

Be a plus for these debates as well! May even become a Trump supporter!



I agree, Rich. We're all friends here.

Longy should be reflective, just like you.
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Re: They promise an egalitarian Utopia
Reply #23 - Aug 29th, 2019 at 1:24pm
 
Karnal wrote on Aug 29th, 2019 at 2:11am:
Richdude wrote on Aug 29th, 2019 at 1:55am:
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 28th, 2019 at 10:18pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 28th, 2019 at 12:00pm:
Yadda wrote on Aug 28th, 2019 at 11:00am:
And intellectuals don't 'care' to listen to anything, to any idea, which they disagree with ideologically.

You know its true !


I don't know if you realise but you've just described Trump supporters, and they're certainly not intellectuals.

It's human nature not wanting to be wrong, but a true intellectual values to the truth, the facts and forms their opinions based on them, not the other way around.

Perhaps you need a better indicator than intellect alone to link to the notion of being stubborn in one's views?

That is of course, IF, you're entering in a good-faith discussion here, which as usual it doesn't seem like you are.




Yadda is a white supremacist, far right, racist wannabe. Who is surprised?


I'm in a reflective mood today.

Weak End instead of spitting venom on everyone here. Why don't you examine the genesis of your hatred - yourself.

You would become more honest, saner and much happier. These curses you make, always boomerang!

Be a plus for these debates as well! May even become a Trump supporter!



I agree, Rich. We're all friends here.

Longy should be reflective, just like you.


You do much reflection Karnal? Tell us what it was like growing up in Islamabad.

Start a new thread if you like.
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Re: They promise an egalitarian Utopia
Reply #24 - Aug 29th, 2019 at 2:11pm
 
Richdude wrote on Aug 29th, 2019 at 1:24pm:
Karnal wrote on Aug 29th, 2019 at 2:11am:
Richdude wrote on Aug 29th, 2019 at 1:55am:
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 28th, 2019 at 10:18pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 28th, 2019 at 12:00pm:
Yadda wrote on Aug 28th, 2019 at 11:00am:
And intellectuals don't 'care' to listen to anything, to any idea, which they disagree with ideologically.

You know its true !


I don't know if you realise but you've just described Trump supporters, and they're certainly not intellectuals.

It's human nature not wanting to be wrong, but a true intellectual values to the truth, the facts and forms their opinions based on them, not the other way around.

Perhaps you need a better indicator than intellect alone to link to the notion of being stubborn in one's views?

That is of course, IF, you're entering in a good-faith discussion here, which as usual it doesn't seem like you are.




Yadda is a white supremacist, far right, racist wannabe. Who is surprised?


I'm in a reflective mood today.

Weak End instead of spitting venom on everyone here. Why don't you examine the genesis of your hatred - yourself.

You would become more honest, saner and much happier. These curses you make, always boomerang!

Be a plus for these debates as well! May even become a Trump supporter!



I agree, Rich. We're all friends here.

Longy should be reflective, just like you.


You do much reflection Karnal? Tell us what it was like growing up in Islamabad.

Start a new thread if you like.


I grew up in Sydney, dear. You?
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California solves its homelessness crisis
Reply #25 - Feb 25th, 2020 at 5:49pm
 


California solves its homelessness crisis


....honest !!!





Local doctors [in California] need only write 'those in need', a prescription for housing.

That is the 'solution' which is being proposed by the LEFTIST California governor Gavin Newsom !!




Quote:

February 25th, 2020

CA Gov Newsom Has Magic Plan To Solve Homeless Problem.


By  Hank Berrien
DailyWire.com

https://www.dailywire.com/news/ca-gov-newsom-has-magic-plan-to-solve-homeless-pr...





Yadda said...
They promise an egalitarian Utopia

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1551512352/0#0


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: They promise an egalitarian Utopia
Reply #26 - Feb 25th, 2020 at 11:54pm
 
When you subsidize something you get more of it, just see the failures of utopia California.

https://www.theburningplatform.com/2020/02/22/on-leaving-the-golden-state/


Another feature of living where I live would have to be the homeless, the insane and the drug addicts that wander this particular neighborhood.  The authorities estimate that there are more than 1100 homeless in and around my part of town but unless you too live in such a neighborhood, it can be hard to imagine so I’ll do my best to explain.  Please humor me while I tell you what that looks like from ground zero.

