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Reply #825 - Aug 29^th, 2022 at 1:21pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 29^th, 2022 at 11:57am:

Pity you don't listen to the news. Especially those produced before 1996, when there were no pollution standards, but also up to 2003, when only minimum standards applied.

Please tell me how to listen to the news prior to 1996. And of course we have had Clean Air Acts since at least 1961 in NSW and 1964 in WA.. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 29^th, 2022 at 11:57am:

Even today Oz's current Euro 5 regulations are significantly below Euro 6 standards re NOx etc.

Only Euro 6 for diesel for NOx from 0.18g/km to 0.08g/km. Particulates and Carbon Monoxide remain the same. Eu5 for petrol engines is the same as Eu6 .

https://www.carwow.co.uk/blog/eu5-and-eu6-engines-whats-the-difference-0626

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Reply #826 - Aug 30^th, 2022 at 2:24pm

lee wrote on Aug 29^th, 2022 at 1:21pm:

And of course we have had Clean Air Acts since at least 1961 in NSW and 1964 in WA.. Roll Eyes

But not anti-pollution gear on vehicles.

" When did catalytic converters become mandatory in Australia? 1986"

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Only Euro 6 for diesel for NOx from 0.18g/km to 0.08g/km. Particulates and Carbon Monoxide remain the same. Eu5 for petrol engines is the same as Eu6 .

meanwhile: "ACT sets ICE ban from 2035. Nine out of 10 cars on ACT roads will be zero-emissions vehicles by the end of the decade".

Sorry; your "weekend will soon be cancelled"......

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Reply #827 - Aug 30^th, 2022 at 4:18pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 17^th, 2019 at 3:45pm:

random wrote on Mar 17^th, 2019 at 3:43pm:

So the moderator of an environment topic that repeatedly directs people to the ICE AGE Cometh thread, asks people to post evidence for something that even school children in the street understand intimately, but he doesn't?

So the case is settled?
You don't even have to provide any evidence?

So the moderator of an environment topic that repeatedly directs people to the ICE AGE Cometh thread, asks people to post evidence for something that even school children in the street understand intimately, but he doesn't?

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Reply #828 - Aug 30^th, 2022 at 5:11pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 30^th, 2022 at 2:24pm:

But not anti-pollution gear on vehicles.

" When did catalytic converters become mandatory in Australia? 1986"

But that is not what you said. And now you have gone back another 10 years on your initial claim of 1996. Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 29^th, 2022 at 11:02am:

Oh ...and BIS can also fund catastrophe intervention required in Pakistan, regardless of what caused it, rather than Pakistan being forced to beg for money from governments who themselves are forced to beg for money from the greedy private sector (that's you and me) via taxes which no-one wants to pay, or borrowing which has to be repaid with interest to greedy private financiers.

You mean the Pakistan that is so corrupt? Where would that money end up? In politicians pockets. Roll Eyes

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Reply #830 - Aug 30^th, 2022 at 9:22pm

lee wrote on Aug 30^th, 2022 at 5:12pm:

random wrote on Aug 30^th, 2022 at 4:18pm:

So the moderator of an environment topic that repeatedly directs people to the ICE AGE Cometh thread, asks people to post evidence for something that even school children in the street understand intimately, but he doesn't?

Poor randy. Predicts the future AGAIN. Grin

I post the news - I don't make the news and
I don't shoot the messenger.
Random hasn't understood that yet -
no matter how many times I re-phrase it for him. Roll Eyes

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Reply #831 - Aug 30^th, 2022 at 10:14pm

lee wrote on Aug 30^th, 2022 at 5:11pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 30^th, 2022 at 2:24pm:

But not anti-pollution gear on vehicles.

" When did catalytic converters become mandatory in Australia? 1986"

But that is not what you said. And now you have gone back another 10 years on your initial claim of 1996. Grin

I reported on news that fossil-filth-belching older trucks are particularly injurious to health in built up areas. You of course deny it.

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 29^th, 2022 at 11:02am:

You mean the Pakistan that is so corrupt? Where would that money end up? In politicians pockets. Roll Eyes

No I mean your evil survival of the fittest ideology which is responsible for corruption and mismanagement everywhere.

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Reply #832 - Aug 31^st, 2022 at 12:59pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 30^th, 2022 at 10:14pm:

I reported on news that fossil-filth-belching older trucks are particularly injurious to health in built up areas. You of course deny it.

Nope you made a statement.

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 29^th, 2022 at 11:02am:

But re the fossil industry itself: today there is a call to ban old trucks from Sydney and Melbourne because they spew 50% more toxic (cancer causing) oxides of nitrogen and particulate matter capable of entering the bloodstream.

I can find no evidence of NOx causing cancer. They are however mildly toxic (poisonous". And as I pointed out particulates remain the same under Euro5 and Euro6.

You really need to brush up on your terminology. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 30^th, 2022 at 10:14pm:

No I mean your evil survival of the fittest ideology which is responsible for corruption and mismanagement everywhere.

