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8 year old girls executed by taliban for reading?
Mar 6^th, 2019 at 8:23am

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freediver wrote on Mar 1^st, 2019 at 1:05pm:

[during Taliban rule the practice of] shooting an 8 year old girl in the back of the head for the crime of learning to read?

freediver wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2019 at 9:28am:

The Taliban presented every girl over 8 in the regions they controlled with the death penalty for learning to read, and girls under 8 with the death penalty for learning to read anything other than the Quran. It was not an isolated incident, it was an actively enforced policy.

At first I simply took FD's word for it. But my suspicions started when I could not find any mention of it on a google search. FD is being quite specific here - shooting to the back of the head, an "actively enforced policy" - strongly suggesting there were actual executions carried out, for which there are presumably records of? So in good faith I asked FD if he had evidence for such claims. He then furnished me with two wikipedia articles:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban_treatment_of_women
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_rights_in_Afghanistan#Education

Neither of which mention anything about 8 year old girls or under being executed for reading non-quranic material, much less this being an "actively enforced policy" and not isolated.

Please does anyone else have any information to shed more light on this specific claim?

My concern is that this is just yet another example of Islam critics being careless with the actual facts in order to demonize Islam. And why? Its not as if its very hard to find actual atrocities of the taliban - of which there are many - to rightfully attack them as barbaric and unfit to rule. Why make stuff up? With all respect to FD, if it turns out this is a fabricated claim, then this is just intellectually lazy.

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Re: 8 year old girls executed by taliban for reading?
Reply #1 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 10:37am

Girls and boys, 8 years old and other ages. Taliban kill whoever they want dead

https://blog.amnestyusa.org/asia/taliban-send-8-year-old-girl-to-her-death/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/5153056/Taliban-exec...

http://www.rawa.org/temp/runews/2017/06/11/8-year-old-girl-gang-raped-brutally-k...

https://www.christianforums.com/threads/afghanistan-8-yr-old-girls-poisoned-for-...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban_treatment_of_women

http://www.newser.com/story/124178/taliban-hangs-8-year-old-afghan-boy.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/10/world/asia/teen-school-activist-malala-yousaf...

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: 8 year old girls executed by taliban for reading? Reply #2 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 10:44am Thanks bias, but I'm afraid none of those sources are relevant to FD's claim.
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Reply #3 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 11:48am

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 10:44am:

Thanks bias, but I'm afraid none of those sources are relevant to FD's claim.

How so ?

bias's links list acts by the Taliban, of murdering children, because those children's 'qualities' / aspirations, didn't 'fit the mold', which the Taliban felt was appropriate for them.

bias's e.g.
https://www.christianforums.com/threads/afghanistan-8-yr-old-girls-poisoned-for-going-to-school.672574/

freediver wrote on Mar 1^st, 2019 at 1:05pm:

[during Taliban rule the practice of] shooting an 8 year old girl in the back of the head for the crime of learning to read?

freediver wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2019 at 9:28am:

The Taliban presented every girl over 8 in the regions they controlled with the death penalty for learning to read, and girls under 8 with the death penalty for learning to read anything other than the Quran. It was not an isolated incident, it was an actively enforced policy.

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Reply #4 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 11:59am

You left out these bits Gandalf, from wikipedia:

freediver wrote on Mar 5^th, 2019 at 12:12pm:

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My 'absurd fantasies' shouldn't preclude you from having an opinion on whether or not invasion, regime change and decades of occupation was the best (only?) viable response to 9/11.

I am yet to see a better one.

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Can you verify this claim FD?

I'd be surprised if it turns out that capital punishment for girls under 8 was an "actively enforced policy" under the taliban.

Yep. Keep polishing that turd.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban_treatment_of_women

Women seeking an education were forced to attend underground schools, where they and their teachers risked execution if caught.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_rights_in_Afghanistan#Education

The Taliban are still opposed to education for Afghan boys and girls. They are burning down schools, killing students and teachers by all kinds of means, including chemical warfare.

Gandalf would you be so eager to defend the Taliban if the US had worked with them as you suggest, and as you criticise them for doing with the Saudis? Does your ability to criticise Muslims depend entirely on your ability to pass the blame onto the US at every opportunity?

