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Reply #45 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 10:17am
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 10:16am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 10:14am:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 10:12am:
He got 6 years but he'll get out in 3 years 8 months.


He could be out in a few months.



If the appeal succeeds.

I hope it fails.

The biggest punishment then would be the Pope defrocking him.  Cool


You hope it fails?

That's rather odd.

I just hope for the right outcome.

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Re: Pell's sentencing
Reply #46 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 10:17am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 10:14am:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 10:12am:
He got 6 years but he'll get out in 3 years 8 months.


He could be out in a few months.



In a box?

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Reply #47 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 10:18am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 10:17am:
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 10:16am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 10:14am:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 10:12am:
He got 6 years but he'll get out in 3 years 8 months.


He could be out in a few months.



If the appeal succeeds.

I hope it fails.

The biggest punishment then would be the Pope defrocking him.  Cool


You hope it fails?

That's rather odd.

I just hope for the right outcome.



I have formed an opinion about his character based on many other events.
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Reply #48 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 10:20am
 
Bobby. wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 10:17am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 10:14am:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 10:12am:
He got 6 years but he'll get out in 3 years 8 months.


He could be out in a few months.



In a box?



In a chauffeur driven car.

He's appealing the conviction.

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Reply #49 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 10:21am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 10:20am:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 10:17am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 10:14am:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 10:12am:
He got 6 years but he'll get out in 3 years 8 months.


He could be out in a few months.



In a box?



In a chauffeur driven car.

He's appealing the conviction.



His health is bad.
He could die in prison.
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Reply #50 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 10:28am
 
I watched the entire summation. I consider Judge Kidd's words to be well considered and intelligent

He gave weight to the victim's rights but  also to Pell's medical condition and the fact that he is in the twilight of his life

Pell's legal team will appeal this decision however, Judge Kidd's summation was brilliant and I can't see how an appeal will succeed. It may but it will need an almighty brilliant effort from the best brains in the legal profession to achieve it

Judge Kidd's sentencing was totally convincing and well balanced

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Reply #51 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 10:30am
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 10:16am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 10:14am:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 10:12am:
He got 6 years but he'll get out in 3 years 8 months.


He could be out in a few months.



If the appeal succeeds.

I hope it fails.

The biggest punishment then would be the Pope defrocking him.  Cool



a for public consumption defrocking only

Remember Pell's position within the Vatican?

He knows way too much to worry about anyone doing him any harm

but as long as the public believes justice has been seen to be done, it's all sweet

people are so dumb it's a crime to allow them to keep breeding

bring on the robots for a better world
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Reply #52 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 10:31am
 
red baron wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 10:28am:
I watched the entire summation. I consider Judge Kidd's words to be well considered and intelligent

He gave weight to the victim's rights but  also to Pell's medical condition and the fact that he is in the twilight of his life

Pell's legal team will appeal this decision however, Judge Kidd's summation was brilliant and I can't see how an appeal will succeed. It may but it will need an almighty brilliant effort from the best brains in the legal profession to achieve it

Judge Kidd's sentencing was totally convincing and well balanced



Well, they're appealing the conviction actually.

Moreover, Kidd's sentencing summation will have no affect on that process.


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Reply #53 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 10:37am
 
No Gregg I didn't say that it would, however Kidd was able to enunciate the strength of the case against Pell

Justice Kidd continually underlined that it was Pell on trial and not the Catholic Church at large

This will be important when  it comes to finding grounds for the appeal

Judge Kidd also ordered George Pell be placed on the Sex Offenders Register and that a physical sample be taken from him for purposes of identification

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Reply #54 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 10:39am
 
red baron wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 10:37am:
No Gregg I didn't say that it would, however Kidd was able to enunciate the strength of the case against Pell

Justice Kidd continually underlined that it was Pell on trial and not the Catholic Church at large

This will be important when  it comes to finding grounds for the appeal

Judge Kidd also ordered George Pell be placed on the Sex Offenders Register and that a physical sample be taken from him for purposes of identification



They already have the (three) grounds for appeal.

Kidd's sentencing is neither important nor relevant in regard to the appeal process.

I agree that he did a good job, though.
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Reply #55 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 10:40am
 
red baron wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 10:37am:
No Gregg I didn't say that it would, however Kidd was able to enunciate the strength of the case against Pell

Justice Kidd continually underlined that it was Pell on trial and not the Catholic Church at large

This will be important when  it comes to finding grounds for the appeal

Judge Kidd also ordered George Pell be placed on the Sex Offenders Register and that a physical sample be taken from him for purposes of identification




Good post.  You've stuck to the facts and done so without emotion.  Well said  Smiley

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Reply #56 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 10:44am
 
PZ547 wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 10:40am:
red baron wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 10:37am:
No Gregg I didn't say that it would, however Kidd was able to enunciate the strength of the case against Pell

Justice Kidd continually underlined that it was Pell on trial and not the Catholic Church at large

This will be important when  it comes to finding grounds for the appeal

Judge Kidd also ordered George Pell be placed on the Sex Offenders Register and that a physical sample be taken from him for purposes of identification




Good post.  You've stuck to the facts and done so without emotion.  Well said  Smiley



Actually, he didn't stick to the facts at all.

Kidd's sentencing is completely irrelevant in the appeal process.

Moreover, the grounds for appeal have already been identified.

I agree with red when he says Kidd did a good job, though.

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Reply #57 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 10:45am
 
I also watched Kidd's sentencing remarks in their entirety.

He did a good job.

However, as per usual, I am dissatisfied by the relatively short non-parole period. This is typical of many sentences handed out.

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Reply #58 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 10:54am
 
A statement read on behalf of victim "J":


Here is a rough transcription of J’s statement, read by his lawyer, Viv Waller. A choir boy in the 1990s, J has remained anonymous throughout the process. Waller reminds the media and others that it is an offence publish details that may identify the victim.

“I respect what the judge said. It was meticulous and it was considered. It is hard for me to allow myself to feel the gravity of this moment.

The moment when the sentence is handed down, the moment when justice is done. It is hard for me, for the time being, to take comfort in this outcome.

I appreciate that the court has acknowledged what was inflicted upon me as a child. However, there is no rest for me.

Everything is overshadowed by the fourth coming appeal.

I am aware of a lot of public comment by people who are critical of my evidence. Regardless of the outcome of the appeal - a few facts will always remain.

I gave evidence for several days. I was cross-examined by Pell’s defence counsel. A jury has unanimously accepted the truth of my evidence.

Pell chose not to give evidence. The jury did not hear from him. He did not allow himself to be cross-examined.

I have played my part as best I can. I took the difficult step of reporting to police about a high-profile person, and I stood up to give my evidence.”
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Reply #59 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 10:58am
 
Bobby. wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 10:12am:
He got 6 years ...

Correct.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 10:12am:
... but he'll get out in 3 years 8 months.

There is no guarantee that he'll be granted parole.

"The non-parole period fixes the earliest date that a State offender may be released on parole.

"The non-parole period does not determine the date upon which the State offender will be released upon parole.

"It operates to fix a time when the parole board may itself decide if and when the offender is to be released on parole."


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