Stating the obvious could be viewed as being "negative" dialogue. Opportunities to say something constructive and more informative are lost, and stating the obvious often means policies are not thoroughly thought out and the pressure of an interview brings out clichés and statements that seem more than obvious to the audience, they're not only a waste of oxygen, they can also be vote losers

It's an easy way out when the interviewee is suffering brain fade and can't sustain intelligent dialogue.

Partisanship of course knows no "negatives", only "positives" from their particular group's dynamics, but for neutral spectators observing from the sidelines, watching people state the obvious is hilarious and only lowers the status of interviewee

I'll start the list ... I'll add to it as I hear them, or add some from the recent past as I find them


Andrew Constance (NSW Lib) - "Ferries are ferries, they are for ferrying people across the harbour"

Bill Shorten (Fed Labor) - "Cancer makes you sick"

Chris Bowen (Fed Labor) - "Many people suffering cancer have had to reduce their hours of work, or give up work entirely"

Muslims are wankers.

5 days ago - Peanut Man was here.
But now he's gone.
(public toilet door back in the 70's of Mt Druitt)

Adam Whyte (Commander New South Wales Police) "It's unacceptable behavior" (re: black Africans attempting to steal mobile phones at a Casula store)

Ok Bias. i think we can see ideologically where you are heading with this.

It has always struck me as slightly ridiculous when Police chief commissioners or police ministers lecture the public on taking more care while driving.

Quote:


Do theses lectures actually achieve anything?
I don't think I've ever heard a teenager say "The police minister said we better drive more carefully, so slow down a bit"
Or is it just the old case in politics of being seen to be doing something

It's a common dialogue now in front of camera's because of the fear of retaliation in the form of Law Suits, disciplinary action, etc.

Just take a look at Sportsmen and what they say in interviews: its all the same. But when they think 'the Public via the Media' are not listening. They cut loose with all sorts of sledging.

Even Princess Diana was a potty mouth, when she thought no 'media' were listening in.

So 'on camera'. Everyone just states the obvious.
It's safer that way and I would too.

Jasin wrote on Oct 7^th, 2019 at 9:17am:



The more intelligent people in the community hardly ever state the obvious, if at all. They know better because making statements about issues that the populace is already aware of injects nothing new into the conversation

When a high ranking police officer or an Education official states the obvious just to be "safe" before the camera, you know they're only thinking of themselves and not being fair dinkum about critical issues facing the community

Here's a good one from the past - I once wrote to the NSW Transport Minister about Greenslips premiums being exorbitant, at the time when "gold plating" was being applied to compulsory third party insurance, getting ready for privatization of Greenslips. The Minister wrote back and in his own stupid words said: "People are killed on the roads" - How obvious was that?, what a drongo

The most ridiculous one I've heard though, was Bill Shorten's "Cancer makes you sick" - That one made him very unsafe before the camera, and he didn't say it just once, he said it numerous times, supposedly trying to convince us that cancer really does make you sick

Bias_2012 wrote on Oct 7^th, 2019 at 2:11pm:


That depends on the context.
Most sports people and politicians are on the defensive when they are interrogated by the media. They play a "straight bat" because they know that the media will latch onto anything that deviates from the scripted clichés.

Rather than being a sign of unintelligence, it is tactic in dealing with the media.
Most politicians, sports people and other people in the media spot light are trained this way in dealing with the media.

Bias_2012 wrote on Oct 7^th, 2019 at 4:15pm:


Barnacle is right.
But not 'everyone' is like that. Stuart has 'used' the Media to lash out at others. Like Mundine & Fenech do.

I don't think 'all of Australia' trusts the Media.
I certainly don't.
Media hiring 'thugs n sluts' lately to boost their ranks here in Australia. A sleazy tactic for fast money shows.
Media just pumping Anti-Trump/Internet panels and Interview Shows.

I don't 'hate' the Media.
But I do know that they too are at fault, because the World turns again and they feel left behind.

The same fraidie cat again .....

Chief Inspector Brian Pedersen said: "It was a disgraceful attack"

You don't say Inspector, what else would it be?

(Re: Charity bike rider bashed by teenagers)

Bias_2012 wrote on Oct 8^th, 2019 at 2:11pm:


Also lets not over estimate the intelligence and attention span of the general public
For most people a quick sound bite of a politician/police chief saying "this is outrageous" is all they want to hear.

whereas a comment that could have had the effect of helping the community to determine practical ways for parents to advise teenagers to watch their step........that's the subject of an hour long documentary. Most people's eyes would just glaze over.

