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Reply #45 - Mar 8^th, 2019 at 7:05pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 6:44pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 4:11pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 1:35pm:

I don't translate it as "ordained", more like "permitted" - as in you are allowed to fight strictly in self defense.

Would you prefer I started believing that my religion ordains that I must go forth and kill as many non-muslims as I can?

Or would you agree its actually a good thing in the interests of the safety and wellbeing of society that there are muslims like me who make the peaceful, violence-strictly-only-in-self-defence case for Islam?

You should have added that to your list. Ignore. Brush over. Alter.

Do you think its better for muslims to ignore, brush over and alter the alleged bad bits of the Quran, or follow them faithfully?

What is the lesser of two evils? Polishing a turd or eating it?

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Reply #46 - Mar 8^th, 2019 at 7:19pm

WWW search....
Democrats plan to condemn “all hate”, after backing down from condemning anti-Semitism
By Robert Spencer on Mar 07, 2019
[by "all hate" they mean principally, ISLAM-O-PHOBIA. coz ISLAM-O-PHOBIA, is the real hate speech!!!
and of course, what can be found in the Koran, cannot be considered to be hate speech!
coz everyone knows, that ISLAM teaches peace and tolerance, towards those who are not, the followers of ISLAM. ----- > ]
"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

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Popular evangelical leader calls for Justice Dept. investigation of Omar for links to Muslim Brotherhood charities
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Mar 07, 2019
[oh what!    really!    a devout moslem congresswoman, may have links to the Muslim Brotherhood!!!!
i just cannot believe it!!!!!!    shock, horror!]

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Father of unrepentant ISIS jihadi bride blames UK for letting her go to Syria without a passport
By Robert Spencer on Mar 07, 2019
[another moslem father, who was 'oppressed' by those infidels,    infidels who allowed his daughter to travel, to join ISIS in Syria.
and now, "oh i want my poor daughter back! the UK must ensure her safety!"]

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YouTube removes video of    imam in Canada    preaching about gays to “stone these people to death”
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Mar 07, 2019
“YouTube is protecting hate speech and incitement to violence against the gay community by removing a MEMRI TV clip”
[ISLAM is peace, and tolerance. honest. ]

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US-funded Afghanistan gives $1,000,000 to Palestinians
By Christine Douglass-Williams on Mar 07, 2019
"From one jihad-supporting country to the next: a gift of a million dollars, courtesy of the infidels:"
[infidel TREASURE,    re-purposed, for the Jihad, against the infidel!    that is what this is! ]
Q. where does the allegiance of a follower of ISLAM lay ??? A. only with those persons whom he, considers to be his, 'brothers'.]
"Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders." WWW search

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Bernie Sanders on Muslim Rep. Ilhan Omar’s anti-Semitic tweets: “We will stand by our Muslim brothers and sisters”
By Robert Spencer on Feb 14, 2019

'Curse the Jews'

- Houthi flag, and the Yemeni nation

- and all followers of ISLAM generally.

Genesis 12:1
Now the LORD had said unto Abram....
3 ....I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee:....

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Muslima from UK has no regrets about joining ISIS, but wants to return to raise her child on welfare benefits
By Robert Spencer on Feb 14, 2019
[of course this muslima must be welcomed back to the UK, the moslem is the virtuous person.    and what right has a filthy disbeliever, to judge a moslem! and it is the obligation of the dhimmi in the UK, to pay the Jizya ['sit-down-money'] to the moslems.
disbeliever = = 'the worst of creatures' - google it]

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[not in the West]
Malaysia: Muslim who tried to bomb church says “I have no regrets for what happened”
By Robert Spencer on Feb 14, 2019
[Allah be praised! a moslem who knows his religion!]
"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216
"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

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[not in the West]
Dr. Ali Al-Siba’i: Why Do the Descendants of Apes and Pigs Rule Over Us?
By Hugh Fitzgerald on Feb 14, 2019
[Allah be praised!    another moslem who knows his religion!]
".....on the Turkey-based MB-affiliated Channel 9 TV, Libyan researcher Dr. Ali Al-Siba’i said that the Jihad that terrifies the world today was sanctioned by shari’a law in order to establish justice, and that humanity was relieved of oppression, exploitation...."
"and that humanity was relieved of oppression" ...see Koran 4.74-76

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Ohio: Muslim charged with plotting jihad massacre in Cleveland wanted to behead Trump’s children
By Robert Spencer on Feb 14, 2019
[more righteous Jihad, against Allah's enemies. this one is sure to get entry, into Allah's paradise.]

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[not in the West]
Islamic scholar invokes Qur’an to justify killing Jews: “Kill the polytheists wherever you may find them”
By Robert Spencer on Feb 14, 2019
[the Jewish people rejected Mohammed's 'invitation' to become moslems. never-ending warfare against 'the Descendants of Apes and Pigs'.    < ---- NOT, NOT, NOT HATE SPEECH !!!!!,
simply ISLAMIC religious doctrine. A Pass.]

