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Reply #855 - Sep 6^th, 2022 at 2:44pm

I just looked at the increase in CO2 and Tempereature.

The data from -

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1091926/atmospheric-concentration-of-co2-his...

and -

https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v4/

From 1961- 1991 CO2 increased by 37.25 parts per million (ppm)
Temperature increased by 0.37C dividing temperature by CO2 level gives a factor of 0.993

From 1992 to 2021 CO2 increased by 59.91ppm
Temperature increased by 0.62 similar division gives a factor of 1.03.

There is little sign of amplification of temperature that is supposed to occur. Roll Eyes

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Reply #856 - Sep 6^th, 2022 at 2:57pm

I just looked at the increase in CO2 and Tempereature.

The data from -

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1091926/atmospheric-concentration-of-co2-his...

and -

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcrut5/data/current/download.html

From 1961- 1991 CO2 increased by 37.25 parts per million (ppm)
Temperature increased by 0.27C dividing temperature by CO2 level gives a factor of 1.07

From 1992 to 2021 CO2 increased by 59.91ppm
Temperature increased by 0.94 similar division gives a factor of 0.94.

There is NO sign of amplification of temperature that is supposed to occur. Roll Eyes

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Reply #858 - Sep 7^th, 2022 at 1:47pm

lee wrote on Sep 6^th, 2022 at 12:42pm:

But the Germans are leaders in technology. Roll Eyes

maybe, but they still live in Germany.....

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Consensus is politics not science. You have been told many times. You just keep coming back to "consensus" like a dog to its vomit. Roll Eyes

It's called 'real politics'..and what's possible for government to legislate....

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She's a "Sociologist" so she just knows.

So now you are arguing against your own linked article; we both agree she contradicted herself.

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The IPCC disagrees with you.

Some of them, according to you. Nevertheless the '43% by 2030' legislation will pass through the Oz parliament who accept the IPCC's findings. .

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So to get "free" eelectricity Government would have to fund all the unreliables and not charge for maintenance, replacement, the required landfill from toxic PV panels and fibres from wind turbine blades. And of course all on the back of government employees who would I assume work for wages maintaining the "free" dream. Grin

No; PVs in a fraction of the world's sunny deserts, with smart grids and pumped hydro, can supply free global energy.

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And you would be wrong. Poor old randy has been trying for years. Grin

He's obviously winning; the Oz parliament is finally getting on with it, now that the conservatives are back on the opposition benches. .

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Reply #859 - Sep 7^th, 2022 at 1:56pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 7^th, 2022 at 1:47pm:

Now you are arguing against your own linked article.

Nope you are just showing how inept you are. Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 7^th, 2022 at 1:47pm:

Some of them, according to you.

I gave uyou the IPCC "Consensus" opinion. Why don't you like it? Grin

.thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 7^th, 2022 at 1:47pm:

Nevertheless the '43% by 2030' legislation will pass through the Oz parliament.

And of course can be repealed at any time with enough numbers. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 7^th, 2022 at 1:47pm:

No; PVs in a fraction of the world's sunny deserts, with smart grids and pumped hydro, can supply free global energy.

Maintenance free? Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 7^th, 2022 at 1:47pm:

He's obviously winning;

You spelled "whining" wrong. Wink

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 7^th, 2022 at 1:47pm:

the Oz parliament is finally getting on with it, now that the conservatives are back on the opposition benches.

We will see what becomes of Labor. $20 billion on climate but can't keep the fuel levy down. Inflation up. Roll Eyes

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random Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2637 Gender:	Re: Evidence for global warming. Reply #860 - Sep 7^th, 2022 at 2:01pm Funni as ... Lee playing whack-a-mole like a dog eating wasps. Must be shite to have a gig to defend the indefensible.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17404 Gender:	Re: Evidence for global warming. Reply #861 - Sep 7^th, 2022 at 2:03pm Poor randy. Memes not science. Who woullda thunk?
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random Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2637 Gender:	Re: Evidence for global warming. Reply #862 - Sep 7^th, 2022 at 2:13pm lee wrote on Sep 7^th, 2022 at 2:03pm: Poor randy. Memes not science. Who woullda thunk? In language you can understand ... Pweeze tewl unka Random what it is like to tell peoplw fibs on da interweb?
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Reply #863 - Sep 7^th, 2022 at 2:41pm

lee wrote on Sep 7^th, 2022 at 1:56pm:

Nope you are just showing how inept you are. Grin

I just noticed she contradicted herself, therefore didn't persist with what she was trying to say. Feel free to tell us what you think she was trying to say.

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I gave uyou the IPCC "Consensus" opinion. Why don't you like it? Grin

No you didn't .....

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And of course can be repealed at any time with enough numbers. Roll Eyes

Oz has definite competitive advantages in renewables, which will be hard to turn back...

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Maintenance free? Grin

Paid for by the government....without taxing or borrowing from the private sector....(since there are no inflationary implications in funding the wages of maintenance workers)

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We will see what becomes of Labor. $20 billion on climate but can't keep the fuel levy down. Inflation up. Roll Eyes

The fossil industry should be nationalized, but yes, we will see.

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Reply #864 - Sep 7^th, 2022 at 3:25pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 7^th, 2022 at 2:41pm:

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I gave you the IPCC "Consensus" opinion. Why don't you like it? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

No you didn't ....

So she is an IPCC co-author and has must have skill for that? Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 7^th, 2022 at 2:41pm:

Oz has definite competitive advantages in renewables, which will be hard to turn back...

Except to make them work 24/7. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 7^th, 2022 at 2:41pm:

Paid for by the government....without taxing or borrowing from the private sector....(since there are no inflationary implications in funding the wages of maintenance workers)

Ever more people on the government tit.
And the replacement and landfillng the old ones will be free as well. Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 7^th, 2022 at 2:41pm:

The fossil industry should be nationalized, but yes, we will see.

That would make them very expensive. Governments don't have a great tradition of budgets. Grin

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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 12644 Gender:	Re: Evidence for global warming. Reply #866 - Sep 7^th, 2022 at 3:56pm lee wrote on Sep 7^th, 2022 at 3:25pm: That would make them very expensive. Governments don't have a great tradition of budgets. Conservative neoliberal mythology. In the 1946 - 1970's Keynesian 'welfare state' era, governments funded necessary public housing, public services, full employment, and wages growth.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17404 Gender:	Re: Evidence for global warming. Reply #867 - Sep 7^th, 2022 at 4:09pm thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 7^th, 2022 at 3:56pm: In the 1946 - 1970's Keynesian 'welfare state' era, governments funded necessary public housing, public services, full employment, and wages growth. And 50 years of failure since.
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Reply #868 - Sep 7^th, 2022 at 5:13pm

lee wrote on Sep 7^th, 2022 at 4:09pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 7^th, 2022 at 3:56pm:

In the 1946 - 1970's Keynesian 'welfare state' era, governments funded necessary public housing, public services, full employment, and wages growth.

And 50 years of failure since. Grin

That's right, under the current 'small government', 'balanced govt. budget' mantra of neoliberal dogma.

A currency-issuing govt. doesn't need to 'balance its budget'.

See:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1645944963/new

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17404 Gender:	Re: Evidence for global warming. Reply #869 - Sep 7^th, 2022 at 5:24pm Poor Paul Keating.
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