moses wrote on Mar 12^th, 2019 at 3:43pm:


But how?

Try and answer this by specifcally explaining your logic that the beliefs and behaviour of a minority is somehow a better representation of a religion than the beliefs and behaviour of the vast majority.

WWW search....
"Is It Really Human Beings Doing This?"
Persecution of Christians, January 2019
by Raymond Ibrahim
March 10, 2019
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/13851/christians-persecution-january

[see the article.
in 2017, the UK offered asylum to     eleven     Christian Syrian refugees.
Q. how many Yazidi refugees did the UK offer asylum to in 2017 ?
and how many moslem Syrian refugees ? see the article.
Q. who in the UK government/Home Office has the influence and authority to be approving acceptance to the UK, of what are, predominantly, large numbers of moslems refugees ?]

"Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders." WWW search
"And those with him [Mohammed] are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....."
Koran 48.29




WWW search....
Ohio: Muslim who tried to join ISIS asks for leniency: “I was confused but my intent was to be part of the solution”
By Robert Spencer on Mar 10, 2019

[ISLAM is the solution.   because ISLAM is peace. ]

'ISLAM is the answer'
IMAGE....
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ArDjN9ECEAAm36A.jpg




WWW search....
Italy: Muslim migrants stabs two passersby in train station, cops say it’s not terror-related
By Robert Spencer on Mar 10, 2019

['cops say it’s not terror-related'  ....in all Western nations, the cops invariably do say that.
because today, all serving police are trained to be 'sensitive', and politically 'progressive' in their public manner,
and it is not 'progressive', [to confront the truth, and] to admit that all moslems are moslems [followers of ISLAM].
coz, such a conclusion would be 'counter-productive'.]

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216
"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123




WWW search....
Philadelphia mosque where imam preached Jew-hatred says they’re “shocked and outraged” that he did
By Robert Spencer on Mar 10, 2019

["We are shocked and outraged..." i tell youse, that one of our guest speakers     got caught     making reprehensible anti-Jewish remarks!
coz everyone knows that ISLAM teaches to only extend peace and tolerance, towards those who are not moslems. ]

"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089
"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98
"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11




WWW search....
Accused blasphemer Asia Bibi still trapped in Pakistan, denied medical care
By Robert Spencer on Mar 10, 2019

['by hook or by crook' we will kill this infidel blasphemer.]




WWW search....
Islamic State Muslima grabs uncovered hair of female reporter: “Have you not read the Qur’an, are you not ashamed?”
By Robert Spencer on Mar 10, 2019

[Q. why do the enthusiastic followers of ISIS believe        that forcing infidels to obey ISLAMIC law "....has everything to do with Islam, and [why do followers of ISIS] constantly cite Islamic texts to support its....policies and positions."  ??? ]




WWW search....
Philadelphia: Muslim cleric says “the Jews are the vilest people”
By Robert Spencer on Mar 10, 2019

[Q. why does he say such a thing ?    could it be, because all 'disbelievers' are so decribed, in the Koran,
and therefore, Jews 'qualify' too ? ]

disbeliever = = 'the worst of creatures' - google it
Koran 98.6

disbeliever = = 'the vilest of animals' - google it
Koran 8.55




WWW search....
ISIS jihadi vows “new conquests in the future. We will seek vengeance, there will be blood up to your knees.”
By Robert Spencer on Mar 10, 2019

[but, but, ISIS is finished now,   isn't it ???
too naive !!
hey dreamer, wake up!      every moslem is a moslem [a followers of ISLAM].
and ISLAM's imperative, is that its followers should all take part in the never-ending [sometimes hot, and sometimes cool] war upon all mankind, until ISLAMIC law has been imposed everywhere [so as to assure an age of secure peace for all of mankind].
'Let us do evil, that good may come.'   ]

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

Koran 2.98,  Koran 47.08-11,    Koran 4.74-76




WWW search....
Germany: Muslim screams “Allahu akbar” at funeral service for woman murdered by Muslim migrant
By Robert Spencer on Mar 10, 2019
"Many people at the church, hearing these screams of “Allahu akbar,” fled."

[coz, ISLAM is peace.]

Allah's Apostle said,
"I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy)...."
hadith/bukhari #004.052.220

Allah's Apostle said,
".....I have been given superiority......; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies):....."
hadithsunnah/muslim/ #004.1062

freediver wrote on Mar 12^th, 2019 at 7:06pm:


The two are not mutually exclusive FD. Of course I am attempting to "reform the public perception of Islam among non-Muslims" on this forum - as I'm the only muslim here, attempting to defend Islam against an almost exclusive membership of hostile non-muslims. What else would you expect me to do here?

When I engage in "reforming Islam", I certainly wouldn't do it here. And if I did I would be rightly told to "go tell it to your co-religionists".

