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Re: Where is, the 'exemplar' moslem majority nation ?
Reply #90 - Apr 4^th, 2019 at 11:14am

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 4^th, 2019 at 9:06am:

Frank wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2019 at 6:32pm:

I take Islam to be the manifestation of Muslims's actions,

Thats true Frank - if by "muslim's actions" you mean a tiny minority of Muslim's actions.

A tiny minority of Muslims, Hindoos and Buddhists.

Not Christians and Joos. Oh, no.

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Reply #91 - Apr 4^th, 2019 at 12:31pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 4^th, 2019 at 9:03am:

freediver wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2019 at 7:59pm:

The city has 10 million people - roughly half of Australia's population.

The country has over 260 million people, roughly 10 times Australia's population.

Do you think all of them, or even most of them had their eyes glued to the TV watching the Ahok trial? Roughly what percentage of the country even knew about it? Interesting you refuse to even address this rather pertinent question.

What I think is that you were lying when you argued they would not even be aware of it. Don't try to pretend that I must be taking an opposite but equally misleading position to you just because I pull you up on your lies.

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Reply #92 - Apr 4^th, 2019 at 12:52pm

freediver wrote on Apr 4^th, 2019 at 12:31pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 4^th, 2019 at 9:03am:

freediver wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2019 at 7:59pm:

The city has 10 million people - roughly half of Australia's population.

The country has over 260 million people, roughly 10 times Australia's population.

Do you think all of them, or even most of them had their eyes glued to the TV watching the Ahok trial? Roughly what percentage of the country even knew about it? Interesting you refuse to even address this rather pertinent question.

What I think is that you were lying when you argued they would not even be aware of it. Don't try to pretend that I must be taking an opposite but equally misleading position to you just because I pull you up on your lies.

Have you considered a look at the polls, FD?

Perhaps the Pew Survey might have something.

That's a question.

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Reply #93 - Apr 4^th, 2019 at 1:21pm

freediver wrote on Apr 4^th, 2019 at 12:31pm:

What I think is that you were lying when you argued they would not even be aware of it. Don't try to pretend that I must be taking an opposite but equally misleading position to you just because I pull you up on your lies.

So what position are you taking FD? Apart from taking the opportunity in every single post to accuse me of lying and hurling vitriolic ad-hominem, we really haven't heard much of an actual argument.

This might be a good opportunity for you to explain what point you were actually trying to make when you referred to Jakarta's population and insisted its more than a mere 'region'. It seemed to be as a counterpoint to my scepticism about how influential this one case was on self censorship throughout Indonesia. You *SEEMED* to be implying that the influence must be substantial, given the prominence and size of Jakarta.

Yet when I ask you to clarify further how influential you think it was, I get the usual "you're lying" routine. If only you could be less defensive and actually engage in a proper civil discussion.

So perhaps you can have another go... exactly what were trying to point out when you responded to my scepticism about the case's influence on wider Indonesia society, by pointing out that it happened in a city with about 3% of Indonesia's vast and disparate population?

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96412	Re: Where is, the 'exemplar' moslem majority nation ? Reply #94 - Apr 4^th, 2019 at 4:00pm But answer my question first, FD. We're waiting.
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Re: Where is, the 'exemplar' moslem majority nation ?
Reply #95 - Apr 4^th, 2019 at 5:14pm

Worth hearing:
https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/religionandethicsreport/religious-identity-and-indoneisa-election/10966972

Indonesians are in the final fortnight of their election campaign.
President Joko Widodo – also known Jokowi – is in a re-run against his old rival Prabowo Subianto
And this time their contest has a pronounced religious tone.

Once a hero of liberals, Jowkowi has now named an Islamic preacher as his running mate.

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Reply #96 - Apr 4^th, 2019 at 5:49pm

Karnal wrote on Apr 4^th, 2019 at 11:14am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 4^th, 2019 at 9:06am:

Frank wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2019 at 6:32pm:

I take Islam to be the manifestation of Muslims's actions,

Thats true Frank - if by "muslim's actions" you mean a tiny minority of Muslim's actions.

A tiny minority of Muslims, Hindoos and Buddhists.

Not Christians and Joos. Oh, no.

The 'vast majority' is content to bide its time. Happy to enter Western countries and out-breed them over a couple of generations. A slower route to the caliphate but nevertheless Islamic domination is the aim of the minority and the majority. Being open, democratic is not the aim of either - they would work on that in their own countries and communities if it was. They don't because it isn't. No room for that under Submission.

Submission has always been an expansionist creed aiming for complete domination over the world. They are doing it demographically by rapidly gaining decisive demographic significance is many western countries that have non-discriminatory Immigration.

Will it be Brussels, Malmo or Marseilles the first Submission-majority major European city?

Some Northern English town are already such:

Savile Town and Ravensthorpe are populated mainly by Muslims of Indian and Pakistani origin. In recent years, there has also been an immigration of Iraqi Kurds and Hungarians into the town.[17] Dewsbury has been accused of having a controversial Shariah arbitration court.[18] The Dewsbury Moor, Ravensthorpe and Chickenley areas are classed among the 10% most deprived areas in the UK.[19] In contrast to some British towns and cities, the east side of the town is generally more affluent. The majority of houses in the town are in the cheapest band for council tax, for house prices are amongst the lowest in the country.[20]

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Reply #97 - Apr 4^th, 2019 at 8:13pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 4^th, 2019 at 1:21pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 4^th, 2019 at 12:31pm:

What I think is that you were lying when you argued they would not even be aware of it. Don't try to pretend that I must be taking an opposite but equally misleading position to you just because I pull you up on your lies.

