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Re: Where is, the 'exemplar' moslem majority nation ?
Reply #120 - Apr 6^th, 2019 at 9:49pm

Jasin wrote on Apr 6^th, 2019 at 8:58pm:

So YADDA.

How's it feel to be a Christian?

He who 'stole' Religion from the Jews in the Middle-East and took it to Europe and wonder's why Moslems were invented to 'get it back'.

JaSin,

Once an idea or a 'concept' is shared, 'the genie is out of the bottle', and it is 'out there', to be used by others, to be accepted [if they wish] by others.

Angels and demons, like, too. .....looking for 'homes', houses, to co-inhabit.

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And, oh yeah......

JaSin bot,

IMO, the content of many of your posts are still failing the Turing Test.

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Re: Where is, the 'exemplar' moslem majority nation ?
Reply #121 - Apr 6^th, 2019 at 10:33pm

Setanta wrote on Apr 6^th, 2019 at 8:59pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 6^th, 2019 at 3:21pm:

moses wrote on Apr 6^th, 2019 at 1:40pm:

karnal wrote:

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Nigeria's majority Christian. I had no idea they were at war.

So I'm curious. Where does all you terrorism happen?

You've not heard of Boko Haram or Jamā'at Ahl as-Sunnah lid-Da'wah wa'l-Jihād (ISWA) etc., in the present day war against islamic terrorism in Nigeria?

Not much, Moses, no.

You have. You get your news from Jihadwatch, no?

You prefer stuffing your fingers in your ears and lalalalaing, K? Either these things happen or they do not. Perhaps it's all fake news? Perhaps it's just too uncomfortable for your point of view.

I'm positively squeamish, Setanta. Do they have Jamā'at Ahl as-Sunnah lid-Da'wah wa'l-Jihād (ISWA) in your suburb?

The one on my street sounds much less exotic. The Granville Musselah.

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Re: Where is, the 'exemplar' moslem majority nation ?
Reply #122 - Apr 6^th, 2019 at 10:53pm

Karnal wrote on Apr 6^th, 2019 at 10:33pm:

Setanta wrote on Apr 6^th, 2019 at 8:59pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 6^th, 2019 at 3:21pm:

moses wrote on Apr 6^th, 2019 at 1:40pm:

karnal wrote:

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Nigeria's majority Christian. I had no idea they were at war.

So I'm curious. Where does all you terrorism happen?

You've not heard of Boko Haram or Jamā'at Ahl as-Sunnah lid-Da'wah wa'l-Jihād (ISWA) etc., in the present day war against islamic terrorism in Nigeria?

Not much, Moses, no.

You have. You get your news from Jihadwatch, no?

You prefer stuffing your fingers in your ears and lalalalaing, K? Either these things happen or they do not. Perhaps it's all fake news? Perhaps it's just too uncomfortable for your point of view.

I'm positively squeamish, Setanta. Do they have Jamā'at Ahl as-Sunnah lid-Da'wah wa'l-Jihād (ISWA) in your suburb?

The one on my street sounds much less exotic. The Granville Musselah.

We know you are K. We don't know why though. I think it might have something to do with your dance to defend Islam. After all, if it doesn't happen on your street, it doesn't matter. Hundreds of Africans, Europeans or others don't matter but 50 NZ Muzlims are the entire world of mattering. If they are not the right kind of tinted, even if they are as black as midnight, they don't matter. After all it's the tint of Islam that matters.

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Re: Where is, the 'exemplar' moslem majority nation ?
Reply #123 - Apr 6^th, 2019 at 11:50pm

Setanta wrote on Apr 6^th, 2019 at 10:53pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 6^th, 2019 at 10:33pm:

Setanta wrote on Apr 6^th, 2019 at 8:59pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 6^th, 2019 at 3:21pm:

moses wrote on Apr 6^th, 2019 at 1:40pm:

karnal wrote:

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Nigeria's majority Christian. I had no idea they were at war.

So I'm curious. Where does all you terrorism happen?

You've not heard of Boko Haram or Jamā'at Ahl as-Sunnah lid-Da'wah wa'l-Jihād (ISWA) etc., in the present day war against islamic terrorism in Nigeria?

Not much, Moses, no.

