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Reply #15 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 5:22pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 12:58pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 12:17pm:

Gandalf portrays them as natural allies we should have propped up, and whose treatment of women is no worse than other Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia.

apparently a regime who physically prevent school girls from escaping a burning building and let them suffocate to death are "natural allies we should prop up".

FD couldn't come up with a worse example of muslim's treatment of women than that, so he made one up.

so you are saying the Taliban would not be capable of doing such crimes... Roll Eyes

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as thats how this comes across....how many women and children have the Taliban murdered gandy???...

you seem more concerned with the how rather than the fact it does actually happen rather a lot.....

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why make a fuss about a comment that cannot be verified whilst on the other hand saying not a word

about all the atrocities that have been listed.... Sad

your a funny dude gandy....by the sound of you

you think fd is worse than any Taliban member..

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Reply #16 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 5:23pm

moses wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 5:07pm:

rationalizing the islamists subjugation and abuse of women and kids.

Or

glossing over the islamists subjugation and abuse of women and kids.

Which one are we using here?

Or

pointing out a claim that has been made that has no basis in actual fact, and is therefore a big fat porky.

or perhaps you can shed light on this moses - do you know of this elusive evidence substantiating the claim that 8 year old girls and younger were executed by the taliban for reading non-Quranic material?

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #17 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 5:29pm

cods wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 5:22pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 12:58pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 12:17pm:

Gandalf portrays them as natural allies we should have propped up, and whose treatment of women is no worse than other Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia.

apparently a regime who physically prevent school girls from escaping a burning building and let them suffocate to death are "natural allies we should prop up".

FD couldn't come up with a worse example of muslim's treatment of women than that, so he made one up.

so you are saying the Taliban would not be capable of doing such crimes... Roll Eyes

....

as thats how this comes across....how many women and children have the Taliban murdered gandy???...

you seem more concerned with the how rather than the fact it does actually happen rather a lot.....

Angry

why make a fuss about a comment that cannot be verified whilst on the other hand saying not a word

about all the atrocities that have been listed.... Sad

your a funny dude gandy....by the sound of you

you think fd is worse than any Taliban member..

I saw an interview with a Taliban commander once, dear. He was asked how he could justify using children as suicide bombers.

He had a chuckle and said they have some very creative imams on staff.

In other words, the imams are in on the act, the act is not Islamic in itself.

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Reply #18 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 5:49pm

cods wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 5:22pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 12:58pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 12:17pm:

Gandalf portrays them as natural allies we should have propped up, and whose treatment of women is no worse than other Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia.

apparently a regime who physically prevent school girls from escaping a burning building and let them suffocate to death are "natural allies we should prop up".

FD couldn't come up with a worse example of muslim's treatment of women than that, so he made one up.

so you are saying the Taliban would not be capable of doing such crimes... Roll Eyes

....

as thats how this comes across....how many women and children have the Taliban murdered gandy???...

you seem more concerned with the how rather than the fact it does actually happen rather a lot.....

Angry

why make a fuss about a comment that cannot be verified whilst on the other hand saying not a word

about all the atrocities that have been listed.... Sad

your a funny dude gandy....by the sound of you

you think fd is worse than any Taliban member..

Facts matter cods, no matter how much you dismiss it as apologising for evil.

I would have hoped that people who come to a discussion forum to debate in good faith actually understand this. The tired old line that holding people to account for disregarding the truth, when that truth is inconvenient, is somehow tantamount to apologising for evil - is the height of intellectual laziness, and frankly dangerous.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #19 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 6:33pm

Gandi wrote:
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Or

pointing out a claim that has been made that has no basis in actual fact, and is therefore a big fat porky.

or perhaps you can shed light on this moses - do you know of this elusive evidence substantiating the claim that 8 year old girls and younger were executed by the taliban for reading non-Quranic material?

I know about Malala gandi.

15 year old Malala Yousafzai, a Pakistani Muslim girl, was shot in the face by Taliban Islamic extremist terrorists for the “crime” of being a girl that wanted to go to school to learn to read and write.

Boko haram have done some exceedingly horrific things to hundreds of schoolgirls also.

