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Reply #60 - Mar 17^th, 2019 at 9:04pm

lee wrote on Mar 17^th, 2019 at 8:04pm:

Johnnie wrote on Mar 17^th, 2019 at 6:06pm:

I don't know if you are denier or not, are you?

No. The earth has been warming. How much is attributable humans is uncertain.

If CO2 is the main driver of AGW you need two of three parameters to work it out.

Total CO2 emissions, Natural CO2 emissions and human CO2 emissions.

We have a fair idea of human emissions, but only fair.

We don't know total emissions and we don't know natural emissions.

Johnnie wrote on Mar 17^th, 2019 at 6:06pm:

if so how much is because of man? take a punt, put it out there.

All answered above.

I should have stipulated the human element but I thought you would have worked that out.

What % would you say.

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lee Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 17386 Gender:	Re: Evidence for global warming. Reply #61 - Mar 17^th, 2019 at 9:52pm Johnnie wrote on Mar 17^th, 2019 at 9:04pm: I should have stipulated the human element but I thought you would have worked that out. What % would you say. Given that we don't know at least 2 of the three parameters it is an unknown. Given that we only have estimates of human cause CO2 emissions.
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Jasin Gold Member Online Posts: 47588 Gender:	Re: Evidence for global warming. Reply #62 - Mar 17^th, 2019 at 10:03pm Humanity is a part of nature. Everything is going accordingly to plan. When everything that the mind of Humanity creates - is but a reflection of the natural world around him/her.
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Reply #63 - Mar 17^th, 2019 at 10:10pm

lee wrote on Mar 17^th, 2019 at 9:52pm:

Johnnie wrote on Mar 17^th, 2019 at 9:04pm:

I should have stipulated the human element but I thought you would have worked that out.

What % would you say.

Given that we don't know at least 2 of the three parameters it is an unknown. Given that we only have estimates of human cause CO2 emissions. Wink

Do you have a straight answer, given the parameters in your opinion.

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Reply #64 - Mar 17^th, 2019 at 10:20pm

Johnnie wrote on Mar 17^th, 2019 at 10:10pm:

Do you have a straight answer, given the parameters in your opinion.

No because it is an unknown. You do understand unknowns?

The last estimate I saw was that human emissions were about 4% of total emissions. Which is about 16ppm. How much effect that has on climate is unknown.

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Reply #65 - Mar 18^th, 2019 at 11:03am

Johnnie wrote on Mar 17^th, 2019 at 10:10pm:

lee wrote on Mar 17^th, 2019 at 9:52pm:

Johnnie wrote on Mar 17^th, 2019 at 9:04pm:

I should have stipulated the human element but I thought you would have worked that out.

What % would you say.

Given that we don't know at least 2 of the three parameters it is an unknown. Given that we only have estimates of human cause CO2 emissions. Wink

Do you have a straight answer, given the parameters in your opinion.

You will never get a straight answer out of lee. He knows that if he never stats a position he can't be proven wrong.
His sole purpose is to discredit, obfuscate and confuse.

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The Right Wing only believe in free speech when they agree with what is being said.

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Reply #66 - Mar 18^th, 2019 at 11:27am

The_Barnacle wrote on Mar 18^th, 2019 at 11:03am:

You will never get a straight answer out of lee.

Because you know so much Barney - Please enlighten us.

Figures to within 1,000 tonnes. Or your best guess with error bars attached.

What is the total CO2 emissions of planet Earth?

What are the accurate figures for Man's CO2 emissions?

What is the amount of Natural CO2 emissions?

The_Barnacle wrote on Mar 18^th, 2019 at 11:03am:

His sole purpose is to discredit, obfuscate and confuse.

