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Where is, the 'exemplar' moslem majority nation ? (Read 24109 times)
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Re: Where is, the 'exemplar' moslem majority nation ?
Reply #45 - Mar 27th, 2019 at 6:57am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 26th, 2019 at 10:35pm:

Christianity is the reason and justification for whatever oppression there is in these countries - the USA, Australia, the UK,  the rest.


Show us any Christian oppression and there is a point.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes




So says, a person who proudly claims he has studied to receive a Doctorate (PhD) of Divinity no less
"...I do have a Doctor of Divinity"  CORRECTION, Yadda.


http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1487646898/242#242
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......I do have a Doctor of Divinity.   And guess, what, we studied Christianity, extensively.




Perhaps brian is an advisor to Pappa Francis ???

Its not that far fetched.

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And another poster, greggery, also made a 'claim', here on OzPol.

In 2016, he made a firm commitment to all other posters, that he would not post again on OzPol [he would leave OzPol], if DJ Trump were elected president of the U.S.A.  [so confident he was, that DJ Trump had no chance.]

Strangely, greggery, never did leave OzPol, and still posts here almost every day.              ????????

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1473874288/212#212



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Exemplary moslems [imo], both of them.

Its a duck.

Quack, quack.




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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Re: Where is, the 'exemplar' moslem majority nation ?
Reply #46 - Mar 27th, 2019 at 1:25pm
 
Yadda wrote on Mar 27th, 2019 at 6:57am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 26th, 2019 at 10:35pm:

Christianity is the reason and justification for whatever oppression there is in these countries - the USA, Australia, the UK,  the rest.


Show us any Christian oppression and there is a point.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes




So says, a person who proudly claims he has studied to receive a Doctorate (PhD) of Divinity no less.


No, I don't, Yadda.  A Doctor of Divinity is a lower rank than a PhD.   Time to catch up with the meaning of post-nominal qualifications, laddie.    Roll Eyes
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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #47 - Mar 27th, 2019 at 1:35pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 27th, 2019 at 1:25pm:
Yadda wrote on Mar 27th, 2019 at 6:57am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 26th, 2019 at 10:35pm:

Christianity is the reason and justification for whatever oppression there is in these countries - the USA, Australia, the UK,  the rest.


Show us any Christian oppression and there is a point.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes




So says, a person who proudly claims he has studied to receive a Doctorate (PhD) of Divinity no less.


No, I don't, Yadda.  A Doctor of Divinity is a lower rank than a PhD.   Time to catch up with the meaning of postnumeral qualifications, laddie.    Roll Eyes


It’s post-nominal ya dickhead.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #48 - Mar 27th, 2019 at 4:17pm
 
Secret Wars wrote on Mar 27th, 2019 at 1:35pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 27th, 2019 at 1:25pm:
Yadda wrote on Mar 27th, 2019 at 6:57am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 26th, 2019 at 10:35pm:

Christianity is the reason and justification for whatever oppression there is in these countries - the USA, Australia, the UK,  the rest.


Show us any Christian oppression and there is a point.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes




So says, a person who proudly claims he has studied to receive a Doctorate (PhD) of Divinity no less.


No, I don't, Yadda.  A Doctor of Divinity is a lower rank than a PhD.   Time to catch up with the meaning of postnumeral qualifications, laddie.    Roll Eyes


It’s post-nominal ya dickhead.  Roll Eyes


Bugger, you're right.  I apologise.  I will now correct the error in the original post.  Silly me, hey?   Roll Eyes
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Reply #49 - Mar 27th, 2019 at 6:43pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 27th, 2019 at 4:17pm:
Silly me, hey?   Roll Eyes



Like you haven't been told for years.....
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Re: Where is, the 'exemplar' moslem majority nation ?
Reply #50 - Mar 28th, 2019 at 11:47am
 
freediver wrote on Mar 26th, 2019 at 6:32pm:
I said there were multiple cases.


Indeed you did. I'm wondering what point you are attempting to make here though.

If you think simply saying "The people in this country universally behave like this because stuff happened - multiple times" - is an actual argument, then I'm afraid you are sorely mistaken.
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Reply #51 - Mar 28th, 2019 at 12:54pm
 
Frank wrote on Mar 26th, 2019 at 8:48pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 26th, 2019 at 9:12am:
freediver wrote on Mar 24th, 2019 at 12:58pm:
And I have already pointed out to you, as have others, that there are plenty of cases.


