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Reply #840 - Sep 3rd, 2022 at 10:20pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 3rd, 2022 at 9:51pm:
I reported on news that fossil-filth-belching  older trucks are particularly injurious to health in built up areas. You of course deny it.   


Nope you made a statement.


...which you can't address.


You haven't shown what you reported to be true. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 3rd, 2022 at 9:51pm:
.but not NOx, which others have found are injurious to health; with cancers not-ruled out.


So now not ruled out is evidence of a cancer causing agent? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grinthegreatdivide wrote on Sep 3rd, 2022 at 9:51pm:
And of course others HAVE found evidence, that's why ICEs will be progressivley banned from urban areas.

You would have to show that others have found NOx emissions to cause cancer. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 3rd, 2022 at 9:51pm:
Not you; your survival of the fittest ideology which pits citizen against citizen, and hence corrupts politicians who are bought by various self-interested organisations.



White flag accepted. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

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Reply #841 - Sep 4th, 2022 at 10:01pm
 
lee wrote on Sep 3rd, 2022 at 10:20pm:
[quote author=AusbetterWorld link=1552800608/839#839 date=1662205906]I reported on news that fossil-filth-belching  older trucks are particularly injurious to health in built up areas. You of course deny it.   


Nope you made a statement.


...which you can't address.


ICE vwhicles are on the way out, health in urban areas being one concern.

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You haven't shown what you reported to be true. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Others have shown it...that's why govts. are baning ICE vehicles.

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So now not ruled out is evidence of a cancer causing agent? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Cancer is oly one of many health concerns related to ICE exhaust. 

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You would have to show that others have found NOx emissions to cause cancer. Roll Eyes


I don't have to do that, others have already convinced govts. that ICE vehicles are harmful to health in urban  areas.

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White flag accepted. Grin Grin Grin


As well as denying consensus on health and AGW climate change, apparently you are colour-blind as well.... Undecided
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Reply #842 - Sep 4th, 2022 at 10:18pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 4th, 2022 at 10:01pm:
ICE vwhicles are on the way out, health in urban areas being one concern.


There is not enough energy in unreliables to power the current grid let alone a grid with many EV's.

California is asking EV owners in its state not to charge them after 4pm.

http://www.caiso.com/Documents/california-iso-issues-flex-alert-for-today-aug-31...

They also want to put solar panels over water canals.  Too bad about lead and other toxic elements in the panels.

https://www.theregister.com/2022/08/31/california_solar_power_canals/
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Reply #843 - Sep 4th, 2022 at 10:22pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 4th, 2022 at 10:01pm:
ICE vwhicles are on the way out, health in urban areas being one concern.


There is not enough energy in unreliables to power the current grid let alone a grid with many EV's.

California is asking EV owners in its state not to charge them after 4pm.

http://www.caiso.com/Documents/california-iso-issues-flex-alert-for-today-aug-31...

They also want to put solar panels over water canals.  Too bad about lead and other toxic elements in the panels.

https://www.theregister.com/2022/08/31/california_solar_power_canals/

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 4th, 2022 at 10:01pm:
that's why govts. are baning ICE vehicles.


at some time in the future. Perhaps there is some hope for humanity.

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 4th, 2022 at 10:01pm:
Cancer is oly one of many health concerns related to ICE exhaust. 



You were the said it was caused by NOx.

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 4th, 2022 at 10:01pm:
I don't have to do that, others have already convinced govts. that ICE vehicles are harmful to health in urban  areas.



You said it was NOx emissions causing cancer.

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 4th, 2022 at 10:01pm:
As well as denying consensus on health and AGW climate change, apparently you are colour-blind as well.



Oh dear. Where did I deny a consensus. Consensus is about politics. It is not about science.
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Reply #844 - Sep 4th, 2022 at 10:25pm
 
What a bitch it must be to have to still bang the denial drum.

Maybe you should get a new gig.

Or is the Lee account just a click farming troll.  Has to be, no one is that dumb.

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Reply #845 - Sep 5th, 2022 at 9:55am
 
lee wrote on Sep 4th, 2022 at 10:22pm:
There is not enough energy in unreliables to power the current grid let alone a grid with many EV's.


Er... that's because people like you are preventing  rollout of wind and solar, ASAP.

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They also want to put solar panels over water canals.  Too bad about lead and other toxic elements in the panels.


CA has hot deserts suitable for solar.

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You were the said it was caused by NOx.


All health effects of NOx,  not 'just' cancer, need to be addressed.

