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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136820 Gender:	Re: Pell's sentencing Reply #75 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 1:30pm red baron wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 12:03pm: Was there any mercy for the 2nd dead victim who Pell sexually abused at the age of 13 and who almost immediately began a lifelong drug habit, that he died of at the age of 30...what about what mercy he experienced at the hands of a fiend? The one who said he'd never been abused?
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Reply #76 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 1:34pm

red baron wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 12:17pm:

I think Judge Kidd has been merciful to George Pell

Considering the fact that one of his victim's is dead, with little doubt that his drug induced death started years ago, when he was 13 years old and was abused by Pell

I think 3years 8 months is tiny in comparison to the effect Pell has had on his victims

"The other victim died several years ago from a heroin overdose. He never reported the abuse and denied anything happened when he was asked by his mother."

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Reply #77 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 1:44pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 1:34pm:

red baron wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 12:17pm:

I think Judge Kidd has been merciful to George Pell

Considering the fact that one of his victim's is dead, with little doubt that his drug induced death started years ago, when he was 13 years old and was abused by Pell

I think 3years 8 months is tiny in comparison to the effect Pell has had on his victims

"The other victim died several years ago from a heroin overdose. He never reported the abuse and denied anything happened when he was asked by his mother."

AS alrady been commented by many in regard to this case, maybe he was too embarrassed to tell his mother, especially if they were a very religious catholic family!

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Reply #78 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 1:46pm

Redmond Neck wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 1:44pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 1:34pm:

red baron wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 12:17pm:

I think Judge Kidd has been merciful to George Pell

Considering the fact that one of his victim's is dead, with little doubt that his drug induced death started years ago, when he was 13 years old and was abused by Pell

I think 3years 8 months is tiny in comparison to the effect Pell has had on his victims

"The other victim died several years ago from a heroin overdose. He never reported the abuse and denied anything happened when he was asked by his mother."

Maybe he was too embarrassed to tell his mother, especially if they were a very religious catholic family!

Maybe he wasn't abused.

Let's look at what we know:

- never reported any abuse

- denied anything happened when questioned by his mother

Hmmm Undecided

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Reply #79 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 2:25pm

red baron wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 10:28am:

I watched the entire summation. I consider Judge Kidd's words to be well considered and intelligent

He gave weight to the victim's rights but also to Pell's medical condition and the fact that he is in the twilight of his life

Pell's legal team will appeal this decision however, Judge Kidd's summation was brilliant and I can't see how an appeal will succeed. It may but it will need an almighty brilliant effort from the best brains in the legal profession to achieve it

Judge Kidd's sentencing was totally convincing and well balanced

Gawd you post crap. The only appeal made has been on conviction....NOT the sentence, and I doubt there will be any complaint about the sentence from his Lawyers.

I was at Golf...did not see it....and I doubt it would have been as wonderful as you suggest Mr Baron. Sentencing is a dime a dozen mundane formal routine, and language used is virtually pro forma.

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Reply #80 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 2:27pm

red baron wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 10:37am:

No Gregg I didn't say that it would, however Kidd was able to enunciate the strength of the case against Pell

Justice Kidd continually underlined that it was Pell on trial and not the Catholic Church at large

This will be important when it comes to finding grounds for the appeal

Judge Kidd also ordered George Pell be placed on the Sex Offenders Register and that a physical sample be taken from him for purposes of identification

What appeal???????? There is only one afoot....and that is against the conviction NOT the sentence. You are posting crap.

(They'd be nuts to appeal the sentence which is on the light side...or towards the 'vanilla' end.

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Reply #81 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 2:34pm

Redmond Neck wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 12:25pm:

Where is Rumpole Of The Sunshine Coast commenting of this?

Strange he isnt correcting all you novices on law on where you are obviously wrong!

He must be out there using his big hands on the golf course!

Wink

Those f@ken beady eyes are pretty good at spotting the ball as well I would think

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Reply #83 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 2:53pm

Redmond Neck wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 2:35pm:

Redmond Neck wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 12:25pm:

Where is Rumpole Of The Sunshine Coast commenting of this?

Strange he isnt correcting all you novices on law on where you are obviously wrong!

He must be out there using his big hands on the golf course!

Wink

Wow Steely Eyed Rumpole the know all has arrived!

Grin

And don't you far king forget that!

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Reply #84 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 3:18pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 12:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 11:42am:

Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 11:03am:

It is interesting to learn that Pell did not take the stand in his defense during the trial. He did not present for cross-examination against the testimony of "J".

That tells me that the defence were worried.

Very interesting indeed.

I wonder if any of the jury are Catholics?

just imagine if longprong was a juror ! How f.cled would that be Sad

Maybe the first trial stuffed up because there was a biased Catholic on the jury?
There's a lot they're not telling us.
We know nothing about the jury -
absolutely nothing.