So what position are you taking FD? Apart from taking the opportunity in every single post to accuse me of lying and hurling vitriolic ad-hominem, we really haven't heard much of an actual argument.

This might be a good opportunity for you to explain what point you were actually trying to make when you referred to Jakarta's population and insisted its more than a mere 'region'. It seemed to be as a counterpoint to my scepticism about how influential this one case was on self censorship throughout Indonesia. You *SEEMED* to be implying that the influence must be substantial, given the prominence and size of Jakarta.

Yet when I ask you to clarify further how influential you think it was, I get the usual "you're lying" routine. If only you could be less defensive and actually engage in a proper civil discussion.

So perhaps you can have another go... exactly what were trying to point out when you responded to my scepticism about the case's influence on wider Indonesia society, by pointing out that it happened in a city with about 3% of Indonesia's vast and disparate population?

Sorry, I must have left that out.

Indonesia is a shithole of oppression, thanks to Islam. Ahok is a good example.

Your talk of a healthy free market of ideas when it comes to interpreting Islam only applies in non-Muslim-majority countries, because it is anathema to Islam, and a Muslim majorty inevitably makes it impossible. It is just more Islamic turd polishing.

Your attempts to downplay blasphemy in Indonesia, for example by arguing that Indonesians would not even be aware of Ahok's jailing, is another example of Islamic turd polishing.

Your attempts to misrepresent my argument in every conceivable way were attempts at deflection.

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Auggie Gold Member Offline The Bull Moose Posts: 8571	Re: Where is, the 'exemplar' moslem majority nation ? Reply #98 - Apr 4^th, 2019 at 8:40pm freediver wrote on Apr 4^th, 2019 at 8:13pm: Indonesia is a shithole of oppression, thanks to Islam. Honduras is a shithole of oppression, thanks to Catholicism.
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Re: Where is, the 'exemplar' moslem majority nation ?
Reply #99 - Apr 4^th, 2019 at 8:43pm

freediver wrote on Apr 4^th, 2019 at 8:13pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 4^th, 2019 at 1:21pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 4^th, 2019 at 12:31pm:

What I think is that you were lying when you argued they would not even be aware of it. Don't try to pretend that I must be taking an opposite but equally misleading position to you just because I pull you up on your lies.

So what position are you taking FD? Apart from taking the opportunity in every single post to accuse me of lying and hurling vitriolic ad-hominem, we really haven't heard much of an actual argument.

This might be a good opportunity for you to explain what point you were actually trying to make when you referred to Jakarta's population and insisted its more than a mere 'region'. It seemed to be as a counterpoint to my scepticism about how influential this one case was on self censorship throughout Indonesia. You *SEEMED* to be implying that the influence must be substantial, given the prominence and size of Jakarta.

Yet when I ask you to clarify further how influential you think it was, I get the usual "you're lying" routine. If only you could be less defensive and actually engage in a proper civil discussion.

So perhaps you can have another go... exactly what were trying to point out when you responded to my scepticism about the case's influence on wider Indonesia society, by pointing out that it happened in a city with about 3% of Indonesia's vast and disparate population?

Sorry, I must have left that out.

Indonesia is a shithole of oppression, thanks to Islam. Ahok is a good example.

Your talk of a healthy free market of ideas when it comes to interpreting Islam only applies in non-Muslim-majority countries, because it is anathema to Islam, and a Muslim majorty inevitably makes it impossible. It is just more Islamic turd polishing.

Your attempts to downplay blasphemy in Indonesia, for example by arguing that Indonesians would not even be aware of Ahok's jailing, is another example of Islamic turd polishing.

Your attempts to misrepresent my argument in every conceivable way were attempts at deflection.

Don't want to say, eh?

What sound does a jellyfish make?

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Re: Where is, the 'exemplar' moslem majority nation ?
Reply #100 - Apr 5^th, 2019 at 7:51am

freediver wrote on Apr 4^th, 2019 at 8:13pm:

Sorry, I must have left that out.

Indonesia is a shithole of oppression, thanks to Islam. Ahok is a good example.

So, literally no actual argument then. Thanks for confirming

This post is a good snapshot of about 2 months of your posting on this subject: one inane, meaningless line that says nothing at all but apparently passes for an "argument", followed by 2 or 3 paragraphs of ad-hom, attacking the person not the argument, and falsely complaining about being misrepresented.

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Reply #101 - Apr 5^th, 2019 at 7:56am

Auggie wrote on Apr 4^th, 2019 at 8:40pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 4^th, 2019 at 8:13pm:

Indonesia is a shithole of oppression, thanks to Islam.

Honduras is a shithole of oppression, thanks to Catholicism.

Australia is a shithole of oppression thanks to judaism. Frederic Toben is a good example.

wot?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #103 - Apr 5^th, 2019 at 5:22pm

Auggie wrote on Apr 4^th, 2019 at 8:40pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 4^th, 2019 at 8:13pm:

Indonesia is a shithole of oppression, thanks to Islam.

Honduras is a shithole of oppression, thanks to Catholicism.

Which in no way contradicts that Islam is a shitehole because of Islam. Idiots like you and shiteholes like Honduras and Indonesia come in many shapes and sizes.
You and Indonesia just happen to be bigger than the others.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75080 Gender:	Re: Where is, the 'exemplar' moslem majority nation ? Reply #104 - Apr 5^th, 2019 at 5:26pm freediver wrote on Apr 4^th, 2019 at 8:13pm: Your attempts to misrepresent my argument in every conceivable way were attempts at deflection. did FD really say that?
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