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Apr 18^th, 2019 at 10:16am

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/blogs/tim-blair/oopsydoopsy-oosting/news-story...

GetUp commander Paul Oosting is so hopeless and wayward that even the ABC’s Jon Faine can’t resist slapping him around:

GetUp has been forced to amend its instructions to volunteers after the activist group's boss was caught in an embarrassing interview in which he was unable to justify claims Treasurer Josh Frydenberg was "part of the coup" against Malcolm Turnbull.

National director Paul Oosting had defended a GetUp instruction manual that suggested volunteers tell voters Mr Frydenberg was "part of the coup that removed Malcolm Turnbull as Prime Minister", even if he might be "a nice person".

GetUp – which has amassed a donations war chest of $12.5 million in the past year – has now scrapped references to the coup from the manual, instead saying Mr Frydenberg was "part of the chaos in Canberra" …

In an awkward encounter with Faine on Wednesday, Mr Oosting said there was "undoubtedly a coup that [Mr Frydenberg] was part of within the Liberal Party".

Faine argued that by that logic, every Liberal MP would have been part of the push against Mr Turnbull, which would be unfair given that almost 50 per cent voted against it.

Things quickly became even more embarrassing for Oosting, who in addition to not knowing anything of Frydenberg’s immediate past was also unaware of the Treasurer’s current title:

He was twice corrected by ABC host Jon Faine as to Mr Frydenberg's current role. Mr Oosting said he did not believe that Mr Frydenberg became "the deputy prime minister by accident", at which point Faine pointed out that he is not the deputy prime minister.

"Apologies, he's the finance minister," Mr Oosting replied.

"Treasurer," Faine corrected.

"I'll get there eventually," Mr Oosting said.

And now we know why GetUp prefers lurking in the background. A spotlight is not flattering.

hilarious! perhaps he even uses the same 'acting' coach shortarse uses.... Grin

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 140084 Gender:	Re: GETUP oooooops... Reply #1 - Apr 18^th, 2019 at 10:17am "GetUp – which has amassed a donations war chest of $12.5 million in the past year ..." Excellent!
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Reply #2 - Apr 18^th, 2019 at 10:24am

You mean they are not permitted to gather donations? $12.5m is chicken feed... look at Labor and the LNP..

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-01/donations-australia-federal-politics-fore...

https://startsat60.com/discover/news/politics/coalition-labor-political-donation...

"While Scott Morrison’s Liberal Party filed a return for $62.8million in total receipts across all its state and territory divisions, Labor fell shortly behind with a sum of $60million."

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Reply #3 - Apr 18^th, 2019 at 10:30am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Apr 18^th, 2019 at 10:24am:

You mean they are not permitted to gather donations? $12.5m is chicken feed... look at Labor and the LNP..

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-01/donations-australia-federal-politics-fore...

https://startsat60.com/discover/news/politics/coalition-labor-political-donation...

"While Scott Morrison’s Liberal Party filed a return for $62.8million in total receipts across all its state and territory divisions, Labor fell shortly behind with a sum of $60million."

well I look at it this way grap..

we can vote for the LNP or LABOR... can you vote for GETUP?.... yet they are doing untold business in seats of their choosing...

all I know is I am not happy about that....

who are these people where does the money spring from?.. why are they allowed to enter the fray without being official?....

a volunteer is hardly a volunteer spruiking from a manual full of lies...

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: GETUP oooooops... Reply #4 - Apr 18^th, 2019 at 10:33am we orI !at least expect legal parties to have a war chest....I have no problems with that grap... as long as they follow the lines.... its these behind the scene pulling the strings ones that I object too
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 140084 Gender:	Re: GETUP oooooops... Reply #5 - Apr 18^th, 2019 at 10:37am cods wrote on Apr 18^th, 2019 at 10:33am: we orI !at least expect legal parties to have a war chest....I have no problems with that grap... as long as they follow the lines.... its these behind the scene pulling the strings ones that I object too Why? I really don't understand your objection.
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38875 Gender:	Re: GETUP oooooops... Reply #6 - Apr 18^th, 2019 at 10:39am Cods, is Murdoch 'official?' Were the Banks when they got all political some years ago? Is the Australian Shooters Org 'official' etc etc etc?
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Redmond Neck Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 21750 ACT Gender:	Re: GETUP oooooops... Reply #7 - Apr 18^th, 2019 at 10:41am Aussie wrote on Apr 18^th, 2019 at 10:39am: Cods, is Murdoch 'official?' Were the Banks when they got all political some years ago? Is the Australian Shooters Org 'official' etc etc etc? They are all OK as long as they back the rightards eh codsy?
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Reply #8 - Apr 18^th, 2019 at 10:48am

cods wrote on Apr 18^th, 2019 at 10:33am:

we orI !at least expect legal parties to have a war chest....I have no problems with that grap...

as long as they follow the lines....

its these behind the scene pulling the strings ones that I object too

So, are you opposed to all the lobby groups who support the Liberal Party?

