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Re: Where is, the 'exemplar' moslem majority nation ?
Reply #30 - Mar 20^th, 2019 at 9:47am

freediver wrote on Mar 19^th, 2019 at 9:27pm:

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That the gaoling of one person on a particular trumped up charge for obvious political purposes, necessarily means that Indonesia is a self-censoring "Islamofascist oppressive shithole".

Just one example of how you lie and misrepresent my argument. it seems now I cannot give an example of something without you trying to misrepresent it as the entirety of my argument. Another lie you told was that I claimed the law alone causes self censorship. Does Islam preclude holding two thoughts in your head at the same time?

It is the entirety of your argument FD. A huge logical leap based on a single incident. Not once did you mention any other evidence/examples of why Indonesia is a self censoring Islamofascist oppressive shithole.

I can but judge you only on what you say.

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Reply #31 - Mar 20^th, 2019 at 9:54am

Indonesian Islamic extremists being able to "say whatever they like":

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JAKARTA - A Muslim preacher was on Monday (April 9) sentenced to nine years in jail by an Indonesian court for inciting the suicide bombing in East Jakarta in May last year that killed three policemen.

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Inciting others to commit an act of terrorism is a crime in Indonesia punishable by death or life imprisonment.

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/indonesian-preacher-gets-nine-years-ja...

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #32 - Mar 20^th, 2019 at 1:22pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 20^th, 2019 at 9:47am:

freediver wrote on Mar 19^th, 2019 at 9:27pm:

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That the gaoling of one person on a particular trumped up charge for obvious political purposes, necessarily means that Indonesia is a self-censoring "Islamofascist oppressive shithole".

Just one example of how you lie and misrepresent my argument. it seems now I cannot give an example of something without you trying to misrepresent it as the entirety of my argument. Another lie you told was that I claimed the law alone causes self censorship. Does Islam preclude holding two thoughts in your head at the same time?

It is the entirety of your argument FD. A huge logical leap based on a single incident. Not once did you mention any other evidence/examples of why Indonesia is a self censoring Islamofascist oppressive shithole.

I can but judge you only on what you say.

It is not the entirety. It is just one example of you taking a fraction and lying about it being the entirety. In the very same thread you also claimed the entirety of my argument was that the blasphemy law alone causes self censorship. Then you claimed my argument was that every single Indonesian self censors.

This is what you carry on with in order to polish the turd of Islam. Constant misrepresentation rather than acknowledge the reality.

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Re: Where is, the 'exemplar' moslem majority nation ?
Reply #33 - Mar 20^th, 2019 at 2:23pm

freediver wrote on Mar 20^th, 2019 at 1:22pm:

In the very same thread you also claimed the entirety of my argument was that the blasphemy law alone causes self censorship.

Not the law FD, the case.

The case of the gaoling of Ahok alone = the entirety of your argument that Indonesians (without any qualification) self censor, and that Indonesia is therefore an oppressive Islamofascist shithole.

You didn't once present any other evidence for these sweeping (and plainly ridiculous) claims, despite promising me that there were other cases. I suspect because you were too distracted hurling abuse at me as an apologist and turd polisher. I can but judge you only on what you actually say.

I realise now you are sensitive about this frankly absurd argument of yours - now that it is laid out for you to see. Of course most of the discussion wasn't you presenting your argument, it was you hurling abuse at me as an apologiser for Islamofascists and turd polishers, and now the hilarious accusation that its actually me thats misrepresenting and failing to acknowledge reality. That was about 90% of the discussion, sadly.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49371 At my desk.	Re: Where is, the 'exemplar' moslem majority nation ? Reply #34 - Mar 20^th, 2019 at 9:11pm This was yet another of your versions of "my only argument is...". You tried several in the same thread. It's like you think refusing to understand reality will make it go away.
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Reply #35 - Mar 21^st, 2019 at 11:02am

freediver wrote on Mar 20^th, 2019 at 9:11pm:

This was yet another of your versions of "my only argument is...". You tried several in the same thread. It's like you think refusing to understand reality will make it go away.

One single case FD, thats all your argument is based on. I know you assured me there were others, but you never actually got round to citing any of them. I can but judge you only on what you actually say.

Perhaps you are thinking of the pages of ad-hominems falsely accusing me apologising for censorship, not understanding reality and being a turd polisher - and thinking that counts as part of your "argument"? It doesn't.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96400	Re: Where is, the 'exemplar' moslem majority nation ? Reply #36 - Mar 21^st, 2019 at 12:45pm No worries. Here's the perfect opportunity for FD to present his case. FD? On what other evidence do you base your judgement that Indonesia an Islamofascist shthole? Have you considered the Pew Survey? No Cute and Cuddly Malaysia this time, please. It's a different country.
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Reply #37 - Mar 21^st, 2019 at 1:15pm

Karnal wrote on Mar 21^st, 2019 at 12:45pm:

FD? On what other evidence do you base your judgement that Indonesia an Islamofascist shthole?

