freediver wrote on Mar 29
th, 2019 at 12:32pm:
Did you ever explain what evidence you might accept? Does quoting people not saying things count?
surveys asking how open muslims are to different opinions on Islam, or their view of blasphemy laws - or even any surveys done in the wake of Ahok's gaoling as to how influential it was in determining how they publicly discuss Islam. That would be the most obvious way.
But you could also reference political representation in Indonesia as something resembling an indicative snapshot of society (and by extension their attitudes). Naturally though you will wisely steer clear of this one - as the Islamist extremists are resoundingly rejected in all spheres of Indonesian politics, in favour of secular parties.
It should be obvious that what is not acceptable for any kind of coherent argument, is to simply cite a single high profile example of someone being censored and declare that as the only thing required to prove the entire society is a self-censoring Islamofascist shithole.
freediver wrote on Mar 29
th, 2019 at 12:32pm:
It was an example Gandalf.
Thats called evidence FD. Thats how you conduct an argument - by backing up your claims with evidence, in this case an example. In case you are still unclear, this is the only attempt at evidence you have actually produced - and in fact isn't evidence at all, since you never linked the gaoling to any demonstrated behaviour of Indonesians society wide.
freediver wrote on Mar 29
th, 2019 at 12:32pm:
Just as this is but one example of the various BS "extent of my argument" claims you have made, all in some quixotic attempt to avoid addressing the reality that Indonesia, your 'exemplar' muslim majority nation, is yet another shithole of oppression
Ah is that what you call it? Pointing out that you literally have nothing but a single high profile case (example) to substantiate your claim that Indonesia is a "shithole of oppression" - is a "quixotic attempt to avoid addressing the reality".
FD did you notice that your last 7 replies have consisted of nothing but "you're lying gandalf, so unfair you misrepresent me" - but not offering any refutation to the simple fact that this "argument" is indeed based on a single example? Its like you really really need to object to what I say - but don't actually have anything to refute. Strange.