Assuring me there are cases without any references is not a substitute for actual evidence FD. The fact remains your entire argument is based only on a single case and nothing more (apart from all the ad-homs and strawmen).

I can but judge you only on what you actually say.



Islam is the reason and justification for whatever oppression there is in these countries - Indonesia, Malaysia, the rest. .


Show us any non-Islamic oppression and you may have a point. Until then you don't.



Malays are not a race.
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Reply #52 - Mar 28th, 2019 at 9:43pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 28th, 2019 at 11:47am:
freediver wrote on Mar 26th, 2019 at 6:32pm:
I said there were multiple cases.


Indeed you did. I'm wondering what point you are attempting to make here though.

If you think simply saying "The people in this country universally behave like this because stuff happened - multiple times" - is an actual argument, then I'm afraid you are sorely mistaken.


My point is that you lied. I have to make it repeatedly because you have done little else than misrepresent my argument. I'm guessing now you will misrepresent this as the extent of my argument.

Indonesia, your 'exemplar' muslim majority nation, is yet another shithole of oppression, thanks to Islam, and all you can offer in response is failure to understand every single thing that is said to you.
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Re: Where is, the 'exemplar' moslem majority nation ?
Reply #53 - Mar 28th, 2019 at 9:45pm
 
Karnal wrote on Mar 28th, 2019 at 12:54pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 26th, 2019 at 8:48pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 26th, 2019 at 9:12am:
freediver wrote on Mar 24th, 2019 at 12:58pm:
And I have already pointed out to you, as have others, that there are plenty of cases.


Assuring me there are cases without any references is not a substitute for actual evidence FD. The fact remains your entire argument is based only on a single case and nothing more (apart from all the ad-homs and strawmen).

I can but judge you only on what you actually say.



Islam is the reason and justification for whatever oppression there is in these countries - Indonesia, Malaysia, the rest. .


Show us any non-Islamic oppression and you may have a point. Until then you don't.



Malays are not a race.
You better let them know then, because not only do they consider themselves a race they have laws which perpetuate that belief. Google bumiputra.
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Re: Where is, the 'exemplar' moslem majority nation ?
Reply #54 - Mar 29th, 2019 at 7:57am
 
freediver wrote on Mar 28th, 2019 at 9:43pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 28th, 2019 at 11:47am:
freediver wrote on Mar 26th, 2019 at 6:32pm:
I said there were multiple cases.


Indeed you did. I'm wondering what point you are attempting to make here though.

If you think simply saying "The people in this country universally behave like this because stuff happened - multiple times" - is an actual argument, then I'm afraid you are sorely mistaken.


My point is that you lied. I have to make it repeatedly because you have done little else than misrepresent my argument. I'm guessing now you will misrepresent this as the extent of my argument.

Indonesia, your 'exemplar' muslim majority nation, is yet another shithole of oppression, thanks to Islam, and all you can offer in response is failure to understand every single thing that is said to you.


FD you spent about 10 pages accusing me of supporting Islamofascists and apologising for censorship and attempting to put a positive spin on the gaoling of Ahok - all because I dared asked for evidence for your claim that Indonesians universally self censor and that the entire country is an Islamofascist shithole. You not only misrepresented me, you did it as part of your usual ad-hominem game of attacking the person, not the argument. You continue to do it now.

So I hardly think you are in any position to play the poor victim of misrepresentation here.

Also, that one case was the extent of your argument. Saying 'oh but I casually said there were other cases' (without actually citing any) - does not change this fact one iota.

To summarise FD's argument:

- Indonesia cannot possibly have any healthy free market of religious debate - because of Ahok
- Indonesia is in fact an Islamofascist shithole because people self-censor en masse - because of Ahok
- Islamic extremists can say whatever they like about Islam (laughable) - presumably because of Ahok
- don't accuse me of basing all this only because of Ahok - because there are other cases - I just won't cite any.

The above constitutes about 5% of what you have written in this inane topic. The other 95% has been the usual ad-hominem against the resident muslim - consisting of the most outrageous misrepresentation of me as a supporter of Islamofascism and apologiser of censorship.
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Re: Where is, the 'exemplar' moslem majority nation ?
Reply #55 - Mar 29th, 2019 at 8:00am
 
rhino wrote on Mar 28th, 2019 at 9:45pm:
Karnal wrote on Mar 28th, 2019 at 12:54pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 26th, 2019 at 8:48pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 26th, 2019 at 9:12am:
freediver wrote on Mar 24th, 2019 at 12:58pm:
And I have already pointed out to you, as have others, that there are plenty of cases.