Penny Wong (Labor leader in the Federal Senate)

"Turkey"s action against the Kurds risks de-stabilizing the region"

(Re: Turkey"s military action in northern Syria)

Peter Beattie    (Head of Rugby League Australia)

"They are not robots, they are human beings"


(Re: wrong "6 again" signal in 2019 Grand Final)

Mark McGowan

(WA Premier)

"shocking, appalling, horrible, tragic”


(Re: Two girls found dead in home in Madeley, Perth)

BigP wrote on Oct 30^th, 2019 at 3:34pm:



The "beholder" needs to know that stating the obvious is just mindless rhetoric meant to appease the brainwashed followers of those who are spruiking those unintelligent statements

They are knee jerk reactions from frightened little minds

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 14^th, 2019 at 4:07pm:



That's so appalling, I wonder if it is the Media and its lack-lustre approach and questions that seem to draw these answers out like someone trying to draw poison from a wound like some out-dated fashion?

Jim Chalmers

  ()


"

The behavior at Westpac was nothing short of disgraceful

"



  ()


"

The alleged breaches are of the most serious nature

"



(Re: Westpac accused of 23 million breaches by money laundering)

Anthony Albanese

  ()

""


(Re: destructive bush fires)

Scott Morrison

   

“People are really hurting,”

(Re: destructive bush fires)

Andrew Constance

   

“So to be honest the locals probably gave him the welcome he probably deserved"


(Re: Scott Morrison visit to Cobargo)

Gary Worboys

   

"It's disgusting behavior"


(Re: Looting of bushfire victims property)

Hollywood can via their God of Science.

Matt Brophey

 

"This is a deplorable act, low and despicable"

(Re: Theft of bush fire donations from hotel)

Dnarever wrote on Jan 18^th, 2020 at 7:21am:


Who said that, just you, or some politician maybe?

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 19^th, 2020 at 12:57pm:


you win.

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 19^th, 2020 at 3:26pm:

Having read the original post I’m left wondering what the hell it has to do with philosophy anyway. Maybe a new sub-branch of an often abused discipline has festered into existence  without me noticing?

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 12:07pm:

Can I suggest those ‘running the country’ seldom possess anything as systematic as a philosophy. They may be addicted to all manner of theological fairy tales, subscribe to watered down versions of Randian ‘Objectivism’ or baste their statements with diluted Marxism but to suggest any have a developed philosophy is just too flattering for the vast majority of the fools running this planet at this point in time.
As to where their mindless rhetoric is leading us I’d suggest blindfolded at high speed down a dead end alley.

Jasin wrote on Jan 21^st, 2020 at 6:51pm:


Ms Hines would be very puzzled if she stumbled across her name being used in relation to this thread.

"we are the most successful multicultural society in the world" that's pretty obvious.

Johnnie wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2020 at 9:25pm:

New York doesn’t do all that badly.

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2020 at 9:37pm:

With black gangs running rampant in Melbourne and our max security jails full of terrorists, tens of thousands of bollards, cops now with machine guns and hundreds of thousands or millions of non assimilable imports I would hate to see the worst multicultural society, we are the biggest newest multicultural experiment in the world. The future generations will bear the brunt.

Johnnie wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2020 at 3:59pm:



Do you see Multi-Cultural/Multi-Racial integration getting on in the USA?
No - the place is a crap hole mess and so will Australia.

Sydney & Melbourne have already 'sold out' (since 2000) to the International Scene and they have become nothing more than a Business District with Slums.

This is not such a bad one. The Dr is calling for a zero alcohol limit. I think we can all concur with that


Dr John Crozier   


"There are things we can still do better"


(Re: Four children killed by drunk driver at Oatlands, near Parramatta)

Donald Trump (US president)

"People are dying who have never died before"

Anthony Boyd

   

"To attack defenseless elderly people in their own home is a cowardly gutless attack"

(Re: Home invasion - Bilpin elderly apple grower bludgeoned and dies while trying to protect his elderly wife)

Mark McGowan

 

"Police officers are people"

(Re: WA Coronavirus)

Daniel Andrews

   

"It's nothing short of shameful"

(Re: Police officer thrown through air and hits parked car face first, caused by offender resisting arrest by reversing his car and smashing it into parked cars before driving off)

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 21^st, 2020 at 2:54am:


There's a new wave of Criminals entering Australia and the tired old British Criminals are finding it tough to compete.
Also, the Religion of Islam is much like Aboriginal Culture: the both worship the Holy and Sacred 'Land' as the foundation of their way of lives. Both point to Africa.
This is why Moslems will succeed here, like Jews in the USA. They're not here to outbreed. They're here to 'Empower' their Religion at the top of the pyramid.

Natalie Antaw

   




(Re: Two young boys killed in an alleged hit-and-run by an unlicensed driver in Dubbo NSW. Drugs were found)

(A witness stated that the car was speeding up and down the street and "chucking wheelies")

Obvious? What is obvious is this thread has no place in a forum section titled Philosophy. What is it about a large percentage of posters on this forum that makes them incapable of understanding the meaning of such terms? Lack of eduction, blatant stupidity or both?