I don't differentiate between 8 or 15, school girls are all still kids in my book.

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Reply #20 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 7:26pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 12:28pm:

FD lets look at your highlighted quotes:

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Women seeking an education were forced to attend underground schools, where they and their teachers risked execution if caught.

Not even close to substantiating the claim that executing 8 year olds and under was "an actively enforced policy". Do you think the wikipedia article might have mentioned such cases had they actually occurred? I'm pretty sure the rabid anti-Islam networks out there would have published something, yet when I search for the usual suspects on google, zilch.

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The Taliban are still opposed to education for Afghan boys and girls. They are burning down schools, killing students and teachers by all kinds of means, including chemical warfare.

post the period that we were both referring to FD - 1996-2001. Remember you were moralising how outrageous it would be to deal with that regime in the wake of 9/11 and avoid the overthrow of the regime - apparently (in part) because they routinely shot 8 year old girls in the back of the head for what they read.

You actually had me believing from the specific way you described it that there were actual cases of 8 year olds being shot in the back of the head for reading something other than the Quran. Not just that it happened, but that it was widespread and routine. The brazen disregard for actual facts here continues to astonish me.

Such a practice would be shocking even for ISIS. And had it actually happened at all, let alone been as widespread and routine as you imply, I think there would be a little bit more on it than the vaguest reference to women "facing execution" for pursuing education.

freediver wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 11:59am:

What makes someone hate women so much that they would demand the US actually prop up a regime like the Taliban?

FD are you accusing me of hating women and thats the only possible explanation for why I might have opposed the invasion and (inevitable) horrors that followed? Do you think those US officials who described not negotiating with the taliban to capture bin Laden as a "missed opportunity" hated women too?

8 was the specific cutoff age set by the Taliban. Younger than 8, they may learn to read, but only the Quran. Older than 8 and they are not allowed any sort of education.Backed up with tough titties, off with their heads....

Why are you still trying to spin the treatment of women by the Taliban as being "on par" with the Saudis? Do you really think that finding a reason to criticise the US is more important than a generation lost to ignorance and fear?

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Reply #21 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 9:22pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 8:23am:

My concern is that this is just yet another example of Islam critics being careless with the actual facts in order to demonize Islam.

Islam and Mohammedans demonise islam, pal, more effectively than anyone. Wake up!!!

The Taliban tried to murder Malala Yousafzai simply for speaking out for girls' education. How's that for 'demonisation'??

You are in a centuries-long fug about your place in the world. You have outrageously large and baseless claims for Islam and are blind to all the evil that is done in its name (referencing your scriptures and prophet).

Discom-dam-bobulated doesn't even begin to describe the Islamic mind in the 21st century (and all the previous 14). You are completely unmoored from the reality of Islam's history, effect, reception in the world an among non-Muslims.

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Reply #23 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 10:36pm

issuevoter wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 4:43pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 1:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 12:11pm:

So, what's the point of this thread?

I'm curious.

Why, to justify FD's support for the Saudis, of course.

FD, you see, won't say why he supports MBS and his regime of jolly head-hackers. We assume it has something to do with the global oil market and Uncle's willingness to use the Saudis to get Iran, but ask FD any of this and you'll get the jellyfish.

Nor will FD explain why he's so keen for the US to avoid facing up to the real funders of Islamic terrorism and the global propagandists for militant Islam. FD shrugs all this off.

It doesn't matter that Sept 11 was carried out by Saudis. The logical thing to do was invade Afghanistan and Iraq and let members of the House of Saud quietly slip out of the US. It doesn't matter that Saudi Arabia is a "one-party" kingdom ruled under Sharia law, the logical thing to do is chase G around about Indonesia.

Of course you'd depose a secular Arab dictator like Saddam. He was nice in comparison to the Saudis, who use hard-core Islamism to justify their brutality. Nor does it matter that Islamists like ISIL formed in the vacuum. We gave the Iraqis their chance. They could have been the next South Korea.

The Saudis, you see, are really quite nice once you get to know them. Besides, Uncle likes them so that's that.