Now now K, FD shouldn't be expected to spoonfeed you what is so self evident. Its you who needs to provide a good reason why its *NOT* an Islamofascist shithole, doncha know?? Why are you so desperate to polish this turd? Do you always apologise for censorship, or only when it involves Islam? It's like you think refusing to understand reality will make it go away.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96400	Re: Where is, the 'exemplar' moslem majority nation ? Reply #38 - Mar 21^st, 2019 at 9:59pm Look, I'm sorry, G. I had no idea how insensitive I was being to decent white people everywhere. For heaven's sake, these people are tinted. He's right, FD. You post the Pew Survey's statistic on C&CM. We'll blame Islam and call it a day, okay?
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Reply #39 - Mar 24^th, 2019 at 12:58pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 21^st, 2019 at 11:02am:

freediver wrote on Mar 20^th, 2019 at 9:11pm:

This was yet another of your versions of "my only argument is...". You tried several in the same thread. It's like you think refusing to understand reality will make it go away.

One single case FD, thats all your argument is based on. I know you assured me there were others, but you never actually got round to citing any of them. I can but judge you only on what you actually say.

Perhaps you are thinking of the pages of ad-hominems falsely accusing me apologising for censorship, not understanding reality and being a turd polisher - and thinking that counts as part of your "argument"? It doesn't.

You also argued that my argument was based on the law alone. Another lie you told was that I argued that every single Indonesian was going to self censor. And I have already pointed out to you, as have others, that there are plenty of cases.

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Reply #40 - Mar 24^th, 2019 at 1:06pm

freediver wrote on Mar 24^th, 2019 at 12:58pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 21^st, 2019 at 11:02am:

freediver wrote on Mar 20^th, 2019 at 9:11pm:

This was yet another of your versions of "my only argument is...". You tried several in the same thread. It's like you think refusing to understand reality will make it go away.

One single case FD, thats all your argument is based on. I know you assured me there were others, but you never actually got round to citing any of them. I can but judge you only on what you actually say.

Perhaps you are thinking of the pages of ad-hominems falsely accusing me apologising for censorship, not understanding reality and being a turd polisher - and thinking that counts as part of your "argument"? It doesn't.

You also argued that my argument was based on the law alone. Another lie you told was that I argued that every single Indonesian was going to self censor. And I have already pointed out to you, as have others, that there are plenty of cases.

Cases?

Shurely shome mishtake.

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Re: Where is, the 'exemplar' moslem majority nation ?
Reply #41 - Mar 26^th, 2019 at 9:12am

freediver wrote on Mar 24^th, 2019 at 12:58pm:

And I have already pointed out to you, as have others, that there are plenty of cases.

Assuring me there are cases without any references is not a substitute for actual evidence FD. The fact remains your entire argument is based only on a single case and nothing more (apart from all the ad-homs and strawmen).

I can but judge you only on what you actually say.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #42 - Mar 26^th, 2019 at 6:32pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 26^th, 2019 at 9:12am:

freediver wrote on Mar 24^th, 2019 at 12:58pm:

And I have already pointed out to you, as have others, that there are plenty of cases.

Assuring me there are cases without any references is not a substitute for actual evidence FD. The fact remains your entire argument is based only on a single case and nothing more (apart from all the ad-homs and strawmen).

I can but judge you only on what you actually say.

I said there were multiple cases.Other people have said there were multiple cases. You constantly misrepresent what I actually say. Indonesia, your 'exemplar' muslim majority nation, is yet another shithole of oppression, thanks to Islam, and all you can offer in response is failure to understand every single thing that is said to you.

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Reply #43 - Mar 26^th, 2019 at 8:48pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 26^th, 2019 at 9:12am:

freediver wrote on Mar 24^th, 2019 at 12:58pm:

And I have already pointed out to you, as have others, that there are plenty of cases.

Assuring me there are cases without any references is not a substitute for actual evidence FD. The fact remains your entire argument is based only on a single case and nothing more (apart from all the ad-homs and strawmen).

I can but judge you only on what you actually say.

Islam is the reason and justification for whatever oppression there is in these countries - Indonesia, Malaysia, the rest. .

Show us any non-Islamic oppression and you may have a point. Until then you don't.

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