You have. You get your news from Jihadwatch, no?

You prefer stuffing your fingers in your ears and lalalalaing, K? Either these things happen or they do not. Perhaps it's all fake news? Perhaps it's just too uncomfortable for your point of view.

I'm positively squeamish, Setanta. Do they have Jamā'at Ahl as-Sunnah lid-Da'wah wa'l-Jihād (ISWA) in your suburb?

The one on my street sounds much less exotic. The Granville Musselah.

We know you are K. We don't know why though. I think it might have something to do with your dance to defend Islam. After all, if it doesn't happen on your street, it doesn't matter. Hundreds of Africans, Europeans or others don't matter but 50 NZ Muzlims are the entire world of mattering. If they are not the right kind of tinted, even if they are as black as midnight, they don't matter. After all it's the tint of Islam that matters.

Don't matter to who, Setanta?

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Re: Where is, the 'exemplar' moslem majority nation ?
Reply #124 - Apr 7^th, 2019 at 8:37am

ISLAM...

Karnal wrote on Apr 6^th, 2019 at 10:33pm:

Setanta wrote on Apr 6^th, 2019 at 8:59pm:

You prefer stuffing your fingers in your ears and lalalalaing, K?

Either these things happen or they do not.

Perhaps it's all fake news?

Perhaps it's just too uncomfortable for your point of view.

I'm positively squeamish, Setanta.

Do they have Jamā'at Ahl as-Sunnah lid-Da'wah wa'l-Jihād (ISWA) in your suburb?

The one on my street sounds much less exotic. The Granville Musselah.

Boko Haram, is ISLAM.

ISIS, is ISLAM.

The followers of ISLAM in Australia, are ISLAM.

The 'Granville Musselah' ?

If you have a mosque in your Australian suburb, ...THAT IS A PROBLEM.

Why so ?

Because in every mosque, 1/ they worship Allah, and 2/ they teach the tenets and laws and doctrines of ISLAM.

Q.
AT ITS CORE, what does ISLAM teach ???

ISLAM, AT ITS CORE, teaches the followers of ISLAM, to hold a never-ending and deep hatred, of all disbelievers.

And choosing to deny that truth, does not make untrue.

"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

Still, don't believe me ?

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A mosque, is where hatred is preached.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1554425807/0#0

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What is ISLAM?

look here.....

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1536141258/46#46

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1534830555/0#0

and here....

Yadda said....
The trouble, with allowing moslem migration
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1550183828/0#0

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IMAGE.....

These are a people, WHO DID NOT BUILD OUR NATIONS,
...but it is their intention to destroy everything, within our nations, which is non-ISLAM.

IMAGE.....

These are the people, whom our governments are,
allowing to live among us, and to walk past us, on our streets.

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ARGUMENT;
Those people [in the images above] are human sewage, EVERY ONE OF THEM.

Examine the signs and the placards which they are holding.

"[our] Jihad will continue..."

"[our] ISLAM will dominate the world..."

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Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1409991405/8#8
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Promoting and encouraging violent and unlawful acts is illegal.

We live in a country in which the people supposedly respect the rule of law.

Without widespread respect for the law of the land, we [our Australian society] would descend into being like Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Libya, Somalia, etc, etc - which is exactly what moslems are trying to achieve.

Moslems want to destroy all of the institutions in Australia, which help to maintain a peaceful and functioning society.

SUGGESTION;
If you live in Australia and you don't like what ISLAM promotes then you should contact your federal parliamentary representative - EXPLAIN TO HIM/HER WHY YOU DO NOT LIKE ISLAM AND MOSLEMS - and encourage your federal parliamentary representative to try to get ISLAM lawfully declared a proscribed [banned] group in Australia.

Act within the law.

Otherwise we are no better than moslems.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: Where is, the 'exemplar' moslem majority nation ?
Reply #125 - Apr 7^th, 2019 at 11:08am

ARGUMENT;

The doctrines and LAWS of ISLAM teach its followers,
that it is lawful to hate and to murder, any person who rejects ISLAM,
...to murder any person who does not believe, what a moslem believes.

And ISLAM encourages its followers to act upon those beliefs.

ARGUMENT;
Stating the above is not "HATE SPEECH".

IT IS THE TRUTH!

