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Mar 27th, 2019 at 8:16am
 
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Justice Department sides with court ruling ObamaCare invalid..

The Department of Justice (DOJ) on Monday announced that it is siding with a district court ruling that found the Affordable Care Act unconstitutional.

The move is an escalation of the Trump administration's legal battle against the health care law.

The DOJ previously argued in court that the law's pre-existing condition protections should be struck down. Now, the administration argues the entire law should be invalidated.

U.S. District Judge Reed O'Connor ruled in December that the Affordable Care Act's individual mandate is unconstitutional and that the rest of law is therefore invalid.

The DOJ said Monday that it agrees the decision should stand as the case works its way through the appeals process in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit.

"The Department of Justice has determined that the district court’s judgment should be affirmed," the department said in a short letter to the appeals court.


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Reply #1 - Mar 27th, 2019 at 8:22am
 
Gee! That's great news. Now, Dr. Blankeshipp will be able to get that second summer place out in the Hamptons.
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Reply #2 - Mar 27th, 2019 at 8:40am
 
I wonder if many GOP politicians secretly want universal healthcare in the USA because the demise of Obamacare will only bring it closer.
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Reply #3 - Mar 27th, 2019 at 8:50am
 
MMmmm

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Reply #4 - Mar 27th, 2019 at 11:00pm
 
Redmond Neck wrote on Mar 27th, 2019 at 8:50am:
MMmmm

More families having to declare bankruptcy or sell their houses to pay for major surgery!

Great country the old USA !  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes




I agree with your point but a persons home is protected from seizure for debt in this country no matter how poor and indebted one may be. As long as they keep up mortgage payments they will continue to have their home. The rest of their lives can be ruined but a modest attempt to pay medical bills will keep the bastards at bay.

Obamacare is really about forcing the general population to support a massive insurance industry not the actual people who give Medical care. I pay six or seven thousand dollars a year for medical coverage that has an ever higher deductible even though I haven't been to a Doctor in about 15 years. The deductible collected for treatment is just about all a clinic gets to keep after giving most of the rest to Insurance companies.

When your customers have deep pockets you charge what the market will bear! Government furnished health insurance isn't the answer because we all pay for that with higher taxes!

A friend felt ill last year and went to a local hospital. It was a Friday and Doctors didn't examine him until the following Monday. He was declared fit to return home that Monday and released. Insurance doesn't want to pay for the weekend because his Doctor didn't see him. The Hospital wants over $64,000 for a three night stay with three meals and a bed, it is called observation. Where can you find a Hotel that charges $21,000 per night with unlimited room service and a private nurse? The answer isn't government supported health care, it is taking away power from the Insurance Industry to drive up costs for their benefit and then ride to the rescue.
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Reply #5 - Mar 27th, 2019 at 11:04pm
 
Mortdooley wrote on Mar 27th, 2019 at 11:00pm:
Redmond Neck wrote on Mar 27th, 2019 at 8:50am:
MMmmm

More families having to declare bankruptcy or sell their houses to pay for major surgery!

Great country the old USA !  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes




I agree with your point but a persons home is protected from seizure for debt in this country no matter how poor and indebted one may be. As long as they keep up mortgage payments they will continue to have their home. The rest of their lives can be ruined but a modest attempt to pay medical bills will keep the bastards at bay.

Obamacare is really about forcing the general population to support a massive insurance industry not the actual people who give Medical care. I pay six or seven thousand dollars a year for medical coverage that has an ever higher deductible even though I haven't been to a Doctor in about 15 years. The deductible collected for treatment is just about all a clinic gets to keep after giving most of the rest to Insurance companies.

When your customers have deep pockets you charge what the market will bear! Government furnished health insurance isn't the answer because we all pay for that with higher taxes!

A friend felt ill last year and went to a local hospital. It was a Friday and Doctors didn't examine him until the following Monday. He was declared fit to return home that Monday and released. Insurance doesn't want to pay for the weekend because his Doctor didn't see him. The Hospital wants over $64,000 for a three night stay with three meals and a bed, it is called observation. Where can you find a Hotel that charges $21,000 per night with unlimited room service and a private nurse? The answer isn't government supported health care, it is taking away power from the Insurance Industry to drive up costs for their benefit and then ride to the rescue.


And the best way to go that, that has been shown to work all over the world, is to do away with insurance companies and the primary financer of health care.
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Reply #6 - Mar 27th, 2019 at 11:05pm
 
Violet Crumble wrote on Mar 27th, 2019 at 8:40am:
I wonder if many GOP politicians secretly want universal healthcare in the USA because the demise of Obamacare will only bring it closer.


No, dear, they want it because it's cheaper than the state paying top dollar for hospitals, Medicare and beefed-up medication prices.

Even Mr Trump wondered why they don't just implement a public health insurance scheme - after 3 years of campaigning against one.