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Oh dear. Where did I deny a consensus. Consensus is about politics. It is not about science.


That's right. So now that politicians globally are on board with health and AGW concerns re global warming, you can forget about the opposing 'science', ...and join the consensus.

Meanwhile I see Random has you sorted...it's called consensus.
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Reply #846 - Sep 5th, 2022 at 11:19am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 5th, 2022 at 9:55am:
Er... that's because people like you are preventing  rollout of wind and solar, ASAP.


Then why is Germany suffering it has shedloads of solar and wind. The answer is they can't get it when needed. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 5th, 2022 at 9:55am:
CA has hot deserts suitable for solar.


Then why are they talking about putting them over canals? Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 5th, 2022 at 9:55am:
All health effects of NOx,  not 'just' cancer, need to be addressed.


You haven't even shown it causes cancer. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 5th, 2022 at 9:55am:
That's right. So now that politicians globally are on board with health and AGW concerns re global warming, you can forget about the opposing 'science', ...and join the consensus.



Consensus is not science. I prefer the science. Roll Eyes

Poor randy doesn't have two brain cells to rub together for synapse. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #847 - Sep 5th, 2022 at 3:04pm
 
lee wrote on Sep 5th, 2022 at 11:19am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 5th, 2022 at 9:55am:
Er... that's because people like you are preventing  rollout of wind and solar, ASAP.


Then why is Germany suffering it has shedloads of solar and wind. The answer is they can't get it when needed. Roll Eyes


Germany will need to plug into a Sahara scheme.

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Then why are they talking about putting them over canals? Roll Eyes



Don't know; probably because they are trying to follow the dictates of mainstream market economics.

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You haven't even shown it causes cancer. Roll Eyes


Even if cancer proves to be unrelated, other negative health effects of filthy fossil pollution (apart from CO2 "pollution") are undeniable (except to you, of course)

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Consensus is not science. I prefer the science.


But the science is overwhemlingly on the side of the global political consensus.

As random said, it's time you got a new gig. Huh






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Reply #848 - Sep 5th, 2022 at 3:32pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 5th, 2022 at 3:04pm:
Germany will need to plug into a Sahara scheme.



Germany already has enough energy potential. As I have said before. Their average use is 57GW peak use is about 100GW. There is 54GW of Solar and 62GW of wind. So why would Germany need Sahara? Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 5th, 2022 at 3:04pm:
Don't know; probably because they are trying to follow the dictates of mainstream market economics.


or the loony left. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 5th, 2022 at 3:04pm:
Even if cancer proves to be unrelated, other negative health effects of filthy fossil pollution (apart from CO2 "pollution") are undeniable (except to you, of course)

Seeing as you have CO2(pollution) you don't agree it is a pollutant? Well done you.

At what concentrations are these particles causing "negative health effects"? Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 5th, 2022 at 3:04pm:
But the science is overwhemlingly on the side of the global political consensus.


Do you have facts to back that up? EG what are the total number of climate scientists in the world? What is the number that believes overwhelingly?

I know the IPCC says that all their scientists are "climate scientists'TM; but it appears not.

"n an April 25, 2022 Chemical and Engineering News article, Holly Jean Buck, a “development sociologist,” expresses some peculiar views about fossil fuels that go beyond climate change. It is surprising to find them purveyed in a journal not of sociology or politics but of chemistry and engineering.

For starters, Buck maintains, “achieving net-zero emissions won’t ensure that the planet is buffered from the environmental and health impacts of fossil fuel extraction and use.”

Buck is a professor of environment and sustainability at the University at Buffalo. Her Ph.D. is in development sociology. She is also a contributing author to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which is a good reminder that, contrary to popular perception, not only climate scientists but also plenty of social scientists contribute to the IPCC’s “scientific” reports. "

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/09/03/when-a-chemistry-journal-publishes-a-soci...

Wow a sociologist? Knows not only climate change but chemistry. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Poor old TGD tires himself to poor old randy's  knowledge lack. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #849 - Sep 5th, 2022 at 4:33pm
 
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Reply #850 - Sep 5th, 2022 at 4:40pm
 
Ah the limit of randy's expertise. The finger. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #851 - Sep 6th, 2022 at 10:40am
 
lee wrote on Sep 5th, 2022 at 3:32pm:
Germany already has enough energy potential. As I have said before. Their average use is 57GW peak use is about 100GW. There is 54GW of Solar and 62GW of wind. So why would Germany need Sahara? Roll Eyes


Because Germany is cold and cloudy for much of the year.