So now I am responsible for corrupt politicians everywhere. Wow I do have a large influence don't I? Grin

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Reply #833 - Aug 31^st, 2022 at 1:42pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 30^th, 2022 at 9:22pm:

lee wrote on Aug 30^th, 2022 at 5:12pm:

random wrote on Aug 30^th, 2022 at 4:18pm:

So the moderator of an environment topic that repeatedly directs people to the ICE AGE Cometh thread, asks people to post evidence for something that even school children in the street understand intimately, but he doesn't?

Poor randy. Predicts the future AGAIN. Grin

I post the news - I don't make the news and
I don't shoot the messenger.
Random hasn't understood that yet -
no matter how many times I re-phrase it for him. Roll Eyes

SO what was it that convinced you that David Du Byne was a crock?

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Reply #834 - Aug 31^st, 2022 at 3:33pm

random wrote on Aug 31^st, 2022 at 1:42pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 30^th, 2022 at 9:22pm:

lee wrote on Aug 30^th, 2022 at 5:12pm:

random wrote on Aug 30^th, 2022 at 4:18pm:

So the moderator of an environment topic that repeatedly directs people to the ICE AGE Cometh thread, asks people to post evidence for something that even school children in the street understand intimately, but he doesn't?

Poor randy. Predicts the future AGAIN. Grin

I post the news - I don't make the news and
I don't shoot the messenger.
Random hasn't understood that yet -
no matter how many times I re-phrase it for him. Roll Eyes

SO what was it that convinced you that David Du Byne was a crock?

Once again - you still don't understand.
David DuByne is a messenger who reported record breaking cold weather.
I don't shoot the messenger.

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Reply #835 - Aug 31^st, 2022 at 4:15pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 31^st, 2022 at 3:33pm:

random wrote on Aug 31^st, 2022 at 1:42pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 30^th, 2022 at 9:22pm:

lee wrote on Aug 30^th, 2022 at 5:12pm:

random wrote on Aug 30^th, 2022 at 4:18pm:

So the moderator of an environment topic that repeatedly directs people to the ICE AGE Cometh thread, asks people to post evidence for something that even school children in the street understand intimately, but he doesn't?

Poor randy. Predicts the future AGAIN. Grin

I post the news - I don't make the news and
I don't shoot the messenger.
Random hasn't understood that yet -
no matter how many times I re-phrase it for him. Roll Eyes

SO what was it that convinced you that David Du Byne was a crock?

Once again - you still don't understand.
David DuByne is a messenger who reported record breaking cold weather.
I don't shoot the messenger.

I do not understand. You were posting Dubyne's stuff as evidence that the scientists were wrong about Climate Change.

Now he was just reporting weather ... ?

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Reply #836 - Aug 31^st, 2022 at 5:39pm

random wrote on Aug 31^st, 2022 at 4:15pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 31^st, 2022 at 3:33pm:

Once again - you still don't understand.
David DuByne is a messenger who reported record breaking cold weather.
I don't shoot the messenger.

I do not understand. You were posting Dubyne's stuff as evidence that the scientists were wrong about Climate Change.

Now he was just reporting weather ... ?

You must be thick if you can't understand that. Roll Eyes

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Reply #837 - Aug 31^st, 2022 at 5:47pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 31^st, 2022 at 5:39pm:

random wrote on Aug 31^st, 2022 at 4:15pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 31^st, 2022 at 3:33pm:

Once again - you still don't understand.
David DuByne is a messenger who reported record breaking cold weather.
I don't shoot the messenger.

I do not understand. You were posting Dubyne's stuff as evidence that the scientists were wrong about Climate Change.

Now he was just reporting weather ... ?

You must be thick if you can't understand that. Roll Eyes

So you still will not share with your mates, just what the 'Come to Jesus' moment was with your New Ice Age campaign.

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Reply #838 - Aug 31^st, 2022 at 9:43pm

random wrote on Aug 31^st, 2022 at 5:47pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 31^st, 2022 at 5:39pm:

random wrote on Aug 31^st, 2022 at 4:15pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 31^st, 2022 at 3:33pm:

Once again - you still don't understand.
David DuByne is a messenger who reported record breaking cold weather.
I don't shoot the messenger.

I do not understand. You were posting Dubyne's stuff as evidence that the scientists were wrong about Climate Change.

Now he was just reporting weather ... ?

You must be thick if you can't understand that. Roll Eyes

So you still will not share with your mates, just what the 'Come to Jesus' moment was with your New Ice Age campaign.

https://c.tenor.com/BqQjMLrZku8AAAAC/the-people-deserve-to-know-the-truth-patric...

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Reply #839 - Sep 3^rd, 2022 at 9:51pm

lee wrote on Aug 31^st, 2022 at 12:59pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 30^th, 2022 at 10:14pm:

I reported on news that fossil-filth-belching older trucks are particularly injurious to health in built up areas. You of course deny it.

Nope you made a statement.

...which you can't address.

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I can find no evidence of NOx causing cancer. They are however mildly toxic (poisonous". And as I pointed out particulates remain the same under Euro5 and Euro6.

..but not NOx, which others have found are injurious to health; with cancers not-ruled out. And of course others HAVE found evidence, that's why ICEs will be progressivley banned from urban areas.

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So now I am responsible for corrupt politicians everywhere. Wow I do have a large influence don't I?

Not you; your survival of the fittest ideology which pits citizen against citizen, and hence corrupts politicians who are bought by various self-interested organisations.

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