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Re: Where is, the 'exemplar' moslem majority nation ?
Reply #75 - Apr 2^nd, 2019 at 12:43pm

freediver wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2019 at 12:07pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2019 at 8:23am:

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2019 at 8:04pm:

People self censoring after others get jailed for blasphemy is stating the bleeding obvious Gandalf

No really it isn't FD. For all the reasons I've stated before.

You can start with how many Indonesians are actually even aware of this case? And of those how many are smart enough to understand the cynicism of it?

Why would they not be aware of it Gandalf?

Yes, G, you show FD which Indonesians aren't aware of it.

And stop bringing up the Pew Survey, please. You're only supposed to quote figures on Cute and Cuddly Malaysia.

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Re: Where is, the 'exemplar' moslem majority nation ?
Reply #76 - Apr 2^nd, 2019 at 12:47pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2019 at 12:41pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2019 at 12:07pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2019 at 8:23am:

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2019 at 8:04pm:

People self censoring after others get jailed for blasphemy is stating the bleeding obvious Gandalf

No really it isn't FD. For all the reasons I've stated before.

You can start with how many Indonesians are actually even aware of this case? And of those how many are smart enough to understand the cynicism of it?

Why would they not be aware of it Gandalf?

Because Indonesia is still basically a third world country with limited access to news broadcasts. Its not like it was the President of Indonesia.

I'll wager the case got more coverage in Australia than it did there.

It's also an archipelago with over 300 languages. Java is just one of 17,508 Islands.

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Re: Where is, the 'exemplar' moslem majority nation ?
Reply #77 - Apr 2^nd, 2019 at 8:11pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2019 at 12:41pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2019 at 12:07pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2019 at 8:23am:

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2019 at 8:04pm:

People self censoring after others get jailed for blasphemy is stating the bleeding obvious Gandalf

No really it isn't FD. For all the reasons I've stated before.

You can start with how many Indonesians are actually even aware of this case? And of those how many are smart enough to understand the cynicism of it?

Why would they not be aware of it Gandalf?

Because Indonesia is still basically a third world country with limited access to news broadcasts. Its not like it was the President of Indonesia.

I'll wager the case got more coverage in Australia than it did there.

So despite being a shithole of oppression, Indonesia is redeemed by being a third world country in which the subsistence Islanders are blissfully unaware of the creeping Islamofascism in their own country?

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Re: Where is, the 'exemplar' moslem majority nation ?
Reply #78 - Apr 2^nd, 2019 at 8:51pm

freediver wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2019 at 8:11pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2019 at 12:41pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2019 at 12:07pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2019 at 8:23am:

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2019 at 8:04pm:

People self censoring after others get jailed for blasphemy is stating the bleeding obvious Gandalf

No really it isn't FD. For all the reasons I've stated before.

You can start with how many Indonesians are actually even aware of this case? And of those how many are smart enough to understand the cynicism of it?

Why would they not be aware of it Gandalf?

Because Indonesia is still basically a third world country with limited access to news broadcasts. Its not like it was the President of Indonesia.

I'll wager the case got more coverage in Australia than it did there.

So despite being a shithole of oppression, Indonesia is redeemed by being a third world country in which the subsistence Islanders are blissfully unaware of the creeping Islamofascism in their own country?

You got it. Arguing with Muslims like Gandalf is like handling eels in oil. Dishonesty is their opening gambit followed by endless deception and dishonesty. And it's all Koranic so it's superior lying.

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Re: Where is, the 'exemplar' moslem majority nation ?
Reply #79 - Apr 2^nd, 2019 at 10:58pm

Frank wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2019 at 8:51pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2019 at 8:11pm:

So despite being a shithole of oppression, Indonesia is redeemed by being a third world country in which the subsistence Islanders are blissfully unaware of the creeping Islamofascism in their own country?

You got it.

Arguing with Muslims like Gandalf is like handling eels in oil.

Dishonesty is their opening gambit followed by endless deception and dishonesty.

And it's all Koranic so it's superior lying.

So Frank,

Did mention, that i was a collector of quotes ! ? Wink

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Re: Where is, the 'exemplar' moslem majority nation ?
Reply #80 - Apr 3^rd, 2019 at 9:43am

freediver wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2019 at 8:11pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2019 at 12:41pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2019 at 12:07pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2019 at 8:23am:

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2019 at 8:04pm:

People self censoring after others get jailed for blasphemy is stating the bleeding obvious Gandalf

No really it isn't FD. For all the reasons I've stated before.