Don't ask FD to tell you any of this, he won't say. But as FD always says about the Muselman, they need to have their views expressed for them.

For FD, Freeeedom is not about the liberty to express your own beliefs, it's about your liberty to express the beliefs of others. Besides, FD only self-censors because of the Muselman.

Without them, FD would be free to speak his mind.

Oh for Chris'sake. Waffle, waffle, waffle.

Ask a moslem a 'pointed' Q. about his faith.

What you will often get in reply, could be characterised as intentional moslem obfuscation.

Its a 'Clayton's' answer.

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Reply #24 - Mar 7^th, 2019 at 3:30am

moses wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 5:07pm:

rationalizing the islamists subjugation and abuse of women and kids.

Or

glossing over the islamists subjugation and abuse of women and kids.

Which one are we using here?

We're looking into FD's porkies about the Taliban to justify his support for the Saudis.

What do you have to say about the Islamicist kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Moses?

Would you like to go on the record here as spinelessly apologising for them?

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Reply #25 - Mar 7^th, 2019 at 3:33am

freediver wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 7:26pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 12:28pm:

FD lets look at your highlighted quotes:

Quote:

Women seeking an education were forced to attend underground schools, where they and their teachers risked execution if caught.

Not even close to substantiating the claim that executing 8 year olds and under was "an actively enforced policy". Do you think the wikipedia article might have mentioned such cases had they actually occurred? I'm pretty sure the rabid anti-Islam networks out there would have published something, yet when I search for the usual suspects on google, zilch.

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The Taliban are still opposed to education for Afghan boys and girls. They are burning down schools, killing students and teachers by all kinds of means, including chemical warfare.

post the period that we were both referring to FD - 1996-2001. Remember you were moralising how outrageous it would be to deal with that regime in the wake of 9/11 and avoid the overthrow of the regime - apparently (in part) because they routinely shot 8 year old girls in the back of the head for what they read.

You actually had me believing from the specific way you described it that there were actual cases of 8 year olds being shot in the back of the head for reading something other than the Quran. Not just that it happened, but that it was widespread and routine. The brazen disregard for actual facts here continues to astonish me.

Such a practice would be shocking even for ISIS. And had it actually happened at all, let alone been as widespread and routine as you imply, I think there would be a little bit more on it than the vaguest reference to women "facing execution" for pursuing education.

freediver wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 11:59am:

What makes someone hate women so much that they would demand the US actually prop up a regime like the Taliban?

FD are you accusing me of hating women and thats the only possible explanation for why I might have opposed the invasion and (inevitable) horrors that followed? Do you think those US officials who described not negotiating with the taliban to capture bin Laden as a "missed opportunity" hated women too?

8 was the specific cutoff age set by the Taliban. Younger than 8, they may learn to read, but only the Quran. Older than 8 and they are not allowed any sort of education.Backed up with tough titties, off with their heads....

Why are you still trying to spin the treatment of women by the Taliban as being "on par" with the Saudis? Do you really think that finding a reason to criticise the US is more important than a generation lost to ignorance and fear?

If anyone was in any doubt as to what sound an Amerikan jellyfish makes, ask no more.

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Reply #26 - Mar 7^th, 2019 at 1:15pm

freediver wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 7:26pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 12:28pm:

FD lets look at your highlighted quotes:

Quote:

Women seeking an education were forced to attend underground schools, where they and their teachers risked execution if caught.

Not even close to substantiating the claim that executing 8 year olds and under was "an actively enforced policy". Do you think the wikipedia article might have mentioned such cases had they actually occurred? I'm pretty sure the rabid anti-Islam networks out there would have published something, yet when I search for the usual suspects on google, zilch.

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The Taliban are still opposed to education for Afghan boys and girls. They are burning down schools, killing students and teachers by all kinds of means, including chemical warfare.

post the period that we were both referring to FD - 1996-2001. Remember you were moralising how outrageous it would be to deal with that regime in the wake of 9/11 and avoid the overthrow of the regime - apparently (in part) because they routinely shot 8 year old girls in the back of the head for what they read.