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #47 - Mar 8^th, 2019 at 7:35pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 6:55pm:

moses will defend to the death the Islamists and their 'correct' interpretation of the Quran, and be damned any muslim who wants to promote a peaceful Islam!

Moses will not rest until all peaceful muslims desist with their absurd renunciation of violence and utter the words "death to the infidel!"

Hatred for all infidels.

It is a hatred justified, and authorised by both Allah and Mohammed.

"The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!"
Koran 9.30

Mohammed's final declaration on the status of Jews and Christians, re ISLAM;

"On his death-bed Allah's Apostle....said, "May Allah's Curse be on the Jews and the Christians....."
hadithsunnah/bukhari #004.056.660

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And no moslem, can have a disbeliever as a friend [except, as a friendship as a deception, against Allah's sworn enemy].

"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say
Reply #48 - Mar 8^th, 2019 at 10:00pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 6:55pm:

moses will defend to the death the Islamists and their 'correct' interpretation of the Quran, and be damned any muslim who wants to promote a peaceful Islam!

Moses will not rest until all peaceful muslims desist with their absurd renunciation of violence and utter the words "death to the infidel!"

And upon that day, Islam will cease to exist.

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Reply #49 - Mar 8^th, 2019 at 10:05pm

freediver wrote on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 7:05pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 6:44pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 4:11pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 1:35pm:

I don't translate it as "ordained", more like "permitted" - as in you are allowed to fight strictly in self defense.

Would you prefer I started believing that my religion ordains that I must go forth and kill as many non-muslims as I can?

Or would you agree its actually a good thing in the interests of the safety and wellbeing of society that there are muslims like me who make the peaceful, violence-strictly-only-in-self-defence case for Islam?

You should have added that to your list. Ignore. Brush over. Alter.

Do you think its better for muslims to ignore, brush over and alter the alleged bad bits of the Quran, or follow them faithfully?

What is the lesser of two evils? Polishing a turd or eating it?

I don't understand FD, why on earth would anyone think that renouncing violence is "polishing a turd"?

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #50 - Mar 8^th, 2019 at 10:44pm

"polishing a turd"?

FD said it well enough,

when speaking to the reason for the apparent 'timidity' of many moslems....

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1391854581/281#281
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You are mistaking impotence for benign intent. The Muslims are in no hurry to correct you.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1368872008/51#51
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Chimp you are confusing impotence with benevolence. Abu was fond of this trick. Correlation does not equal causation.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1344119653/61#61
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They want to impose it on everyone. They just recognise their own impotence. Even Abu is telling you this spot. You should learn to tell the difference. Imagine a Nazi telling you he is not capable of slaughtering Jews because Australian law stops him - would you turn around and tell everyone he does not want to slaughter Jews? For someone who claims to oppose this BS you are incredibly blind to it.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1344119653/78#78
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How can you tell the difference? Even when Abu says he believes in the death penalty for apostasy and destroying freedom and democracy yuou refuse to believe it. All he has to do is point out his impotence to achieve his goals and you take this to mean they are not his goals. I have never seen anyone so easy to fool.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1339842765/287#287
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Do you believe that Abu wants Islamic law for Australia? Can you point to anywhere that he has actually said he does not want it, rather than where he has merely refused to give a straight answer? Can you tell the difference between Abu acknowledging his own impotence to achieve what he wants and not wanting it? Can you explain why he would answer by talking about his inability to achieve Islamic law in Australia if it was not what he wanted?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1344204563/155#155
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Not really. I am just trying to get you to acknowledge the reality. I have not been quoting the Koran at Abu as you claim and telling him what he believes. I have been asking him. As far as I can tell it still has not sunk in with you that Abu opposes freedom and democracy and wants the death penalty for all sorts of thought crimes. I can provide links and quotes on any that you are interested in. It will help you to face reality, one little step at a time. You can move past your little delusion that impotence is the same thing as benign intent.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1344204563/168#168
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Are you honestly incapable of telling the difference between impotence and benign intent? Why is it good enough to for you to openly lie about what Abu wants by pretending it is the same as what he can achieve?

All of these "ISLAM is a peaceful faith."
crowd, are as thick as two short planks.

Either that, or this crowd are really moslems, here on OzPol, who are masquerading as non-moslems.

I would say the latter.

" The Prophet said, "War is deceit." "

hadith/bukhari/ #004.052.269

Moslems lying to, and deceiving 'disbelievers', is still recognised as an aspect of Jihad [religious fighting against 'disbelievers'].

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"ISLAM ES PAZ"

IMAGE.....