You can start with how many Indonesians are actually even aware of this case? And of those how many are smart enough to understand the cynicism of it?

Why would they not be aware of it Gandalf?

Because Indonesia is still basically a third world country with limited access to news broadcasts. Its not like it was the President of Indonesia.

I'll wager the case got more coverage in Australia than it did there.

So despite being a shithole of oppression, Indonesia is redeemed by being a third world country in which the subsistence Islanders are blissfully unaware of the creeping Islamofascism in their own country?

*sniff sniff* whats that? Smells like straw...

You are not disagreeing with the actual point I am making - nor even addressing it.

You have made no case whatsoever for why one regional incident necessarily had such a significant effect on self censorship across the vast entirety of Indonesian society, as massive and disparate as it is, and how difficult communication must be between it.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Where is, the 'exemplar' moslem majority nation ?
Reply #81 - Apr 3^rd, 2019 at 10:00am

Frank wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2019 at 8:51pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2019 at 8:11pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2019 at 12:41pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2019 at 12:07pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2019 at 8:23am:

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2019 at 8:04pm:

People self censoring after others get jailed for blasphemy is stating the bleeding obvious Gandalf

No really it isn't FD. For all the reasons I've stated before.

You can start with how many Indonesians are actually even aware of this case? And of those how many are smart enough to understand the cynicism of it?

Why would they not be aware of it Gandalf?

Because Indonesia is still basically a third world country with limited access to news broadcasts. Its not like it was the President of Indonesia.

I'll wager the case got more coverage in Australia than it did there.

So despite being a shithole of oppression, Indonesia is redeemed by being a third world country in which the subsistence Islanders are blissfully unaware of the creeping Islamofascism in their own country?

You got it. Arguing with Muslims like Gandalf is like handling eels in oil. Dishonesty is their opening gambit followed by endless deception and dishonesty. And it's all Koranic so it's superior lying.

Which of course is a dilemma that will never affect you Frank - since you don't partake in any actual arguments - you just respond to everything with your "never ever" scripts, sprinkled in with healthy doses of personal insults.

Which is a shame really, you're obviously capable of far better...

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #82 - Apr 3^rd, 2019 at 6:32pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2019 at 10:00am:

Frank wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2019 at 8:51pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2019 at 8:11pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2019 at 12:41pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2019 at 12:07pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2019 at 8:23am:

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2019 at 8:04pm:

People self censoring after others get jailed for blasphemy is stating the bleeding obvious Gandalf

No really it isn't FD. For all the reasons I've stated before.

You can start with how many Indonesians are actually even aware of this case? And of those how many are smart enough to understand the cynicism of it?

Why would they not be aware of it Gandalf?

Because Indonesia is still basically a third world country with limited access to news broadcasts. Its not like it was the President of Indonesia.

I'll wager the case got more coverage in Australia than it did there.

So despite being a shithole of oppression, Indonesia is redeemed by being a third world country in which the subsistence Islanders are blissfully unaware of the creeping Islamofascism in their own country?

You got it. Arguing with Muslims like Gandalf is like handling eels in oil. Dishonesty is their opening gambit followed by endless deception and dishonesty. And it's all Koranic so it's superior lying.

Which of course is a dilemma that will never affect you Frank - since you don't partake in any actual arguments - you just respond to everything with your "never ever" scripts, sprinkled in with healthy doses of personal insults.

Which is a shame really, you're obviously capable of far better...

I take Islam to be the manifestation of Muslims's actions, not your weaselly dishonest words.

Muslims' actions condemn Islam and you words, no matter how often repeated, cannot whitewash Islam.

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Re: Where is, the 'exemplar' moslem majority nation ?
Reply #83 - Apr 3^rd, 2019 at 7:35pm

Frank wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2019 at 6:32pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2019 at 10:00am:

Frank wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2019 at 8:51pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2019 at 8:11pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2019 at 12:41pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2019 at 12:07pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2019 at 8:23am:

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2019 at 8:04pm:

People self censoring after others get jailed for blasphemy is stating the bleeding obvious Gandalf

No really it isn't FD. For all the reasons I've stated before.

You can start with how many Indonesians are actually even aware of this case? And of those how many are smart enough to understand the cynicism of it?

Why would they not be aware of it Gandalf?

Because Indonesia is still basically a third world country with limited access to news broadcasts. Its not like it was the President of Indonesia.

I'll wager the case got more coverage in Australia than it did there.

So despite being a shithole of oppression, Indonesia is redeemed by being a third world country in which the subsistence Islanders are blissfully unaware of the creeping Islamofascism in their own country?