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"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

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WHAT THE MESSENGER OF ALLAH, MOHAMMED, SAID.....

ISLAMIC LAW TEXT....

"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06

ISLAMIC LAW TEXT....

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

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Re: Where is, the 'exemplar' moslem majority nation ?
Reply #126 - Apr 7^th, 2019 at 9:44pm

Yadda wrote on Apr 7^th, 2019 at 8:37am:

IMAGE.....
https://cdn.opendemocracy.net/files/imagecache/wysiwyg_imageupload_lightbox_pres...

These are a people, WHO DID NOT BUILD OUR NATIONS,
...but it is their intention to destroy everything, within our nations, which is non-ISLAM.

IMAGE.....
http://mylondondiary.co.uk/2013/11/29/20131129-d430.jpg

These are the people, whom our governments are,
allowing to live among us, and to walk past us, on our streets.

They do look evil.

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Re: Where is, the 'exemplar' moslem majority nation ?
Reply #127 - Apr 8^th, 2019 at 10:32am

freediver wrote on Apr 5^th, 2019 at 5:40pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 5^th, 2019 at 7:51am:

freediver wrote on Apr 4^th, 2019 at 8:13pm:

Sorry, I must have left that out.

Indonesia is a shithole of oppression, thanks to Islam. Ahok is a good example.

So, literally no actual argument then. Thanks for confirming

This post is a good snapshot of about 2 months of your posting on this subject: one inane, meaningless line that says nothing at all but apparently passes for an "argument", followed by 2 or 3 paragraphs of ad-hom, attacking the person not the argument, and falsely complaining about being misrepresented.

Are you removing parts of my post to alter the meaning so you can pretend I have no argument?

I think this is the third time in this thread you have asked me what my argument is, then ignored most or all of my response.

FD I literally quoted you word for word. Its under the bit called "freediver wrote..." Wink

Here it is again:

"Indonesia is a shithole of oppression, thanks to Islam. Ahok is a good example"

Thats it FD, thats your argument - all of it.

Ahok is not a good example, because you have made no connection whatsoever, no causal link between the case and Indonesian society being a "shithole of oppression". It is the only example you have ever come up with. And no, simply saying "there are others" without any elaboration doesn't count.

I think it comes down to 'it is because it is' and 'you are an apologist turd polisher if you think it isn't'. Anything else I missed? That of course is ignoring all the times you verballed me and hurled ad-homs. They don't count.

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Re: Where is, the 'exemplar' moslem majority nation ?
Reply #128 - Apr 8^th, 2019 at 12:36pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 8^th, 2019 at 10:32am:

freediver wrote on Apr 5^th, 2019 at 5:40pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 5^th, 2019 at 7:51am:

freediver wrote on Apr 4^th, 2019 at 8:13pm:

Sorry, I must have left that out.

Indonesia is a shithole of oppression, thanks to Islam. Ahok is a good example.

So, literally no actual argument then. Thanks for confirming

This post is a good snapshot of about 2 months of your posting on this subject: one inane, meaningless line that says nothing at all but apparently passes for an "argument", followed by 2 or 3 paragraphs of ad-hom, attacking the person not the argument, and falsely complaining about being misrepresented.

Are you removing parts of my post to alter the meaning so you can pretend I have no argument?

I think this is the third time in this thread you have asked me what my argument is, then ignored most or all of my response.

FD I literally quoted you word for word. Its under the bit called "freediver wrote..." Wink

Here it is again:

"Indonesia is a shithole of oppression, thanks to Islam. Ahok is a good example"

Thats it FD, thats your argument - all of it.

Ahok is not a good example, because you have made no connection whatsoever, no causal link between the case and Indonesian society being a "shithole of oppression". It is the only example you have ever come up with. And no, simply saying "there are others" without any elaboration doesn't count.

I think it comes down to 'it is because it is' and 'you are an apologist turd polisher if you think it isn't'. Anything else I missed? That of course is ignoring all the times you verballed me and hurled ad-homs. They don't count.

Intelligence and integrity, innit.

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Re: Where is, the 'exemplar' moslem majority nation ?
Reply #129 - Apr 8^th, 2019 at 4:06pm

Oppression of the kufir?

