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Reply #585 - Sep 23rd, 2020 at 8:49pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 23rd, 2020 at 6:53pm:
No -
white ice reflects sunlight and heat but
water absorbs heat.



White ice will reflect a portion of sunlight, subject to the the sunlight reaching the ice. And then there is the albedo which varies any amount of absorption, dependent in part on latitude.

Water can absorb heat, but, is the air above the water warmer or cooler?

"the albedo, according to observational data available, a t the latitudes of 0" to 60' is considered to be equal to 0.32, a t the latitude of 70" to 0.50, at the latitude of 80" to 0.62. I n the calculation, the influence of deviations of cloudiness values from its mean planetary value equal to 0.50 on temperature is neglected."

www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.3402/tellusa.v21i5.10109

The CERES data doesn't show the trend for a positive feedback of albedo.

https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/total-solar-energy-input-global.jpgresize=640%2C588

Figure 3. Available solar energy at the top of atmosphere (red) and total solar energy input to the globe (blue), 2000-2012. Units are area-weighted watts/m2.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/02/18/how-much-sunlight-actually-enters-the-sys...
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Reply #586 - Oct 1st, 2020 at 6:35am
 
Greenland ice sheet loss already
'unprecedented' and set to accelerate



ABC Science


By environment reporter Nick Kilvert
Posted 31 minutes ago


https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2020-10-01/12705230



Melting of the Greenland ice sheet has hit a rate unmatched in the last 12,000 years and is accelerating, scientists have confirmed.
Key points:

    Worst-case predictions say Greenland will be melting 600 per cent faster than its present rate by the end of the century
    That alone could add around 30 centimetres to sea levels, without accounting for Antarctic melting
    Cutting our emissions rapidly buys us time to adapt to rising sea levels

Research published in Nature today predicts that the Greenland ice sheet will be melting by as much as six times its current rate by the end of the century if we don't get emissions down.

On the flipside, if we can achieve the best-case emissions reduction scenario forecast by the IPCC we can limit its increasing melt rate to around 40 per cent greater than its present rate.
A graphic showing the results of the study.
This graphic shows the rate of melting under the best and worst-case emissions scenarios (right).(Supplied: Jason Briner)

As the earth emerged from the last Ice Age around 11,000 years ago, the Arctic experienced a warm period or thermal maximum between about 10,000 and 7,000 years before present.

Researchers presumed that the rate of melting of the Greenland ice sheet in that period was higher than it is today.

Instead, they found that over the last 20 years, the southwestern Greenland ice sheet where this research was focussed, has been losing ice at an rate of about 6,100 billion tonnes per century on average — around 100 billion tonnes more than at its previous historical peak, according to author Jason Briner from the University of Buffalo.

"Our results suggest that yes, this century we will experience ice-loss rates not just similar to those in the past but exceeding those of the past, even under strict carbon emissions scenarios," Professor Briner said.

Worst-case scenario would see 600% increase in melting this century.

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Re: Evidence for global warming.
Reply #587 - Oct 1st, 2020 at 7:16am
 
Well - what do you know?

I've checked back the entire 40 pages of this thread
started -    Mar 17th, 2019 at 3:30pm.

Guess what -
not even one post is from Monk.
He must be the ultimate troll.
His stance was always to follow Al Gore to
claim global warming yet when given
the chance to provide evidence he provided zero.
I was the poster who provided most of the evidence
to support Monk and Al Gore
yet I have been constantly harassed by him and trolled
with severe abuse on the ice age thread.
Go figure?

I'll figure it out for all of you.
Monk is the worst troll on Ozpolitic.
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Reply #588 - Oct 1st, 2020 at 7:37am
 
Monk also told us that he has a BSc in Geology and Zoology.  How would that make him an "expert" on global warming? He studied rocks and animals?  Grin
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Reply #589 - Oct 1st, 2020 at 7:41am
 
We've been warming since 1850 coming out of the little ice age.