You actually had me believing from the specific way you described it that there were actual cases of 8 year olds being shot in the back of the head for reading something other than the Quran. Not just that it happened, but that it was widespread and routine. The brazen disregard for actual facts here continues to astonish me.

Such a practice would be shocking even for ISIS. And had it actually happened at all, let alone been as widespread and routine as you imply, I think there would be a little bit more on it than the vaguest reference to women "facing execution" for pursuing education.

freediver wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 11:59am:

What makes someone hate women so much that they would demand the US actually prop up a regime like the Taliban?

FD are you accusing me of hating women and thats the only possible explanation for why I might have opposed the invasion and (inevitable) horrors that followed? Do you think those US officials who described not negotiating with the taliban to capture bin Laden as a "missed opportunity" hated women too?

8 was the specific cutoff age set by the Taliban. Younger than 8, they may learn to read, but only the Quran. Older than 8 and they are not allowed any sort of education.Backed up with tough titties, off with their heads....

Why are you still trying to spin the treatment of women by the Taliban as being "on par" with the Saudis? Do you really think that finding a reason to criticise the US is more important than a generation lost to ignorance and fear?

There is no evidence 8 year old girls and younger were executed for breaking reading laws FD. We know there is none because your best and only attempt is pointing to a general ban on women's education and a most vague reference to the "risk" offending women faced with execution. You can try all the logical leaps you like to try and claim it happened, but it doesn't even come close to a complete lack of actual evidence. Whats shocking here though is not just the baseless claim, but the clear and specific detail you describe - girls under 8, systematically shot in the back of the head in an "actively enforced policy" no less. You literally had me assuming it must be true - only for it to turn out to be probably the most brazen and blatant porky we've heard from you yet. You have some gumption FD, I'll give you that!

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Why are you still trying to spin the treatment of women by the Taliban as being "on par" with the Saudis? Do you really think that finding a reason to criticise the US is more important than a generation lost to ignorance and fear?

Yes they are on par FD. I still haven't found anything worse than forcing a group of school girls to suffocate to death because they were immodestly dressed. Women who just want the most basic dignity in society are, today, being tortured in Saudi prisons for speaking out against the humiliation faced every day by women. MBS has hoodwinked the west into thinking he is a great reformer. And so while he chops up dissident journalists in embassies and routinely bombs schools and hospitals and masterminds possibly the greatest humanitarian catastrophe the world is witnessing at this moment, he pretends he is a progressive and is liberating women. But ask any actual Saudi women's rights activist (the ones he hasn't managed to throw in prison and torture), and they'll tell you its a great big con. Women are still virtual prisoners in their own home, they still are not allowed to do just about anything without express permission from their male guardian - who can potentially be her own son, and if ever they are allowed outside, of course they must dress as a tent. Yes they are allowed eductaion, but it doesn't count for much when they are practically locked out of most employment opportunities (imagine a working career women under the guardianship system) None of this is changing just because on paper women can now drive. Drive where? And obviously all that is required for them not being allowed to drive is the word of their male guardian - who would obviously have to accompany her when she does drive.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #27 - Mar 7^th, 2019 at 3:03pm

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What do you have to say about the Islamicist kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Moses?

Typical backwards islamist muslim mind set, a vicious cruel kingdom who follow the qur'an to the very letter as far as I can determine.

I'm forever trying to push the point that islam in its' present form does not belong in a modern 21st century civilization.

The evil in the qur'an must be denounced by all muslims worldwide, in order to drag themselves into modernity.

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Reply #29 - Mar 8^th, 2019 at 10:05am

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There is no evidence 8 year old girls and younger were executed for breaking reading laws FD.

Are you suggesting the Taliban removed all girls under 8 from schools before using chemical weapons on them, just so you could polish that turd?

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We know there is none because your best and only attempt is pointing to a general ban on women's education and a most vague reference to the "risk" offending women faced with execution.

You still haven't gotten to the second quote, have you?

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Yes they are on par FD. I still haven't found anything worse than forcing a group of school girls to suffocate to death because they were immodestly dressed.

The Taliban were literally setting fire to schools and using chemical weapons on them. This was not a single incident Gandalf.

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