While the government tightens the country’s blasphemy laws, most problems for believers come from confrontations with radical Islamic groups. Some Islamic religious leaders instigate Christian persecution and hatred against Christians (and other religious minorities) through their teaching in mosques, but this occurs in the mass media and by politicians as well.

Muslim families regularly forbid their children to play with Christian friends. They are called infidels and are sometimes mocked by Islamic religious teachers and made to sit in the back row of the school classroom.

Indonesia’s Religious Minorities Under Threat
Police, Militant Islamists Implicated in Religious Freedom Abuses

More than half the incidents of religious intolerance – 140 – implicate government entities, including local government administrations and police. The most notorious example of religious intolerance was the complicity of Indonesian officials and police in the violent forced eviction of more than 7,000 members of the Gafatar religious community from their farms on Kalimantan island beginning in January 2016.

Seems to be alive and well in Indonesia.

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Re: Where is, the 'exemplar' moslem majority nation ?
Reply #130 - Apr 8^th, 2019 at 4:25pm

moses wrote on Apr 8^th, 2019 at 4:06pm:

Oppression of the kufir?

While the government tightens the country’s blasphemy laws, most problems for believers come from confrontations with radical Islamic groups. Some Islamic religious leaders instigate Christian persecution and hatred against Christians (and other religious minorities) through their teaching in mosques, but this occurs in the mass media and by politicians as well.

Muslim families regularly forbid their children to play with Christian friends. They are called infidels and are sometimes mocked by Islamic religious teachers and made to sit in the back row of the school classroom.

Indonesia’s Religious Minorities Under Threat
Police, Militant Islamists Implicated in Religious Freedom Abuses

More than half the incidents of religious intolerance – 140 – implicate government entities, including local government administrations and police. The most notorious example of religious intolerance was the complicity of Indonesian officials and police in the violent forced eviction of more than 7,000 members of the Gafatar religious community from their farms on Kalimantan island beginning in January 2016.

Seems to be alive and well in Indonesia.

It doesn't matter moses.

And that isn't gandalfs fault.

gandalf is one of 'the vast majority of muslims [who] are peaceful and tolerant towards non-muslims.'
....and, gandalf just happens to be living in a non-moslem majority, secular nation.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1418703040/1#1
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- I believe in a peaceful, tolerant islam

- the vast majority of muslims are peaceful and tolerant towards non-muslims.

But if gandalf was living in Indonesia, and he saw any discrimination, or religious persecution of Christians, he just wouldn't stand for it i tell you !

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Re: Where is, the 'exemplar' moslem majority nation ?
Reply #131 - Apr 8^th, 2019 at 6:34pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 8^th, 2019 at 10:32am:

freediver wrote on Apr 5^th, 2019 at 5:40pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 5^th, 2019 at 7:51am:

freediver wrote on Apr 4^th, 2019 at 8:13pm:

Sorry, I must have left that out.

Indonesia is a shithole of oppression, thanks to Islam. Ahok is a good example.

So, literally no actual argument then. Thanks for confirming

This post is a good snapshot of about 2 months of your posting on this subject: one inane, meaningless line that says nothing at all but apparently passes for an "argument", followed by 2 or 3 paragraphs of ad-hom, attacking the person not the argument, and falsely complaining about being misrepresented.

Are you removing parts of my post to alter the meaning so you can pretend I have no argument?

I think this is the third time in this thread you have asked me what my argument is, then ignored most or all of my response.

FD I literally quoted you word for word. Its under the bit called "freediver wrote..." Wink

Here it is again:

"Indonesia is a shithole of oppression, thanks to Islam. Ahok is a good example"

Thats it FD, thats your argument - all of it.

Ahok is not a good example, because you have made no connection whatsoever, no causal link between the case and Indonesian society being a "shithole of oppression". It is the only example you have ever come up with. And no, simply saying "there are others" without any elaboration doesn't count.

I think it comes down to 'it is because it is' and 'you are an apologist turd polisher if you think it isn't'. Anything else I missed? That of course is ignoring all the times you verballed me and hurled ad-homs. They don't count.

There were 4 paragraphs of argument in my response. You removed 3 of them and concluded I had no argument. This is typical. You have no response, so you pretend the words do not exist.

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