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 11:40am:


Reforming the image of Islam among non-Muslims does nothing at all to actually reform Islam. You avoiding arguing with the other Muslims while they were still on this forum. I am only aware, by third hand accounts, of you trying to debate with Muslims on that Aussie-Muslims forum, and they swiftly banned you.  Yet you somehow manage to defend the jailing of Ahok on blasphemy charges as if it has no significant impact on freedom of speech.

What we see is you doing exclusively one, not the other. And this is not unique to you. If Muslims spent half as much time actually trying to fix the problems with Islam rather than trying to convince non-Muslims there is nothing to see here, we would not be having this debate.

Instead, all we see is the taqiyya merchants on the pulpit, and the apparently sincere but naive western converts who signed up to an idea of Islam that has barely any connection to the reality.

gandalf wrote Reply 76 yesterday at 6.33pm
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Because gandi, the argument has been, the qur'an needs glossing over ignoring or rationalizing and reinterpreting, in order for islam to catch up to Judaism and Christianity in the world peace stakes.

The minority you speak of, who follow the qur'an literally, are the ones who have the entire globes attention right now.

Their obedience to the literal word of the qur'an has / is causing untold amounts of grief bloodshed and death, around the world right now today 2019.

They have the attention of every nation on this earth because, as they tell us, they are following their sacred destiny of jihad against the unbeliever the apostate and hypocrites.

Gandi the qur'an has a majority theme of muslim supremacy and oppression of the unbelievers.

islam divides the world into two realms: 

1/.dar al-Islam the house or region of submission, those lands under muslim rule.

2/.dar  al-Harb  the house or region of war, those lands where muslims are  in  the  minority. 

For  muslims  peace  will only be achieved when the whole world is dar al-Islam. Until that time there will be conflict in dar al-Harb.

The qur'an totally supports this surmise, with the jihadists who are devoted to turning the globe into dar al-Islam can 100% cite the very teachings which praise cause and motivate their global jihadist terrorism.

For you to tell us that you're going to reinterpret rationalize disregard glossover (name your preferred excuse here) the qur'an to stop the jihadists, is to admit that the book is flawed and needs tampering with.

So we have the jihadists who accept the qur'an in its present form and are the global terrorists today.

Or the *moderates* who won't denounce the evil which actuates islamic terrorism, instead saying they are going to reinterpret rationalize disregard glossover (name your preferred excuse here) the qur'an.

You will never stop islamic terrorism by falsely saying oh it all means something else, we'll just ignore those bad bits.

Because gandalf, there will always be muslims who are not prepared to use a manufactured excuse. They will follow the literal qur'an to the very letter.

Which means that islamic terrorism will perpetuate.

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The non-peaceful parts of the Bible have not been corrected or "renounced", dear. The Torah and the Bible are seen by Judaism and Christianity as the unerring, unalterable word of God.

Indeed, it was so unalterable that the Old Testament was handed down through the generations by word of mouth. Not a word was changed.

Christians don't have to renounce St Paul's views to allow female ministers or accept gays into their congregations. Jews don't have to renounce Leviticus to justify not stoning adulterers to death. Indeed, many religious Jews don't even circumcise their sons (or any servants they may have). They certainly don't all sacrifice lambs at Passover.

It is quite possible to be a modern subject and have an ancient religion without "renouncing" anything. Jews sometimes conduct a symbolic bris for their sons without the circumcision. They hold to the belief that it's the thought that counts. Jews will even put "symbolic" blood on their doorsteps for Passover - quite an evolution for a religion based on a blood covenant.

The Quran, of course, outlines no such specific laws or rituals. The 5 pillars is it. Even circumcision is just a recommendation.

So I'm curious. Why should only Muslims have to renounce their book? Why not Jews and Christians?

freediver wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 6:14pm:


Even if that was an accurate description of what I did it would be a falacious logical leap. Defending Ahok's gaoling would be saying or implying that its ok and/or appropriate - not downplaying its significance (in anything). But what it means in this case, is that because I dispute your baseless claim that one case of a politician going to gaol for trumped up blasphemy charges means that there can't possibly be free and open religious debate across the whole of Indonesian society - I am therefore defending it.

freediver wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 6:14pm:


You have yet to offer an alternative interpretation to your blanket opaque claim that "people [without qualification] will self censor" - to the extent that the entire society is an "Islamofascist oppressive shithole". But I'm happy to concede "almost every single person" if you like.

freediver wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 6:14pm:


Thats the problem here FD - you are trying to tell me what I do in contexts in which you *DON'T* see me, and therefore have no idea about.

freediver wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 6:14pm:


Phew - just as well you are only telling me what you *SEE* from muslims eh FD! Do you have hidden cameras set up at my local mosque?