Here is your big opportunity to prove you are not merely a troll. Wink

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random Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2637 Gender:	Re: Evidence for global warming. Reply #67 - Mar 18^th, 2019 at 8:04pm Hey team, I got banned, next time they will shut the door better. What a bunch of pussies, they can't handle the truth!
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Bobby. Moderator Online Australian Politics Posts: 103405 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Evidence for global warming. Reply #68 - Mar 18^th, 2019 at 8:06pm random wrote on Mar 18^th, 2019 at 8:04pm: Hey team, I got banned, next time they will shut the door better. What a bunch of pussies, they can't handle the truth! Banned from where?
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Reply #69 - Mar 18^th, 2019 at 8:07pm

random wrote on Mar 18^th, 2019 at 8:04pm:

Hey team,
I got banned, next time they will shut the door better.

What a bunch of pussies, they can't handle the truth!

Since you have posted no data, how can that be the truth?

Can you tell us what you know about the Laws of Thermodynamics? Been asked at least twice. Perhaps you just missed them. Wink

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Reply #70 - Mar 18^th, 2019 at 8:24pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 18^th, 2019 at 8:06pm:

random wrote on Mar 18^th, 2019 at 8:04pm:

Hey team,
I got banned, next time they will shut the door better.

What a bunch of pussies, they can't handle the truth!

Banned from where?

Banned from ozpol where else would I be talking about. IP address change and it's all good for now. Weak as piss tho.

Do it again and so I can get a screen shot to show everyone.

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lee Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 17386 Gender:	Re: Evidence for global warming. Reply #71 - Mar 18^th, 2019 at 9:03pm Well it seems random has shown his level of "knowledge".
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lee Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 17386 Gender:	Re: Evidence for global warming. Reply #72 - Mar 19^th, 2019 at 11:12am As has Barney the troll doll.
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Reply #73 - Mar 21^st, 2019 at 6:52am

lee wrote on Mar 18^th, 2019 at 8:07pm:

random wrote on Mar 18^th, 2019 at 8:04pm:

Hey team,
I got banned, next time they will shut the door better.

What a bunch of pussies, they can't handle the truth!

Since you have posted no data, how can that be the truth?

Can you tell us what you know about the Laws of Thermodynamics? Been asked at least twice. Perhaps you just missed them. Wink

Where is Jules when you need him, we need lots of cut and pasting to understand thermos dynamics, I mean I think they are the greatest invention ever.... keep hot things hot and cold things cold....... the question is how do they know which is which ? Cheesy

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Re: Evidence for global warming.
Reply #74 - Mar 21^st, 2019 at 7:51am

Cue the trolls

Carbon Dioxide Controls Earth's Temperature
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A new atmosphere-ocean climate modeling study shows that atmospheric carbon dioxide acts as a thermostat in regulating the temperature of Earth. › View larger
A new atmosphere-ocean climate modeling study shows that atmospheric carbon dioxide acts as a thermostat in regulating the temperature of Earth. Credit: NASA GISS/ Lilly Del Valle

Various atmospheric components differ in their contributions to the greenhouse effect, some through feedbacks and some through forcings. Without carbon dioxide and other non-condensing greenhouse gases, water vapor and clouds would be unable to provide the feedback mechanisms that amplify the greenhouse effect. › View larger
Various atmospheric components differ in their contributions to the greenhouse effect, some through feedbacks and some through forcings. Without carbon dioxide and other non-condensing greenhouse gases, water vapor and clouds would be unable to provide the feedback mechanisms that amplify the greenhouse effect. Credit: NASA GISS Water vapor and clouds are the major contributors to Earth's greenhouse effect, but a new atmosphere-ocean climate modeling study shows that the planet's temperature ultimately depends on the atmospheric level of carbon dioxide.

The study, conducted by Andrew Lacis and colleagues at NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York, examined the nature of Earth's greenhouse effect and clarified the role that greenhouse gases and clouds play in absorbing outgoing infrared radiation. Notably, the team identified non-condensing greenhouse gases -- such as carbon dioxide, methane, nitrous oxide, ozone, and chlorofluorocarbons -- as providing the core support for the terrestrial greenhouse effect.

Wait for it ... here comes the cut and paste from the Deniers Handbook.

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