You got it. Arguing with Muslims like Gandalf is like handling eels in oil. Dishonesty is their opening gambit followed by endless deception and dishonesty. And it's all Koranic so it's superior lying.

Which of course is a dilemma that will never affect you Frank - since you don't partake in any actual arguments - you just respond to everything with your "never ever" scripts, sprinkled in with healthy doses of personal insults.

Which is a shame really, you're obviously capable of far better...

I take Islam to be the manifestation of Muslims's actions, not your weaselly dishonest words.

There you go, G. I think we know who the REAL Moslem is here, no?

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 47592 Gender:	Re: Where is, the 'exemplar' moslem majority nation ? Reply #84 - Apr 3^rd, 2019 at 7:44pm madly dogmatic, murderous. No room for 'well, on the other hand'. Shoot, slash. Reverent Islam is a psychotic state. To be a fully signed up Muslim is to be a psychotic. Same for Cathlolics, of curse. And Hindus and Buddhists and Jews. Madness.
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Reply #85 - Apr 3^rd, 2019 at 7:59pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2019 at 9:43am:

freediver wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2019 at 8:11pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2019 at 12:41pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2019 at 12:07pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2019 at 8:23am:

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2019 at 8:04pm:

People self censoring after others get jailed for blasphemy is stating the bleeding obvious Gandalf

No really it isn't FD. For all the reasons I've stated before.

You can start with how many Indonesians are actually even aware of this case? And of those how many are smart enough to understand the cynicism of it?

Why would they not be aware of it Gandalf?

Because Indonesia is still basically a third world country with limited access to news broadcasts. Its not like it was the President of Indonesia.

I'll wager the case got more coverage in Australia than it did there.

So despite being a shithole of oppression, Indonesia is redeemed by being a third world country in which the subsistence Islanders are blissfully unaware of the creeping Islamofascism in their own country?

*sniff sniff* whats that? Smells like straw...

You are not disagreeing with the actual point I am making - nor even addressing it.

You have made no case whatsoever for why one regional incident necessarily had such a significant effect on self censorship across the vast entirety of Indonesian society, as massive and disparate as it is, and how difficult communication must be between it.

Why would you describe the jailing of the governor of Indonesia's capital city as a "regional incident"? The city has 10 million people - roughly half of Australia's population.

Do they have telephones in Indonesia? How about televisions and radios?

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Re: Where is, the 'exemplar' moslem majority nation ?
Reply #86 - Apr 3^rd, 2019 at 11:04pm

Frank wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2019 at 7:44pm:

madly dogmatic, murderous.

No room for 'well, on the other hand'.

Shoot, slash.

Reverent Islam is a psychotic state. To be a fully signed up Muslim is to be a psychotic.

Same for Cathlolics, of curse. And Hindus and Buddhists and Jews.

Madness.

They're tinted.

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Reply #87 - Apr 4^th, 2019 at 9:03am

freediver wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2019 at 7:59pm:

The city has 10 million people - roughly half of Australia's population.

The country has over 260 million people, roughly 10 times Australia's population.

Do you think all of them, or even most of them had their eyes glued to the TV watching the Ahok trial? Roughly what percentage of the country even knew about it? Interesting you refuse to even address this rather pertinent question.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #89 - Apr 4^th, 2019 at 9:19am

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 4^th, 2019 at 9:06am:

Frank wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2019 at 6:32pm:

I take Islam to be the manifestation of Muslims's actions,

Thats true Frank - if by "muslim's actions" you mean a tiny minority of Muslim's actions.

A 'tiny minority' of moslems, seeking to fight and kill infidels ?

Yeah gandalf, what harm, can a 'tiny minority', A HANDFUL, of moslems do, to us infidels ?

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And three drops of sewage, put into a clean glass of water won't hurt you if you drink it.

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"IMO, if we join what is precious with what is vile, we do not in that act, 'improve' that which is vile.

We merely corrupt that which is precious.....

.....e.g.
I have two buckets.
The first bucket is full of clean, fresh water.
The second bucket is full of sewage.

Q.
If i pour both buckets into a third container, what do i get?

A.
A third container, full of diluted sewage.

Conclusion?
While i could safely drink from the 1st bucket, i could *not* safely drink from the 2nd bucket, or the 3rd container.

So it is with evil, that is 'tolerated' by good people.

No matter how many times we repeat the phrase, "Tolerance is good.",
...our tolerance of what is clearly evil, is not a virtue.

It is a process, a progression."