Maybe Greenland will be green once more...... Smiley Wink

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Reply #590 - Oct 1st, 2020 at 7:46am
 
Neferti wrote on Oct 1st, 2020 at 7:37am:
Monk also told us that he has a BSc in Geology and Zoology.  How would that make him an "expert" on global warming? He studied rocks and animals?  Grin



He's qualified for Cats and Critters.
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Reply #591 - Oct 1st, 2020 at 10:26am
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 1st, 2020 at 7:46am:
Neferti wrote on Oct 1st, 2020 at 7:37am:
Monk also told us that he has a BSc in Geology and Zoology.  How would that make him an "expert" on global warming? He studied rocks and animals?  Grin



He's qualified for Cats and Critters.

He's not even close to 'qualified' to Mod the C&C - which is now ruined by him.
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #592 - Oct 1st, 2020 at 10:46am
 
Jasin wrote on Oct 1st, 2020 at 10:26am:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 1st, 2020 at 7:46am:
Neferti wrote on Oct 1st, 2020 at 7:37am:
Monk also told us that he has a BSc in Geology and Zoology.  How would that make him an "expert" on global warming? He studied rocks and animals?  Grin



He's qualified for Cats and Critters.

He's not even close to 'qualified' to Mod the C&C - which is now ruined by him.


Yes, poor Herbert will be upset if he is looking down.  Wink
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Reply #593 - Oct 1st, 2020 at 12:19pm
 
Jasin wrote on Oct 1st, 2020 at 10:26am:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 1st, 2020 at 7:46am:
Neferti wrote on Oct 1st, 2020 at 7:37am:
Monk also told us that he has a BSc in Geology and Zoology.  How would that make him an "expert" on global warming? He studied rocks and animals?  Grin



He's qualified for Cats and Critters.

He's not even close to 'qualified' to Mod the C&C - which is now ruined by him.



He banned me out of spite -
I didn't post anything wrong there.
That should be against the rules.
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Reply #594 - Oct 2nd, 2020 at 9:18am
 
Now there's a chance to vote on Monk's trolling:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1601588355/15#17
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Reply #595 - Oct 2nd, 2020 at 10:06am
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 2nd, 2020 at 9:18am:
Now there's a chance to vote on Monk's trolling:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1601588355/15#17


Now that is "push-polling".  Roll Eyes
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Reply #596 - Oct 2nd, 2020 at 10:10am
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 2nd, 2020 at 10:06am:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 2nd, 2020 at 9:18am:
Now there's a chance to vote on Monk's trolling:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1601588355/15#17


Now that is "push-polling".  Roll Eyes



Vote however you want - that's democracy.
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Reply #597 - Oct 2nd, 2020 at 4:30pm
 
Ajax wrote on Oct 1st, 2020 at 7:41am:
We've been warming since 1850 coming out of the little ice age.

Maybe Greenland will be green once more...... Smiley Wink

https://i.ibb.co/q9HKcC1/MWPLIAJPG.jpg



That old chestnut  Grin Grin Grin Grin
Have you noticed that it says at the bottom "This drawing of a graph of the IPCC 1990 report"

So it's just a drawing. Turns out they used data from England. And as we all know the Medieval Warm Period was mostly a European phenomena.
To top it off the last data point used was 1950.  The earth has warmed a lot since 1950.
https://www.skepticalscience.com/IPCC-Medieval-Warm-Period.htm
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Reply #598 - Oct 2nd, 2020 at 5:30pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Oct 2nd, 2020 at 4:30pm:
And as we all know the Medieval Warm Period was mostly a European phenomena.



Oh noes, Barney does it again.

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1200 papers to say it was global. But it "was mostly a European phenomena". Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

But perhaps you can tell us which southern land mass wasn't affected.

But old SKS? Do they still dress up in Gestapo uniforms there?

And apparently China was in Europe back then. Roll Eyes

Edit: And of course "the world has warmed a lot since 1950". Of course only if you believe the temperature reconstruction back that far. Wink

2nd Edit: How did they draw charts before computers? Wink
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Reply #599 - Oct 2nd, 2020 at 6:32pm
 
What happened to the "hole in the ozone layer" that was all the go back in the 80s?  Huh
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