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or the loony left. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Possible....the mainstrem Left is currently dazzled by neoliberal  market economics with its balanced govt. budget dogma.   (Unlike you and me, currency-issuing governments have to balance resource usage, not money budgets).

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Seeing as you have CO2(pollution) you don't agree it is a pollutant? Well done you.

At what concentrations are these particles causing "negative health effects"? Roll Eyes


The consensus is increased deaths in urban areas due to fossil-based transportation. .

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Do you have facts to back that up? EG what are the total number of climate scientists in the world? What is the number that believes overwhelingly?


The number which has convinced the world's politicians.

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"In an April 25, 2022 Chemical and Engineering News article, Holly Jean Buck, a “development sociologist,” expresses some peculiar views about fossil fuels that go beyond climate change. It is surprising to find them purveyed in a journal not of sociology or politics but of chemistry and engineering.

For starters, Buck maintains, “achieving net-zero emissions won’t ensure that the planet is buffered from the environmental and health impacts of fossil fuel extraction and use.”


How does she conclude this? Obviously if you close the fossil industry, you eliminate the harms including "the environmental and health impacts of fossil fuel extraction and use".

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Buck is a professor of environment and sustainability at the University at Buffalo. Her Ph.D. is in development sociology. She is also a contributing author to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which is a good reminder that, contrary to popular perception, not only climate scientists but also plenty of social scientists contribute to the IPCC’s “scientific” reports. "

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/09/03/when-a-chemistry-journal-publishes-a-soci...

Wow a sociologist? Knows not only climate change but chemistry. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Well I'm not sure what Buck's sociology expertise allows her to bring to the AGW climate change debate.

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Poor old TGD tires himself to poor old randy's  knowledge lack. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


As you know, I have been fighting for clean free electricity long before random decided to expose your denialism  (which you deny....) http://www.ozpolitic.com/yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/huh.gif
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Reply #852 - Sep 6th, 2022 at 12:42pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 6th, 2022 at 10:40am:
Because Germany is cold and cloudy for much of the year.



But the Germans are leaders in technology. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 6th, 2022 at 10:40am:
The consensus is increased deaths in urban areas due to fossil-based transportation. .


Consensus is politics not science. You have been told many times. You just keep coming back to "consensus" like a dog to its vomit. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 6th, 2022 at 10:40am:
The number which has convinced the world's politicians.

Consensus again. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 6th, 2022 at 10:40am:
How does she conclude this? Obviously if you close the fossil industry, you eliminate the harms including "the environmental and health impacts of fossil fuel extraction and use".


She's a "Sociologist" so she just knows. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 6th, 2022 at 10:40am:
Well I'm not sure what Buck's sociology expertise allows her to bring to the AGW climate change debate.


The IPCC disagrees with you. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 6th, 2022 at 10:40am:
As you know, I have been fighting for clean free electricity long before random decided to expose your denialism  (which you deny....)



So to get "free" eelectricity Government would have to fund all the unreliables and not charge for maintenance, replacement, the required landfill from toxic PV panels and fibres from wind turbine blades. And of course all on the back of government employees who would I assume work for wages maintaining the "free" dream. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

And you would be wrong. Poor old randy has been trying for years. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #853 - Sep 6th, 2022 at 1:32pm
 
Lee is the gift that just keeps on giving.

There aren't that many deniers left.  They are all ...

1. Right wing trolls paid to post on a small constellation of forums for pennies
2. Owner socks intended to generate clicks to earn more money from ads
3. Bat shite crazy and bought the BS on facebook

But you have to admit it's entertaining to think it's the last one.

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Reply #854 - Sep 6th, 2022 at 1:49pm
 
Sceptical scientists from around the world are flocking to sign the World Climate Declaration (WCD) that states there is no climate emergency. The WCD notes that climate science has degenerated into a discussion based on beliefs, not on sound, self-critical science. Over 100 scientists and professionals have signed the Declaration since August 18th, when the Daily Sceptic highlighted the project and interest soared across social media.

The WCD is particularly critical of climate models that provide the ‘evidence’ for most of the Net Zero agenda. “We should free ourselves from the naïve belief in immature climate models,” says the WCD. Models have many shortcomings and “are not remotely plausible as global policy tools”, it adds. The WCD started with 500 signatories and has now grown to over 1,200. The lead author is the Norwegian physics Nobel Prize winner Professor Ivar Giaever.


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