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Re: Pell's sentencing
Reply #90 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 3:48pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 1:46pm:

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red baron wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 12:17pm:

I think Judge Kidd has been merciful to George Pell

Considering the fact that one of his victim's is dead, with little doubt that his drug induced death started years ago, when he was 13 years old and was abused by Pell

I think 3years 8 months is tiny in comparison to the effect Pell has had on his victims

"The other victim died several years ago from a heroin overdose. He never reported the abuse and denied anything happened when he was asked by his mother."

Maybe he was too embarrassed to tell his mother, especially if they were a very religious catholic family!

Maybe he wasn't abused.

Let's look at what we know:

- never reported any abuse

- denied anything happened when questioned by his mother

Hmmm Undecided

And we know that abusers often don't come forward and deny out of fear, shame, guilt.

My statement the othert day stands you're looking for any little excuse.

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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Reply #91 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 3:51pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 3:48pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 1:46pm:

Redmond Neck wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 1:44pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 1:34pm:

red baron wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 12:17pm:

I think Judge Kidd has been merciful to George Pell

Considering the fact that one of his victim's is dead, with little doubt that his drug induced death started years ago, when he was 13 years old and was abused by Pell

I think 3years 8 months is tiny in comparison to the effect Pell has had on his victims

"The other victim died several years ago from a heroin overdose. He never reported the abuse and denied anything happened when he was asked by his mother."

Maybe he was too embarrassed to tell his mother, especially if they were a very religious catholic family!

Maybe he wasn't abused.

Let's look at what we know:

- never reported any abuse

- denied anything happened when questioned by his mother

Hmmm Undecided

And we know that abusers often don't come forward and deny out of fear, shame, guilt.

My statement the othert day stands you're looking for any little excuse.

I'm not looking for excuses at all. I have no horse in this race.

I'm merely stating a fact: it's possible he wasn't abused.

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Re: Pell's sentencing
Reply #93 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 3:55pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 3:35pm:

Redmond Neck wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 3:22pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 3:18pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 12:20pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 11:42am:

Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 11:03am:

It is interesting to learn that Pell did not take the stand in his defense during the trial. He did not present for cross-examination against the testimony of "J".

That tells me that the defence were worried.

Very interesting indeed.

I wonder if any of the jury are Catholics?

just imagine if longprong was a juror ! How f.cled would that be Sad

Maybe the first trial stuffed up because there was a biased Catholic on the jury?
There's a lot they're not telling us.
We know nothing about the jury -
absolutely nothing.

I dont suppose Rumpole was on the jury?

Just a thought! Grin

We don't know how the jury was selected.
What if someone said -

"I'm a Catholic and I could never convict the beloved Cardinal Pell?"

Would they be excluded?

One of the jury members was a church pastor.

Pell didn't challenge any of the jurors.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38565 Gender:	Re: Pell's sentencing Reply #94 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 4:05pm Quote: One of the jury members was a church pastor. Pell didn't challenge any of the jurors. How do you know those "facts?"
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Reply #95 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 4:06pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 4:05pm:

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One of the jury members was a church pastor.

Pell didn't challenge any of the jurors.

How do you know those "facts?"

I read the news today, oh boy.

"Pell had the right to challenge up to three jurors as their numbers were pulled out of a ballot box and their occupations read out.

"He challenged none.

"Nine men and five women were sworn in, among them a church pastor, a mathematician, a chef and a schoolteacher."

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Reply #96 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 4:15pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 4:06pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 4:05pm:

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One of the jury members was a church pastor.

Pell didn't challenge any of the jurors.

How do you know those "facts?"

I read the news today, oh boy.

"Pell had the right to challenge up to three jurors as their numbers were pulled out of a ballot box and their occupations read out.

"He challenged none.

"Nine men and five women were sworn in, among them a church pastor, a mathematician, a chef and a schoolteacher."

Okay......I can't remember whether the Jury Panel lists we were given in Qld included occupations. Name and address definitely.