Do you still think Saudi Arabia's treatment of women is "on par" with the Taliban, or was this transparent spin in an effort to criticise the US no matter what policy they choose - they cooperate with the Saudis, which is wrong, but they were also wrong for not cooperating with the Taliban...

What makes someone hate women so much that they would demand the US actually prop up a regime like the Taliban? I blame Islam.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 137387 Gender:	Re: 8 year old girls executed by taliban for reading? Reply #5 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 12:11pm Bias_2012 wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 10:37am: Girls and boys, 8 years old and other ages. Taliban kill whoever they want dead Yes. That's because the Taliban are evil scum. I don't remember anyone ever saying anything to the contrary. So, what's the point of this thread? I'm curious.
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Reply #6 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 12:17pm

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That's because the Taliban are evil scum.

I don't remember anyone ever saying anything to the contrary.

Gandalf portrays them as natural allies we should have propped up, and whose treatment of women is no worse than other Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia.

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So, what's the point of this thread?

I'm curious too. Normally Gandalf realises he is onto another looser much quicker.

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Reply #7 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 12:28pm

FD lets look at your highlighted quotes:

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Women seeking an education were forced to attend underground schools, where they and their teachers risked execution if caught.

Not even close to substantiating the claim that executing 8 year olds and under was "an actively enforced policy". Do you think the wikipedia article might have mentioned such cases had they actually occurred? I'm pretty sure the rabid anti-Islam networks out there would have published something, yet when I search for the usual suspects on google, zilch.

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The Taliban are still opposed to education for Afghan boys and girls. They are burning down schools, killing students and teachers by all kinds of means, including chemical warfare.

post the period that we were both referring to FD - 1996-2001. Remember you were moralising how outrageous it would be to deal with that regime in the wake of 9/11 and avoid the overthrow of the regime - apparently (in part) because they routinely shot 8 year old girls in the back of the head for what they read.

You actually had me believing from the specific way you described it that there were actual cases of 8 year olds being shot in the back of the head for reading something other than the Quran. Not just that it happened, but that it was widespread and routine. The brazen disregard for actual facts here continues to astonish me.

Such a practice would be shocking even for ISIS. And had it actually happened at all, let alone been as widespread and routine as you imply, I think there would be a little bit more on it than the vaguest reference to women "facing execution" for pursuing education.

freediver wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 11:59am:

What makes someone hate women so much that they would demand the US actually prop up a regime like the Taliban?

FD are you accusing me of hating women and thats the only possible explanation for why I might have opposed the invasion and (inevitable) horrors that followed? Do you think those US officials who described not negotiating with the taliban to capture bin Laden as a "missed opportunity" hated women too?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #8 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 12:33pm

freediver wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 12:17pm:

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That's because the Taliban are evil scum.

I don't remember anyone ever saying anything to the contrary.

Gandalf portrays them as natural allies we should have propped up, and whose treatment of women is no worse than other Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia.

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So, what's the point of this thread?

I'm curious too. Normally Gandalf realises he is onto another looser much quicker.

Mujahadeen were the USA's Afghan rebel against the Russians.
Taliban were the Russian's Afghan rebel against the USA.

...two wrongs not making a right. Roll Eyes

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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.

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Re: 8 year old girls executed by taliban for reading?
Reply #10 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 12:58pm

freediver wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 12:17pm:

Gandalf portrays them as natural allies we should have propped up, and whose treatment of women is no worse than other Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia.

apparently a regime who physically prevent school girls from escaping a burning building and let them suffocate to death are "natural allies we should prop up".

FD couldn't come up with a worse example of muslim's treatment of women than that, so he made one up.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #11 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 1:20pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 12:11pm:

So, what's the point of this thread?

I'm curious.

Why, to justify FD's support for the Saudis, of course.

FD, you see, won't say why he supports MBS and his regime of jolly head-hackers. We assume it has something to do with the global oil market and Uncle's willingness to use the Saudis to get Iran, but ask FD any of this and you'll get the jellyfish.

Nor will FD explain why he's so keen for the US to avoid facing up to the real funders of Islamic terrorism and the global propagandists for militant Islam. FD shrugs all this off.

It doesn't matter that Sept 11 was carried out by Saudis. The logical thing to do was invade Afghanistan and Iraq and let members of the House of Saud quietly slip out of the US. It doesn't matter that Saudi Arabia is a "one-party" kingdom ruled under Sharia law, the logical thing to do is chase G around about Indonesia.

