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Re: Pell's sentencing
Reply #60 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 10:59am

Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 10:45am:

I also watched Kidd's sentencing remarks in their entirety.

He did a good job.

However, as per usual, I am dissatisfied by the relatively short non-parole period. This is typical of many sentences handed out.

He got discounts as well, 8 years 6 months reduced to 6 years down to non parole of 3 years 8 months

Now if he appeals and it fails, there's a possibility some of those discounts could be taken away and the original sentence increased

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Captain Nemo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10027 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Pell's sentencing Reply #61 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 11:03am It is interesting to learn that Pell did not take the stand in his defense during the trial. He did not present for cross-examination against the testimony of "J". That tells me that the defence were worried. Very interesting indeed.
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Reply #62 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 11:05am

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 10:44am:

PZ547 wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 10:40am:

red baron wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 10:37am:

No Gregg I didn't say that it would, however Kidd was able to enunciate the strength of the case against Pell

Justice Kidd continually underlined that it was Pell on trial and not the Catholic Church at large

This will be important when it comes to finding grounds for the appeal

Judge Kidd also ordered George Pell be placed on the Sex Offenders Register and that a physical sample be taken from him for purposes of identification

Good post. You've stuck to the facts and done so without emotion. Well said Smiley

Actually, he didn't stick to the facts at all.

Kidd's sentencing is completely irrelevant in the appeal process.

Moreover, the grounds for appeal have already been identified.

I agree with red when he says Kidd did a good job, though.

didnt the judge also mention there had been no evidence of any more complaints since 1996...

the judge can only rule on what was presented in court and the outcome...he went to great lengths to make sure he was not judging him on any thing the church has been accused of....I seriously believe a lot of people do hold him responsible for the Church..

one of the reasons I believe he didnt speak in court....is because he knows he should have dealt with the accusation a lot better..........in hindsight Sad

I expected the judge to give him 1 year for each guilty...which would have been 5 years....the sentence seems fair he has lost everything he aspired too...

even if he is pronounced not guilty he can never get back whats hes lost....may those calling for his death think about that...

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Sir lastnail Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 30070 Gender:	Re: Pell's sentencing Reply #63 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 11:09am Pell should be burnt at the stake just like they used to do to others. For some reason stupid people keep giving them money each week so of course the corruption perpetuates And then their is the stupid gov giving churches tax free status. They should be taxed like any other business:(
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Reply #64 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 11:09am

Gordon wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 8:38am:

Gordon wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 8:34am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 8:27am:

BigP wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 8:00am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 7:52am:

Pedro Curevo wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 7:45am:

There was more than one witness against Pell...he had a long history of abusing boys.

Not in this case - only 1 witness.

I reckon Pell will get 2 years jail.

Im thinking a little more than that Bob,,

We'll see - only about an hour to hear it.
I'm tuned in to 3AW.

We're having an office sweep, winner takes all.
I drew 2 1/2 years.

Neville from accounts drew 4 years. I think I'll make a side deal with him to share our winnings.

Sanjay from IT go the loot.
Typical.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 103532 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Pell's sentencing Reply #65 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 11:42am Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 11:03am: It is interesting to learn that Pell did not take the stand in his defense during the trial. He did not present for cross-examination against the testimony of "J". That tells me that the defence were worried. Very interesting indeed. I wonder if any of the jury are Catholics?
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Reply #66 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 11:44am

Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 11:03am:

It is interesting to learn that Pell did not take the stand in his defense during the trial. He did not present for cross-examination against the testimony of "J".

That tells me that the defence were worried.

Very interesting indeed.

Perhaps its for another reason. I remember, a couple years back, when they wanted to get him to Australia for questions, some reports indicated that he was already at that time diagnosed with Alzheimer's disease.

And I have not seen him speak recently publicly.

If it is true, then his testimony would be next to worthless anyway depending on severity.

AND that opens another question... If a person is guilty of something he did. But through some... say, medical issues like stroke and dementia, he or she cant remember it at all. And all he and she know now is that she or he is in prison for doing something he or she have no memories of. Should we show mercy at times like this?

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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: Pell's sentencing Reply #67 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 12:03pm Was there any mercy for the 2nd dead victim who Pell sexually abused at the age of 13 and who almost immediately began a lifelong drug habit, that he died of at the age of 30...what about what mercy he experienced at the hands of a fiend?
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Reply #68 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 12:10pm

The Judge mentioned that there have never been any other SUBSTANTIATED complaints against Pell since the allegations he has been convicted of

It doesn't mean there have not been many other complaints, clearly there have been plenty

I would venture to suggest that there are more Pell victims out there but who cannot face the blaze of the public spotlight on them should they come forward

Make no mistake about it, victims often blame themselves, particularly in regard to those abusers who hold lofty office

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Reply #69 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 12:13pm

red baron wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 12:10pm:

The Judge mentioned that the have never been any other SUBSTANTIATED complaints against Pell since the allegations he has been convicted of

It doesn't mean there have not been many other complaints, clearly there have been plenty

I would venture to suggest that there are more Pell victims out there but who cannot face the blaze of the public spotlight on them should they come forward

Make no mistake about it, victims often blame themselves, particularly in those abusers hold lofty office

I understand. But as a civilized collective society, we like to think that we are better than the criminals that we sort to punish.

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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: Pell's sentencing Reply #70 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 12:17pm I think Judge Kidd has been merciful to George Pell Considering the fact that one of his victim's is dead, with little doubt that his drug induced death started years ago, when he was 13 years old and was abused by Pell I think 3years 8 months is tiny in comparison to the effect Pell has had on his victims
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Reply #71 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 12:20pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 11:42am:

Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 11:03am:

It is interesting to learn that Pell did not take the stand in his defense during the trial. He did not present for cross-examination against the testimony of "J".

That tells me that the defence were worried.

Very interesting indeed.

I wonder if any of the jury are Catholics?

just imagine if longprong was a juror ! How f.cled would that be Sad

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Re: Pell's sentencing
Reply #72 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 12:24pm

red baron wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 12:10pm:

The Judge mentioned that there have never been any other SUBSTANTIATED complaints against Pell since the allegations he has been convicted of

It doesn't mean there have not been many other complaints, clearly there have been plenty

I would venture to suggest that there are more Pell victims out there but who cannot face the blaze of the public spotlight on them should they come forward

Make no mistake about it, victims often blame themselves, particularly in regard to those abusers who hold lofty office

I see so you are being SELECTIVE with words..

maybe he means they didnt charge him which means....WHAT EXACTLY?.....this has been blown wideopen since the ROYAL began no need to hide...come right out and say it...theres 4 corners..60 min all dying to pay anyone for every little word....

how do you feel about others condemning him to death even burning at the stake?... Roll Eyes

this sounds like mob action at its worst?......why not throw him to the crowd and let them deal with Roll Eyes

justice........

you have come to your verdict even though you werent in court......

a lot of people still claim OJ is innocent.....

but I do hear the tide is turning for Michael Jackson..

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Redmond Neck Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 21532 ACT Gender:	Re: Pell's sentencing Reply #73 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 12:25pm Where is Rumpole Of The Sunshine Coast commenting of this? Strange he isnt correcting all you novices on law on where you are obviously wrong! He must be out there using his big hands on the golf course!
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Reply #74 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 1:02pm

I have always said that you cannot bury the truth forever

It will come tunnelling through on you, no matter how hard you try to suppress it

History is littered with the corpses of truth suppressors down through the ages

Tyrants fall into this category and make no mistake about it....today a tyrant got his come uppence in court

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