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Reply #97 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 4:35pm

Too bad you were at golf Aussie, then you wouldn't be guilty of posting the mindless crap that you have, which is par for the course for you on this subject. Your prejudiced Catholic mindset has your brain on tilt

Justice Kidd's comments clearly illustrated that Cardinal George Pell was guilty of carrying out horrific acts which Kidd described in chapter and verse

No doubt you the King of Queensland Solicitors, will have a problem with that but Justice Kidd's summation was heavy on facts and depending on what accent of the trial he was commenting on, in what I thought was a brilliant summation on everything ,in favour and not in favour of Pell, depending on what aspect of the trial he was commenting on

Kidd's summation truly reflected the balance of the scales of Justice and he displayed his absolute independence as Judge

Too bad you were busy chasing a little white pill around some grass to view it ..You might have learned something

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Re: Pell's sentencing
Reply #98 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 4:40pm

red baron wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 4:35pm:

Too bad you were at golf Aussie, then you wouldn't be guilty of posting the mindless crap that you have, which is par for the course for you on this subject. Your prejudiced Catholic mindset has your brain on tilt

Justice Kidd's comments clearly illustrated that Cardinal George Pell was guilty of carrying out horrific acts which Kidd described in chapter and verse

No doubt you the King of Queensland Solicitors, will have a problem with that but Justice Kidd's summation was heavy on facts and depending on what accent of the trial he was commenting on, in what I thought was a brilliant summation on everything ,in favour and not in favour of Pell, depending on what aspect of the trial he was commenting on

Kidd's summation truly reflected the balance of the scales of Justice and he displayed his absolute independence as Judge

Too bad you were busy chasing a little white pill around some grass to view it ..You might have learned something

I am a Calathumpian, formerly a Presbyterian. Not a Catholic. I have been in Court for literally many hundreds of sentencings, and they all are as you describe.....well, some Magistrates maybe not. That is par for the legal course. Legal grist for the mill. Mundane and not exceptional. Nothing magical about it all.

Why are you suggesting that Pell will appeal that sentence?

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Reply #99 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 4:47pm

So you watched it? Did you have someone record it for you? Your last comment seems to indicate you viewed it?

Yes, my opinion is that an appeal will be launched, nothing more, it's just an opinion,

I have followed this trial just like the majority of Australians. This was an incredibly landmark trial. The whole world was watching. I believe the first time a Catholic Cardinal has ever been put on trial

Personally I think Judge Kidd did Australia proud with his thoughtful and intelligent sentencing comments

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38565 Gender:	Re: Pell's sentencing Reply #100 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 4:54pm Quote: Yes, my opinion is that an appeal will be launched, nothing more, it's just an opinion, Based on what? Do you honestly assert that what Pell was given is manifestly excessive? "Landmark?" Bullshit. Novel...in that a Cardinal was the Accused....yes, but landmark? Absurd.
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Violet Crumble Gold Member Offline Posts: 576	Re: Pell's sentencing Reply #101 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 4:57pm So, Pell got gaol for a few years. Stop worrying about him ... think of the other paedophiles out there who don't have anything to do with the Catholic Church. They are everywhere ... raping little kids, or thinking about it ... sick, sick, sick.
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Re: Pell's sentencing
Reply #102 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 4:59pm

Violet Crumble wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 4:57pm:

So, Pell got gaol for a few years.

Stop worrying about him ... think of the other paedophiles out there who don't have anything to do with the Catholic Church.

They are everywhere ... raping little kids, or thinking about it ... sick, sick, sick.

Jesus, I dont know how I made it through my childhood without being ass fisted,,

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Reply #103 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 5:01pm

I have said this before...one victim took to heavy drug use shortly after the time of the offence, he was 13 years old at the time. There is an obvious correlation between these scenarios

This victim died of a drug overdose at 30. His sister has stated that he took to drug use directly following his sexual abuse and that it culminated in him dying from an overdose

The other victim stated that the episode ruined his life

I think that 3 year and 8 months on the bottom is a tiny sentence for ruining 2 lives

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Reply #104 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 5:05pm

red baron wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 5:01pm:

I have said this before...one victim took to heavy drug use shortly after the time of the offence, he was 13 years old at the time. There is an obvious correlation between these scenarios

This victim died of a drug overdose at 30. His sister has stated that he took to drug use directly following his sexual abuse and that it culminated in him dying from an overdose

The other victim stated that the episode ruined his life

I think that 3 year and 8 months on the bottom is a tiny sentence for ruining 2 lives

You are better off waiting until he is dead before you slander him lol

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