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Reply #85 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 3:22pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 3:18pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 12:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 11:42am:

Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 11:03am:

It is interesting to learn that Pell did not take the stand in his defense during the trial. He did not present for cross-examination against the testimony of "J".

That tells me that the defence were worried.

Very interesting indeed.

I wonder if any of the jury are Catholics?

just imagine if longprong was a juror ! How f.cled would that be Sad

Maybe the first trial stuffed up because there was a biased Catholic on the jury?
There's a lot they're not telling us.
We know nothing about the jury -
absolutely nothing.

I dont suppose Rumpole was on the jury?

Just a thought! Grin

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Reply #86 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 3:35pm

Redmond Neck wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 3:22pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 3:18pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 12:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 11:42am:

Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 11:03am:

It is interesting to learn that Pell did not take the stand in his defense during the trial. He did not present for cross-examination against the testimony of "J".

That tells me that the defence were worried.

Very interesting indeed.

I wonder if any of the jury are Catholics?

just imagine if longprong was a juror ! How f.cled would that be Sad

Maybe the first trial stuffed up because there was a biased Catholic on the jury?
There's a lot they're not telling us.
We know nothing about the jury -
absolutely nothing.

I dont suppose Rumpole was on the jury?

Just a thought! Grin

We don't know how the jury was selected.
What if someone said -

"I'm a Catholic and I could never convict the beloved Cardinal Pell?"

Would they be excluded?

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Reply #87 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 3:41pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 3:35pm:

Redmond Neck wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 3:22pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 3:18pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 12:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 11:42am:

Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 11:03am:

It is interesting to learn that Pell did not take the stand in his defense during the trial. He did not present for cross-examination against the testimony of "J".

That tells me that the defence were worried.

Very interesting indeed.

I wonder if any of the jury are Catholics?

just imagine if longprong was a juror ! How f.cled would that be Sad

Maybe the first trial stuffed up because there was a biased Catholic on the jury?
There's a lot they're not telling us.
We know nothing about the jury -
absolutely nothing.

I dont suppose Rumpole was on the jury?

Just a thought! Grin

We don't know how the jury was selected.
What if someone said -

"I'm a Catholic and I could never convict the beloved Cardinal Pell?"

Would they be excluded?

yes, they would be excluded.

The jury is selected at random from the jury "pool".

Each potential jury person is asked if there is any reason they feel they cannot deliver an unbiased verdict.

14 jury members were selected and the two "extra" ones were excluded by ballot after hearing the first stages of the trial.

All pretty normal procedure.

I was once on the jury "pool" in Melbourne and got as far as the courtroom for the selection process, but was not selected at random as they reached the required number before me.

All very interesting but a tad boring in the end because I missed out.

I would have liked to have been selected for the jury.

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Re: Pell's sentencing
Reply #88 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 3:45pm

Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 3:41pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 3:35pm:

Redmond Neck wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 3:22pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 3:18pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 12:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 11:42am:

Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 11:03am:

It is interesting to learn that Pell did not take the stand in his defense during the trial. He did not present for cross-examination against the testimony of "J".

That tells me that the defence were worried.

Very interesting indeed.

I wonder if any of the jury are Catholics?

just imagine if longprong was a juror ! How f.cled would that be Sad

Maybe the first trial stuffed up because there was a biased Catholic on the jury?
There's a lot they're not telling us.
We know nothing about the jury -
absolutely nothing.

I dont suppose Rumpole was on the jury?

Just a thought! Grin

We don't know how the jury was selected.
What if someone said -

"I'm a Catholic and I could never convict the beloved Cardinal Pell?"

Would they be excluded?

yes, they would be excluded.

The jury is selected at random from the jury "pool".

Each potential jury person is asked if there is any reason they feel they cannot deliver an unbiased verdict.

14 jury members were selected and the two "extra" ones were excluded by ballot after hearing the first stages of the trial.

All pretty normal procedure.

I was once on the jury "pool" in Melbourne and got as far as the courtroom for the selection process, but was not selected at random as they reached the required number before me.

All very interesting but a tad boring in the end because I missed out.

I would have liked to have been selected for the jury.

Thanks - I didn't know that.
Our resident lawyer should have told me.

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Reply #89 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 3:46pm

Redmond Neck wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 1:44pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 1:34pm:

red baron wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 12:17pm:

I think Judge Kidd has been merciful to George Pell

Considering the fact that one of his victim's is dead, with little doubt that his drug induced death started years ago, when he was 13 years old and was abused by Pell

I think 3years 8 months is tiny in comparison to the effect Pell has had on his victims

"The other victim died several years ago from a heroin overdose. He never reported the abuse and denied anything happened when he was asked by his mother."

AS alrady been commented by many in regard to this case, maybe he was too embarrassed to tell his mother, especially if they were a very religious catholic family!

That's the whole point there are too many "maybes" which negates the criteria of "beyond a reasonable doubt".

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