Everyone knows that true ISLAM, is a religion of peace.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #51 - Mar 9^th, 2019 at 12:41pm

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Your first verse refers to slave girls being forgiven by Allah and holding no shame if they're raped. It's pretty clear, dear. The preceding sentence says not to rape your slave girls.

Rationalized to now mean allah is forgiving a girl for doing nothing wrong.

Like I said a load of codswallop

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But I'm curious. Given your admonition to hate and ban the Muselman for the way he treats women, why are you quoting Jesus saying not to throw stones if you've sinned?

Oh dearie dearie dearie me, you're always so afraid to speak the truth.

I consistently call for the evil verses in the qur'an to be denounced for what they are .

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Did Yeheshua say we should hate and ban sinners instead?

He taught many a sound piece of advice, including people must not tempt God with stupid actions, you know like openly embracing a satanic death cult etc. etc..

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96333	Re: If you care, PAY ATTENTION, to what they say Reply #52 - Mar 9^th, 2019 at 1:18pm Can you show where Yeheshua taught us to hate and ban such people, Moses? If you can't do this, your entire argument is destroyed.
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Reply #53 - Mar 9^th, 2019 at 1:25pm

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moses will defend to the death the Islamists and their 'correct' interpretation of the Quran, and be damned any muslim who wants to promote a peaceful Islam!

The interpretation excuse does nothing to stop muslims taking the qur'an at its' literal word, then heading out to slaughter as many soft targets as possible, secure in the knowledge that allah loves him / her and that he / she is assured a place in paradise.

Why do you think muhammad/allah created two classes of muslim, with the ones who slay and are slain cited as the highest grade?

64% of the qur'an was muhammads way of bolstering violent support for his campaign to spread islam across the land.

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Moses will not rest until all peaceful muslims desist with their absurd renunciation of violence and utter the words "death to the infidel!"

The usual bull droppings as you try and tell us you really don't like the violence, but you'll say and do anything to preserve the evil in a doctrine which causes and motivates this violence.

The cause motivation and perpetration of human rights atrocities, are all inextricably linked gandi.

It is absolutely useless to say you only want to denounce one of the components.

The whole lot has to be eradicated.

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Reply #54 - Mar 9^th, 2019 at 2:57pm

The interpretation excuse does nothing to stop Christians taking the Bible at its' literal word, then heading out to slaughter as many soft targets as possible, secure in the knowledge that Yahweh loves him / her and that he / she is assured a place in Heaven.

Why do you think Christian priests created two classes of Christians, with the ones who slay and are slain cited as the highest grade?

65% of the Bible was Christianity's way of bolstering violent support for it's campaign to spread Christianity across the world.

Moses, you post the usual bull droppings as you try and tell us you really don't like the violence, but you'll say and do anything to preserve the evil in a doctrine which causes and motivates this violence.

The cause motivation and perpetration of human rights atrocities, are all inextricably linked Moses.

It is absolutely useless to say you only want to denounce one of the components.

The whole lot has to be eradicated. Let us end the evil rule of Christianity, today! Renounce it, Moses and make a start at denouncing the evil of Christianity! Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Reply #55 - Mar 9^th, 2019 at 5:09pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 9^th, 2019 at 2:57pm:

The interpretation excuse does nothing to stop Christians taking the Bible at its' literal word, then heading out to slaughter as many soft targets as possible, secure in the knowledge that Yahweh loves him / her and that he / she is assured a place in Heaven.

Why do you think Christian priests created two classes of Christians, with the ones who slay and are slain cited as the highest grade?

65% of the Bible was Christianity's way of bolstering violent support for it's campaign to spread Christianity across the world.

Moses, you post the usual bull droppings as you try and tell us you really don't like the violence, but you'll say and do anything to preserve the evil in a doctrine which causes and motivates this violence.

The cause motivation and perpetration of human rights atrocities, are all inextricably linked Moses.

It is absolutely useless to say you only want to denounce one of the components.

The whole lot has to be eradicated. Let us end the evil rule of Christianity, today! Renounce it, Moses and make a start at denouncing the evil of Christianity! Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Moses just renounces the bits he doesn't like.

You know, like the New Testament.

...And upon that day, Christianity will cease to exist.

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Reply #56 - Mar 9^th, 2019 at 5:15pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 9^th, 2019 at 2:57pm:

The interpretation excuse does nothing to stop Christians taking the Bible at its' literal word, then heading out to slaughter as many soft targets as possible, secure in the knowledge that Yahweh loves him / her and that he / she is assured a place in Heaven.

Why do you think Christian priests created two classes of Christians, with the ones who slay and are slain cited as the highest grade?

65% of the Bible was Christianity's way of bolstering violent support for it's campaign to spread Christianity across the world.

Moses, you post the usual bull droppings as you try and tell us you really don't like the violence, but you'll say and do anything to preserve the evil in a doctrine which causes and motivates this violence.