Still, he also campaigned for Obama to release his uni grades. While he did that, of course, he had his fixer Cohen negotiating with Mr Trump's school and university to get Mr Trump's own grades, in his words, "buried".

DRAIN THE SWAMP, no?
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Reply #7 - Mar 27th, 2019 at 11:10pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Mar 27th, 2019 at 11:04pm:
Mortdooley wrote on Mar 27th, 2019 at 11:00pm:
Redmond Neck wrote on Mar 27th, 2019 at 8:50am:
MMmmm

More families having to declare bankruptcy or sell their houses to pay for major surgery!

Great country the old USA !  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes




I agree with your point but a persons home is protected from seizure for debt in this country no matter how poor and indebted one may be. As long as they keep up mortgage payments they will continue to have their home. The rest of their lives can be ruined but a modest attempt to pay medical bills will keep the bastards at bay.

Obamacare is really about forcing the general population to support a massive insurance industry not the actual people who give Medical care. I pay six or seven thousand dollars a year for medical coverage that has an ever higher deductible even though I haven't been to a Doctor in about 15 years. The deductible collected for treatment is just about all a clinic gets to keep after giving most of the rest to Insurance companies.

When your customers have deep pockets you charge what the market will bear! Government furnished health insurance isn't the answer because we all pay for that with higher taxes!

A friend felt ill last year and went to a local hospital. It was a Friday and Doctors didn't examine him until the following Monday. He was declared fit to return home that Monday and released. Insurance doesn't want to pay for the weekend because his Doctor didn't see him. The Hospital wants over $64,000 for a three night stay with three meals and a bed, it is called observation. Where can you find a Hotel that charges $21,000 per night with unlimited room service and a private nurse? The answer isn't government supported health care, it is taking away power from the Insurance Industry to drive up costs for their benefit and then ride to the rescue.


And the best way to go that, that has been shown to work all over the world, is to do away with insurance companies and the primary financer of health care.



Only if government doesn't replace Insurance companies by paying ruinous charges and passing it on to the public in higher taxes.
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Reply #8 - Mar 27th, 2019 at 11:14pm
 
Mortdooley wrote on Mar 27th, 2019 at 11:10pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Mar 27th, 2019 at 11:04pm:
Mortdooley wrote on Mar 27th, 2019 at 11:00pm:
Redmond Neck wrote on Mar 27th, 2019 at 8:50am:
MMmmm

More families having to declare bankruptcy or sell their houses to pay for major surgery!

Great country the old USA !  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes




I agree with your point but a persons home is protected from seizure for debt in this country no matter how poor and indebted one may be. As long as they keep up mortgage payments they will continue to have their home. The rest of their lives can be ruined but a modest attempt to pay medical bills will keep the bastards at bay.

Obamacare is really about forcing the general population to support a massive insurance industry not the actual people who give Medical care. I pay six or seven thousand dollars a year for medical coverage that has an ever higher deductible even though I haven't been to a Doctor in about 15 years. The deductible collected for treatment is just about all a clinic gets to keep after giving most of the rest to Insurance companies.

When your customers have deep pockets you charge what the market will bear! Government furnished health insurance isn't the answer because we all pay for that with higher taxes!

A friend felt ill last year and went to a local hospital. It was a Friday and Doctors didn't examine him until the following Monday. He was declared fit to return home that Monday and released. Insurance doesn't want to pay for the weekend because his Doctor didn't see him. The Hospital wants over $64,000 for a three night stay with three meals and a bed, it is called observation. Where can you find a Hotel that charges $21,000 per night with unlimited room service and a private nurse? The answer isn't government supported health care, it is taking away power from the Insurance Industry to drive up costs for their benefit and then ride to the rescue.


And the best way to go that, that has been shown to work all over the world, is to do away with insurance companies and the primary financer of health care.



Only if government doesn't replace Insurance companies by paying ruinous charges and passing it on to the public in higher taxes.


I agree, the US situation, much like their problem with guns, is uniquely problematic because of their leaders love of the "free market" (aka, lining their own pockets at the cost of the people).

Without regulating the industry first to rid it of the exorbitant price gouging, it would be an expensive solution to have publicly funded healthcare as it is.

Just like all industries with a powerful lobby, it's the people that always suffer.
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Reply #9 - Mar 27th, 2019 at 11:17pm
 
Mortdooley wrote on Mar 27th, 2019 at 11:10pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Mar 27th, 2019 at 11:04pm:
Mortdooley wrote on Mar 27th, 2019 at 11:00pm:
Redmond Neck wrote on Mar 27th, 2019 at 8:50am:
MMmmm

More families having to declare bankruptcy or sell their houses to pay for major surgery!