As I wait for my morning coffee to brew, I can see the more industrious homeless pushing or pulling their junk carts from under the overpass where they spent the night.  During the day, these guys will scoop up anything of value that is not nailed down.  Others that I can see have their signs and will go panhandle where the tourists must exit the freeway.
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Re: They promise an egalitarian Utopia
Reply #27 - Feb 26th, 2020 at 12:28am
 


@ Reply #26,



Socialism.....

Promises a Utopia,     ....where there will be, no want.

Delivers, lies [as hope].      .....and disappointment and disillusionment and misery.

Proverbs 29:18
Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he.


Socialism.....

Teaches helplessness and encourages [establishes] dependency - and rewards thieves and liars.




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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1565906239/0#0
Quote:


......
Socialism is brilliant, and laudable, in theory.

But human nature ['the human condition'] always defeats it, in practice.




laudable = = deserving praise and commendation.



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Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
- Winston Churchill


"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money."
- Margaret Thatcher


"Socialism only works
In two places:
Heaven where they don't
Need it and hell where they already have it."
-Ronald Reagan


If you want more of something, subsidize it; if you want less of something, tax it.
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'The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.'
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'The taxpayer:
That's someone who works
For the federal government
But doesn't have to take the
Civil service examination.'
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'Government is like a baby:
An alimentary canal with a
Big appetite at one end and
No sense of responsibility
At the other'
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'The nearest thing to eternal life we will ever see on this earth is a government program.'
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'It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession.
I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first'
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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: They promise an egalitarian Utopia
Reply #28 - Feb 26th, 2020 at 8:28am
 
Yadda, you keep talking about socialism.  This is how those you're getting your information from have decided is an effective way to attack Sanders.

Given that it's working on you, they're probably right.

But Sanders isn't advocating for socialism.

Medicare for all is not socialism.  A livable wage for all is not socialism.  Even closing loopholes so people and corporations pay the level of taxaition they're already expected to isn't socialism.

Do you even know what socialism is?

Sanders is a capitalist.

All he is suggesting is that some of the taxation raised via the capitalist US Economy go towards ensuring people don't have to lose their house, everything they own and have to declare bankruptcy just to pay their healthcare bills or are even able to attend college without incurring the levels of debt that will prevent them from ever being able to own a house to lose when their healthcare bills come in, or even attend college at all. 

That's not socialism.  It's universal healthcare.

The reason you're linking it with Socialism is that, like "Global Warming" was replaced with "Climate Change" because people were arguing that "It's snowing, so much for global warming", those lobby groups who have a vested interest in healthcare being about generating profits rather than patient healthcare and positive outcomes, they rebranded "Universal Healthcare" to "Socialised Healthcare" and since it's got the word "social" in it, it's a simple hop over to accusing anyone who floats the idea of being a socialist and then the tards you get your information from are now painting the entire Democratic party as Socialists who want to turn the US into a third world country.

You've basically being manipulated into supporting policies and ideology that exploit you to profit others, the ones manipulating you.

It's actually quite genius in its implementation, but it shows how backwards and ignorant humans can still be, despite how far we've come from our cave-dwelling days.

Or perhaps it's the lack of decent education which is why it's more of a problem in the US and in increasing problem closer to home as both countries slide lower and lower on the world stage of education outcomes.
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Re: They promise an egalitarian Utopia
Reply #29 - Feb 26th, 2020 at 8:32am
 
Mortdooley wrote on Feb 25th, 2020 at 11:54pm:
When you subsidize something you get more of it, just see the failures of utopia California.

https://www.theburningplatform.com/2020/02/22/on-leaving-the-golden-state/


Another feature of living where I live would have to be the homeless, the insane and the drug addicts that wander this particular neighborhood.  The authorities estimate that there are more than 1100 homeless in and around my part of town but unless you too live in such a neighborhood, it can be hard to imagine so I’ll do my best to explain.  Please humor me while I tell you what that looks like from ground zero.

As I wait for my morning coffee to brew, I can see the more industrious homeless pushing or pulling their junk carts from under the overpass where they spent the night.  During the day, these guys will scoop up anything of value that is not nailed down.  Others that I can see have their signs and will go panhandle where the tourists must exit the freeway.
Trumps economy. Great isnt it?
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