Of course you'd depose a secular Arab dictator like Saddam. He was nice in comparison to the Saudis, who use hard-core Islamism to justify their brutality. Nor does it matter that Islamists like ISIL formed in the vacuum. We gave the Iraqis their chance. They could have been the next South Korea.

The Saudis, you see, are really quite nice once you get to know them. Besides, Uncle likes them so that's that.

Don't ask FD to tell you any of this, he won't say. But as FD always says about the Muselman, they need to have their views expressed for them.

For FD, Freeeedom is not about the liberty to express your own beliefs, it's about your liberty to express the beliefs of others. Besides, FD only self-censors because of the Muselman.

Without them, FD would be free to speak his mind.

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Reply #12 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 4:43pm

Karnal wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 1:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 12:11pm:

So, what's the point of this thread?

I'm curious.

Why, to justify FD's support for the Saudis, of course.

FD, you see, won't say why he supports MBS and his regime of jolly head-hackers. We assume it has something to do with the global oil market and Uncle's willingness to use the Saudis to get Iran, but ask FD any of this and you'll get the jellyfish.

Nor will FD explain why he's so keen for the US to avoid facing up to the real funders of Islamic terrorism and the global propagandists for militant Islam. FD shrugs all this off.

It doesn't matter that Sept 11 was carried out by Saudis. The logical thing to do was invade Afghanistan and Iraq and let members of the House of Saud quietly slip out of the US. It doesn't matter that Saudi Arabia is a "one-party" kingdom ruled under Sharia law, the logical thing to do is chase G around about Indonesia.

Of course you'd depose a secular Arab dictator like Saddam. He was nice in comparison to the Saudis, who use hard-core Islamism to justify their brutality. Nor does it matter that Islamists like ISIL formed in the vacuum. We gave the Iraqis their chance. They could have been the next South Korea.

The Saudis, you see, are really quite nice once you get to know them. Besides, Uncle likes them so that's that.

Don't ask FD to tell you any of this, he won't say. But as FD always says about the Muselman, they need to have their views expressed for them.

For FD, Freeeedom is not about the liberty to express your own beliefs, it's about your liberty to express the beliefs of others. Besides, FD only self-censors because of the Muselman.

Without them, FD would be free to speak his mind.

Oh for Chris'sake. Waffle, waffle, waffle.

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Reply #13 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 5:03pm

issuevoter wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 4:43pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 1:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6^th, 2019 at 12:11pm:

So, what's the point of this thread?

I'm curious.

Why, to justify FD's support for the Saudis, of course.

FD, you see, won't say why he supports MBS and his regime of jolly head-hackers. We assume it has something to do with the global oil market and Uncle's willingness to use the Saudis to get Iran, but ask FD any of this and you'll get the jellyfish.

Nor will FD explain why he's so keen for the US to avoid facing up to the real funders of Islamic terrorism and the global propagandists for militant Islam. FD shrugs all this off.

It doesn't matter that Sept 11 was carried out by Saudis. The logical thing to do was invade Afghanistan and Iraq and let members of the House of Saud quietly slip out of the US. It doesn't matter that Saudi Arabia is a "one-party" kingdom ruled under Sharia law, the logical thing to do is chase G around about Indonesia.

Of course you'd depose a secular Arab dictator like Saddam. He was nice in comparison to the Saudis, who use hard-core Islamism to justify their brutality. Nor does it matter that Islamists like ISIL formed in the vacuum. We gave the Iraqis their chance. They could have been the next South Korea.

The Saudis, you see, are really quite nice once you get to know them. Besides, Uncle likes them so that's that.

Don't ask FD to tell you any of this, he won't say. But as FD always says about the Muselman, they need to have their views expressed for them.

For FD, Freeeedom is not about the liberty to express your own beliefs, it's about your liberty to express the beliefs of others. Besides, FD only self-censors because of the Muselman.

Without them, FD would be free to speak his mind.

Oh for Chris'sake. Waffle, waffle, waffle.

Actually, I've just saved months of waffle, dear.

What sound does a jellyfish make?

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moses Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6353	Re: 8 year old girls executed by taliban for reading? Reply #14 - Mar 6^th, 2019 at 5:07pm rationalizing the islamists subjugation and abuse of women and kids. Or glossing over the islamists subjugation and abuse of women and kids. Which one are we using here?
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