Ayn Marx wrote on Jan 24^th, 2021 at 9:05am:

Stating the obvious could be viewed as being "negative" dialogue. Opportunities to say something constructive and more informative are lost, and stating the obvious often means policies are not thoroughly thought out and the pressure of an interview brings out clichés and statements that seem more than obvious to the audience, they're not only a waste of oxygen, they can also be vote losers

It's an easy way out when the interviewee is suffering brain fade and can't sustain intelligent dialogue.

Partisanship of course knows no "negatives", only "positives" from their particular group's dynamics, but for neutral spectators observing from the sidelines, watching people state the obvious is hilarious and only lowers the status of interviewee

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 24^th, 2021 at 10:28pm:


10 posts in 2 years
I would hardly call that a ringing endorsement.

What is obvious is that for the last 2 years you have cherry picked people and issues that you've had an axe to grind against.
This thread isn't about stating the obvious. This is just another thinly veiled attempt by you to push your biggoted agenda on the philosophy forum.
I really don't know why you bother when there are so many other forums you could post this crap on

Daniel Andrews

   

"Everyone wants this to be over"

(Re: Talking about Coronavirus on ABC News 24)

There's been quite a lull lately, not since the 6th of Jan has there been anyone stating the obvious before the cameras. They could be wisening up, but Daniel Andrews spoiled it by making one to-day - the pressure of the daily Covid talk perhaps?

It's unfortunate that it happens, we don't need to be told what we already know. If I was to say: "Covid exists in Australia and we need to get rid of it" ... other posters would say: "No kidding, where did you hear that?, tell us another one we don't know"

You see, I stated the obvious, doesn't go down too well, the brain needs to be engaged to avoid ridicule

Gladys avoided ridicule the other week before making a certain statement, she used the prefix: "To use a generic term," ... then rattled off the statement. Good for you Gladys

Get drunk.
Fall over.

The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 21^st, 2021 at 11:32am:



I expect male leaders to man-up and not be children, but be grown adults

All of us know it's awful. It also seems to be predatory, more than once apparently this has happened

Taking the soft approach and just saying it's "awful" demeans the seriousness of the allegation

What is "awful", almost criminal, is the state of mind they project as a means to protect their "clique". The Public can be fooled when the same type of condescending language is used time after time

Rape is a very serious crime, it's not just "awful", it's criminal, and the rhetoric in the aftermath of the allegations should reflect that

Justice Helen Wilson

   

"A crime of extraordinary viciousness and brutality"

(Re: Young woman who stabbed her loving and caring mother more than 100 times using seven knives, then cut her mother's head off, then carried her mother's head outside and dumped it on the footpath)

Tony Fleming 

“It’s unacceptable that people break into people’s houses and set upon them with weapons."

(Re: Rugby legend Kefu stabbed in stomach; condition critical after foiling home invasion 16/8/21)

Gladys Berejiklian

 

"Deaths are horrible"

(Re: While answering questions about Delta Virus at daily press conference)

Jacinda Ardern

   

"It was wrong"

(Re: Describing radicalized Islamic terrorist's stabbing of seven shoppers)

On March 16, Lawrence Oates stepped outside the tent with the immortal words:


“I am just going outside and may be some time.”


He walked out into a blizzard and -40 degree weather, never to be seen again.

Darren Bennett   

"It's an atrocious crime that shouldn't have taken place"

(Re: Daylight gangland shooting in Sydney that left a father and son dead, in a long list of gangland-style" killings)

Ayn Marx wrote on Oct 21^st, 2021 at 8:47am:

You wander about in unending perplexity...

Ayn Marx wrote on Oct 21^st, 2021 at 8:47am:


Even this statement of yours is philosophical

Did you think about that before you posted it?

Ayn Marx wrote on Oct 21^st, 2021 at 1:04pm:





You will not find much love of or pursuit of wisdom in academic philosophy.

https://ses.library.usyd.edu.au/handle/2123/345/browse?type=subject&value=Philos...

the definition "the study of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality, and existence" is touchingly silly, even if it's from Oxford. As if 'the fundamental nature' of anything was ever captured and pinned down for 'academic study'.

Ayn Marx wrote on Oct 21^st, 2021 at 7:30pm:



Two of their 'best' were raging poofs - Barthes, Foucault. Charming writers, completely bonkers ideas. Many of their Anglo epigones also (Judith Butler, gawd'elpus)

Bureaucratic fccwits live among us, in ever greater numbers:


A council in England's south-east has been forced to apologise after lifting cars with a crane to paint double yellow lines along the road edge, then fining the owners of those cars after they were lowered back down.



That's England -  imagine China, India, Sudan, Nigeria etc.