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Re: Pell's sentencing
Reply #105 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 5:05pm

BigP wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 4:59pm:

Violet Crumble wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 4:57pm:

So, Pell got gaol for a few years.

Stop worrying about him ... think of the other paedophiles out there who don't have anything to do with the Catholic Church.

They are everywhere ... raping little kids, or thinking about it ... sick, sick, sick.

Jesus, I dont know how I made it through my childhood without being ass fisted,,

What did I say that got you on the defensive?

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Reply #106 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 5:06pm

Violet Crumble wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 5:05pm:

BigP wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 4:59pm:

Violet Crumble wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 4:57pm:

So, Pell got gaol for a few years.

Stop worrying about him ... think of the other paedophiles out there who don't have anything to do with the Catholic Church.

They are everywhere ... raping little kids, or thinking about it ... sick, sick, sick.

Jesus, I dont know how I made it through my childhood without being ass fisted,,

What did I say that got you on the defensive?

I wasn't offended, just your assertion that they are everywhere ,

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Reply #107 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 5:08pm

red baron wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 5:01pm:

I have said this before...one victim took to heavy drug use shortly after the time of the offence, he was 13 years old at the time. There is an obvious correlation between these scenarios

This victim died of a drug overdose at 30. His sister has stated that he took to drug use directly following his sexual abuse and that it culminated in him dying from an overdose

The other victim stated that the episode ruined his life

I think that 3 year and 8 months on the bottom is a tiny sentence for ruining 2 lives

So...why would Pell appeal......as you boldly asserted:

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Pell's legal team will appeal this decision however, Judge Kidd's summation was brilliant and I can't see how an appeal will succeed.

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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: Pell's sentencing Reply #108 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 5:38pm Well...I dunno Aussie..perhaps its because his barrister said an appeal will be launched in June, that was on 9 News tonight and the words came out of his Barrister's gob So I'd say that's a fairly safe bet
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Reply #109 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 5:39pm

red baron wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 5:38pm:

Well...I dunno Aussie..perhaps its because his barrister said an appeal will be launched in June, that was on 9 News tonight and the words came out of his Barrister's gob

So I'd say that's a fairly safe bet

He's appealing the conviction, not the sentence.

I told you this already, red.

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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: Pell's sentencing Reply #110 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 5:47pm Where are you getting this stuff from Greggy, of course he is appealing the conviction I haven't said at any stage, anything other than that
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Reply #111 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 6:42pm

red baron wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 5:38pm:

Well...I dunno Aussie..perhaps its because his barrister said an appeal will be launched in June, that was on 9 News tonight and the words came out of his Barrister's gob

So I'd say that's a fairly safe bet

Dont worry Red Aussie is a failed lawyer from the Sunshine Coast so he knows all about dodgy law!!

He had to give up law he was so bad apparently!

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Re: Pell's sentencing
Reply #112 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 6:46pm

red baron wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 5:47pm:

Where are you getting this stuff from Greggy, of course he is appealing the conviction I haven't said at any stage, anything other than that

Rubbish.

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Pell's legal team will appeal this decision however, Judge Kidd's summation was brilliant and I can't see how an appeal will succeed.

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Reply #113 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 6:49pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 6:46pm:

red baron wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 5:47pm:

Where are you getting this stuff from Greggy, of course he is appealing the conviction I haven't said at any stage, anything other than that

Rubbish.

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Pell's legal team will appeal this decision however, Judge Kidd's summation was brilliant and I can't see how an appeal will succeed.

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I watched the entire summation. I consider Judge Kidd's words to be well considered and intelligent

He gave weight to the victim's rights but also to Pell's medical condition and the fact that he is in the twilight of his life

Pell's legal team will appeal this decision however, Judge Kidd's summation was brilliant and I can't see how an appeal will succeed. It may but it will need an almighty brilliant effort from the best brains in the legal profession to achieve it

Judge Kidd's sentencing was totally convincing and well balanced

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philperth2010 Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 20536 Perth Gender:	Re: Pell's sentencing Reply #114 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 8:51pm I thought the sentence was adequate but certainly on the lenient side....However considering Pell's age, the fact he has lost his career, reputation and is now a convicted sexual predator his life is in ruins which no appeal will restore!!!
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Reply #115 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 8:58pm

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 8:51pm:

I thought the sentence was adequate but certainly on the lenient side....However considering Pell's age, the fact he has lost his career, reputation and is now a convicted sexual predator his life is in ruins which no appeal will restore!!!

6 years is a crushing sentence for an old man like him.
According to a reporter in Rome on ABC 24 tonight
Pell was reported in the Italian newspapers as living a life of lavish luxury at the Vatican.
To be an old man in a spartan jail with no intellectual stimulation -
and poor food etc -
and to go from a Cardinal in Rome to just another bum in the shower is a terrible step down.
He will be absolutely miserable in jail.
I doubt that he will survive before he dies.

It's a tragedy for his victims and a tragedy for him.

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Reply #116 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 9:05pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 8:58pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 8:51pm:

I thought the sentence was adequate but certainly on the lenient side....However considering Pell's age, the fact he has lost his career, reputation and is now a convicted sexual predator his life is in ruins which no appeal will restore!!!

6 years is a crushing sentence for an old man like him.
According to a reporter in Rome on ABC 24 tonight
Pell was reported in the Italian newspapers as living a life of lavish luxury at the Vatican.
To be an old man in a spartan jail with no intellectual stimulation -
and poor food etc -
and to go from a Cardinal in Rome to just another bum in the shower is a terrible step down.
He will be absolutely miserable in jail.
I doubt that he will survive before he dies.

It's a tragedy for his victims and a tragedy for him.

He will serve 3 years and 8 months if he lives that long Bobby....I have no sympathy for Pell or other clergy who turned a blind eye to child abuse and moved paedophile priests to other parishes to continue abusing....The tragedy is that that one of Pell's victims didn't get to see the bastard suffer???

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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: Pell's sentencing Reply #117 - Mar 14^th, 2019 at 9:50am Thanks Aussie for re posting my words. Can't see anything there that stated that I said an appeal would be mounted on the grounds of sentencing though, as Greggy alluded to
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Reply #118 - Mar 14^th, 2019 at 10:12am

red baron wrote on Mar 14^th, 2019 at 9:50am:

Thanks Aussie for re posting my words. Can't see anything there that stated that I said an appeal would be mounted on the grounds of sentencing though, as Greggy alluded to

Have you seen the title of the thread, red?

All we're discussing here is the sentencing.

Anyway, just to clear it up: Pell is appealing the conviction, NOT the sentence.

On this, we all now agree.

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Johnnie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12485 Gender:	Re: Pell's sentencing Reply #119 - Mar 14^th, 2019 at 10:32am It appears Pell's defense offered no defense at all and Pell himself had nothing to say, hence the unanimous guilty verdict, and take into account the vanilla thing! Is this the right remain silent thing? at least that way the likes of Abbot and Howard can still be buddies with this unit.
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