The cause motivation and perpetration of human rights atrocities, are all inextricably linked Moses.

It is absolutely useless to say you only want to denounce one of the components.

The whole lot has to be eradicated. Let us end the evil rule of Christianity, today! Renounce it, Moses and make a start at denouncing the evil of Christianity! Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

The idea of universal human rights was introduced into the world by Christianity. No other creed or religion could have produced the notion, you silly, two-bit screamer. No other creed and religion accommodates it except Christianity and secularism derived from... er... Christianity.

Those brothers didn't smack you hard enough, if you ask me, Bwian. They's didn't beat the 'insolent, ignorant, rancorous idiot' out of you.

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Reply #57 - Mar 9^th, 2019 at 5:17pm

Frank wrote on Mar 9^th, 2019 at 5:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 9^th, 2019 at 2:57pm:

The interpretation excuse does nothing to stop Christians taking the Bible at its' literal word, then heading out to slaughter as many soft targets as possible, secure in the knowledge that Yahweh loves him / her and that he / she is assured a place in Heaven.

Why do you think Christian priests created two classes of Christians, with the ones who slay and are slain cited as the highest grade?

65% of the Bible was Christianity's way of bolstering violent support for it's campaign to spread Christianity across the world.

Moses, you post the usual bull droppings as you try and tell us you really don't like the violence, but you'll say and do anything to preserve the evil in a doctrine which causes and motivates this violence.

The cause motivation and perpetration of human rights atrocities, are all inextricably linked Moses.

It is absolutely useless to say you only want to denounce one of the components.

The whole lot has to be eradicated. Let us end the evil rule of Christianity, today! Renounce it, Moses and make a start at denouncing the evil of Christianity! Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

The idea of universal human rights was introduced into the world by Christianity. No other creed or religion could have produced the notion, you silly, two-bit screamer. No other creed and religion accommodates it except Christianity and secularism derived from... er... Christianity.

Those brothers didn't smack you hard enough, if you ask me, Bwian. They's didn't beat the 'insolent, ignorant, rancorous idiot' out of you.

Nay, dear boy, it was introduced by the Enlightenment, as every schoolboy knows.

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Reply #58 - Mar 9^th, 2019 at 6:56pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 10:05pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 7:05pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 6:44pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 4:11pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 1:35pm:

I don't translate it as "ordained", more like "permitted" - as in you are allowed to fight strictly in self defense.

Would you prefer I started believing that my religion ordains that I must go forth and kill as many non-muslims as I can?

Or would you agree its actually a good thing in the interests of the safety and wellbeing of society that there are muslims like me who make the peaceful, violence-strictly-only-in-self-defence case for Islam?

You should have added that to your list. Ignore. Brush over. Alter.

Do you think its better for muslims to ignore, brush over and alter the alleged bad bits of the Quran, or follow them faithfully?

What is the lesser of two evils? Polishing a turd or eating it?

I don't understand FD, why on earth would anyone think that renouncing violence is "polishing a turd"?

You polish, so that others may eat.

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Reply #59 - Mar 9^th, 2019 at 7:20pm

Frank wrote on Mar 9^th, 2019 at 5:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 9^th, 2019 at 2:57pm:

The interpretation excuse does nothing to stop Christians taking the Bible at its' literal word, then heading out to slaughter as many soft targets as possible, secure in the knowledge that Yahweh loves him / her and that he / she is assured a place in Heaven.

Why do you think Christian priests created two classes of Christians, with the ones who slay and are slain cited as the highest grade?

65% of the Bible was Christianity's way of bolstering violent support for it's campaign to spread Christianity across the world.

Moses, you post the usual bull droppings as you try and tell us you really don't like the violence, but you'll say and do anything to preserve the evil in a doctrine which causes and motivates this violence.

The cause motivation and perpetration of human rights atrocities, are all inextricably linked Moses.

It is absolutely useless to say you only want to denounce one of the components.

The whole lot has to be eradicated. Let us end the evil rule of Christianity, today! Renounce it, Moses and make a start at denouncing the evil of Christianity! Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

The idea of universal human rights was introduced into the world by Christianity. No other creed or religion could have produced the notion, you silly, two-bit screamer. No other creed and religion accommodates it except Christianity and secularism derived from... er... Christianity.

And yet there are many Muslim nations which have signed up to the UN Declaration of Human Rights, Soren. Now, I wonder why they would bother to do that? Or are they just doing it, like the supposed Christian/Secular Western Nations that ignore the human rights of their citizens, Mmmmm?

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Those brothers didn't smack you hard enough, if you ask me, Bwian. They's didn't beat the 'insolent, ignorant, rancorous idiot' out of you.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. I wonder how the Lutheran clergy treated you, down in the Presbytery? Like George Pell treated those two altar boys, perhaps, Soren? Roll Eyes

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