Assuring me there are cases without any references is not a substitute for actual evidence FD. The fact remains your entire argument is based only on a single case and nothing more (apart from all the ad-homs and strawmen).

I can but judge you only on what you actually say.



Islam is the reason and justification for whatever oppression there is in these countries - Indonesia, Malaysia, the rest. .


Show us any non-Islamic oppression and you may have a point. Until then you don't.



Malays are not a race.
You better let them know then, because not only do they consider themselves a race they have laws which perpetuate that belief. Google bumiputra.


He is being ironic.
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Reply #56 - Mar 29th, 2019 at 12:32pm
 
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FD you spent about 10 pages accusing me of supporting Islamofascists and apologising for censorship and attempting to put a positive spin on the gaoling of Ahok - all because I dared asked for evidence for your claim that Indonesians universally self censor and that the entire country is an Islamofascist shithole.


Asking for evidence is absurd enough as it is, as if putting people in jail for blasphemy might not lead to self censorship. But you did go further than that, arguing that it would not.

Did you ever explain what evidence you might accept? Does quoting people not saying things count?

You polish, so that others may eat.

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Also, that one case was the extent of your argument.


There you go again, misrepresenting my argument. It was an example Gandalf. Just as this is but one example of the various BS "extent of my argument" claims you have made, all in some quixotic attempt to avoid addressing the reality that Indonesia, your 'exemplar' muslim majority nation, is yet another shithole of oppression, thanks to Islam, and all you can offer in response is failure to understand every single thing that is said to you.
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Reply #57 - Mar 29th, 2019 at 2:18pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2019 at 12:32pm:
Did you ever explain what evidence you might accept? Does quoting people not saying things count?


surveys asking how open muslims are to different opinions on Islam, or their view of blasphemy laws - or even any surveys done in the wake of Ahok's gaoling as to how influential it was in determining how they publicly discuss Islam. That would be the most obvious way.

But you could also reference political representation in Indonesia as something resembling an indicative snapshot of society (and by extension their attitudes). Naturally though you will wisely steer clear of this one - as the Islamist extremists are resoundingly rejected in all spheres of Indonesian politics, in favour of secular parties.

It should be obvious that what is not acceptable for any kind of coherent argument, is to simply cite a single high profile example of someone being censored and declare that as the only thing required to prove the entire society is a self-censoring Islamofascist shithole.

freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2019 at 12:32pm:
It was an example Gandalf.


Thats called evidence FD. Thats how you conduct an argument - by backing up your claims with evidence, in this case an example. In case you are still unclear, this is the only attempt at evidence you have actually produced - and in fact isn't evidence at all, since you never linked the gaoling to any demonstrated behaviour of Indonesians society wide.

freediver wrote on Mar 29th, 2019 at 12:32pm:
Just as this is but one example of the various BS "extent of my argument" claims you have made, all in some quixotic attempt to avoid addressing the reality that Indonesia, your 'exemplar' muslim majority nation, is yet another shithole of oppression


Ah is that what you call it? Pointing out that you literally have nothing but a single high profile case (example) to substantiate your claim that Indonesia is a "shithole of oppression" - is a "quixotic attempt to avoid addressing the reality".

FD did you notice that your last 7 replies have consisted of nothing but "you're lying gandalf, so unfair you misrepresent me" - but not offering any refutation to the simple fact that this "argument" is indeed based on a single example? Its like you really really need to object to what I say - but don't actually have anything to refute. Strange.
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Reply #58 - Mar 29th, 2019 at 4:19pm
 
When you think about it, the best thing to ever happen to Europe was their own stupidy in dealing with the muslim refugee problem.

The hard core leftards in Europe are now faced with the facts of islamic rape thieving and murder in their homeland.

It is coming as sure as the sun comes up in the east, one day the world will turn on islam and demand it be purged of the depravity in its' doctrine.
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Reply #59 - Mar 29th, 2019 at 7:46pm
 
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surveys asking how open muslims are to different opinions on Islam, or their view of blasphemy laws - or even any surveys done in the wake of Ahok's gaoling as to how influential it was in determining how they publicly discuss Islam


So the only evidence you would accept is evidence that does not exist?

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But you could also reference political representation in Indonesia as something resembling an indicative snapshot of society (and by extension their attitudes).


WTF would that prove?
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