Great country the old USA !  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes




I agree with your point but a persons home is protected from seizure for debt in this country no matter how poor and indebted one may be. As long as they keep up mortgage payments they will continue to have their home. The rest of their lives can be ruined but a modest attempt to pay medical bills will keep the bastards at bay.

Obamacare is really about forcing the general population to support a massive insurance industry not the actual people who give Medical care. I pay six or seven thousand dollars a year for medical coverage that has an ever higher deductible even though I haven't been to a Doctor in about 15 years. The deductible collected for treatment is just about all a clinic gets to keep after giving most of the rest to Insurance companies.

When your customers have deep pockets you charge what the market will bear! Government furnished health insurance isn't the answer because we all pay for that with higher taxes!

A friend felt ill last year and went to a local hospital. It was a Friday and Doctors didn't examine him until the following Monday. He was declared fit to return home that Monday and released. Insurance doesn't want to pay for the weekend because his Doctor didn't see him. The Hospital wants over $64,000 for a three night stay with three meals and a bed, it is called observation. Where can you find a Hotel that charges $21,000 per night with unlimited room service and a private nurse? The answer isn't government supported health care, it is taking away power from the Insurance Industry to drive up costs for their benefit and then ride to the rescue.


And the best way to go that, that has been shown to work all over the world, is to do away with insurance companies and the primary financer of health care.



Only if government doesn't replace Insurance companies by paying ruinous charges and passing it on to the public in higher taxes.


True, but you already have that. If the US had a national health system - like most developed countries - it would be far cheaper.

It's a mystery to the rest of us why you don't do just that.
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Mortdooley wrote on Mar 27th, 2019 at 11:00pm:
Government furnished health insurance isn't the answer because we all pay for that with higher taxes!



The USA already spends more on healthcare than the rest of the world with worse outcomes.

The Democrats must be loving this. An early Xmas present from Mr. Trump.
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Reply #11 - Mar 30th, 2019 at 9:33am
 
Mechanic,

Can you explain how Obamacare is unconstitutional? Which section of the Constitution does the law violate?

Please quote the Section and clause and offer your interpretation of it.

I look forward to your explanation.
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Auggie wrote on Mar 30th, 2019 at 9:33am:
Mechanic,

Can you explain how Obamacare is unconstitutional? Which section of the Constitution does the law violate?

Please quote the Section and clause and offer your interpretation of it.

I look forward to your explanation.


Good luck with that.  When things get too hard he just abandons threads.
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Why a Judge Ruled Obamacare Unconstitutional....




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...........In 2012, in NFIB v. Sebelius, the Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of the individual mandate by the narrowest of margins when Chief Justice John Roberts, providing the deciding vote, devised a novel theory construing the penalty associated with violating the individual mandate as a tax that Congress has the power to levy under the Constitution.

Texas argues that once the penalty is reduced to $0, it can no longer be considered a legitimate tax, and that therefore the individual mandate would no longer have a constitutional leg to stand on.

Moreover, Texas argues, in upholding the individual mandate, the Supreme Court appeared to rely on the argument that Congress considered the individual mandate to be a central—indeed, indispensable—component of Obamacare that is not “severable” from the rest of its provisions, and that without it, the rest of the law should be invalidated.

A group of 17 states led by California are defending the law, arguing that even a tax of $0 is still a tax, and that it was never Congress’ intent to get rid of the rest of Obamacare when it repealed the financial penalty associated with the individual mandates as part of last year’s tax bill.

In granting the plaintiffs’ motion, O’Connor stated, showing his agreement with Texas’ argument:

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The [Tax Cuts and Jobs Act] eliminated that [individual mandate] tax. The Supreme Court’s reasoning in NFIB—buttressed by other binding precedent and plain text—thus compels the conclusion that the individual mandate may no longer be upheld under the tax power. And because the individual mandate continues to mandate the purchase of health insurance, it remains unsustainable under the Interstate Commerce Clause—as the Supreme Court already held.

    Finally, Congress stated many times unequivocally—through enacted text signed by the president—that the individual mandate is “essential” to the ACA. And this essentiality, the [Affordable Care Act’s] text makes clear, means the mandate must work ‘together with the other provisions’ for the Act to function as intended. All nine justices to review the [Affordable Care Act] acknowledged this text and Congress’s manifest intent to establish the individual mandate as the [Affordable Care Act’s] ‘essential’ provision. The current and previous administrations have recognized that, too. Because rewriting the ACA without its ‘essential’ feature is beyond the power of an Article III court, the Court thus adheres to Congress’s textually expressed intent and binding Supreme Court precedent to find the individual mandate is inseverable from the [Affordable Care Act’s] remaining provisions.........


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For a different slant (no, not the Chinese version ya racists).....

Also See:
 
Congress's Worst Nightmare: Obamacare May Be Unconstitutional




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The US is virtually a third world dump that does all it can to screw its own people.
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