The Business Council of Australia, for example.

The Australian Industry Group.

Do you object to these organisations' links with the Liberal Party?

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Reply #9 - Apr 18^th, 2019 at 10:55am

cods wrote on Apr 18^th, 2019 at 10:33am:

we orI !at least expect legal parties to have a war chest....I have no problems with that grap...

as long as they follow the lines....

its these behind the scene pulling the strings ones that I object too

So any other organisation apart from a party is not entitled to collect funds? Does that also apply to the sweethearts of right and left, such as the gay lobbies, the feminist groups, the business organisations, the industry groups, the lawyers, doctors and real estate agents and so forth ... in short, every self and special interest group in the land?

Or do they have to pass some ideologically acceptable test to get a gig in collecting funds and putting them towards their aims?

For a self-ordained liberal person, cods, you are remarkable in pointing the way towards a totalitarian state...

The naivety truly is strong in this one ....

What about the unelected caucuses of both Labor and LNP, cods... what about your 'national president' Greiner copping yet another nice little earner for betraying the Liberal Party as he did in NSW and rendering it more of a right wing totalitarian instrument run by cronyism and theft from the public pocket? What about all those unelected honkies who actually make the decisions for all these parties, up to and including who will stand for election in certain seats? Are THEY to be banned from gathering funds?

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Reply #10 - Apr 18^th, 2019 at 11:08am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Apr 18^th, 2019 at 10:55am:

cods wrote on Apr 18^th, 2019 at 10:33am:

we orI !at least expect legal parties to have a war chest....I have no problems with that grap...

as long as they follow the lines....

its these behind the scene pulling the strings ones that I object too

So any other organisation apart from a party is not entitled to collect funds? Does that also apply to the sweethearts of right and left, such as the gay lobbies, the feminist groups, the business organisations, the industry groups, the lawyers, doctors and real estate agents and so forth ... in short, every self and special interest group in the land?

Or do they have to pass some ideologically acceptable test to get a gig in collecting funds and putting them towards their aims?

For a self-ordained liberal person, cods, you are remarkable in pointing the way towards a totalitarian state...

The naivety truly is strong in this one ....

What about the unelected caucuses of both Labor and LNP, cods... what about your 'national president' Greiner copping yet another nice little earner for betraying the Liberal Party as he did in NSW and rendering it more of a right wing totalitarian instrument run by cronyism and theft from the public pocket? What about all those unelected honkies who actually make the decisions for all these parties, up to and including who will stand for election in certain seats? Are THEY to be banned from gathering funds?

seriously are you in one of your moods grap..

its what happens to that money... grap its where is spent and the damage as you can see by the lies in the printed manual that so called volunteers are spruiking....in specially selected areas.....

what if extreme righties did the same thing in labor held seats....used lies and money from invisible parties to get someone of their choosing elected?????

it isnt right....you obviously think its ok....good for you!

stop twisting what I am saying to fit in with your weird way of looking at things.....

this isnt about THE COLLECTION....

anyway dont bother with this grap its too hard for you I get that....you give me a headache..

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Reply #11 - Apr 18^th, 2019 at 11:11am

cods wrote on Apr 18^th, 2019 at 11:08am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Apr 18^th, 2019 at 10:55am:

cods wrote on Apr 18^th, 2019 at 10:33am:

we orI !at least expect legal parties to have a war chest....I have no problems with that grap...

as long as they follow the lines....

its these behind the scene pulling the strings ones that I object too

So any other organisation apart from a party is not entitled to collect funds? Does that also apply to the sweethearts of right and left, such as the gay lobbies, the feminist groups, the business organisations, the industry groups, the lawyers, doctors and real estate agents and so forth ... in short, every self and special interest group in the land?

Or do they have to pass some ideologically acceptable test to get a gig in collecting funds and putting them towards their aims?

For a self-ordained liberal person, cods, you are remarkable in pointing the way towards a totalitarian state...

The naivety truly is strong in this one ....

What about the unelected caucuses of both Labor and LNP, cods... what about your 'national president' Greiner copping yet another nice little earner for betraying the Liberal Party as he did in NSW and rendering it more of a right wing totalitarian instrument run by cronyism and theft from the public pocket? What about all those unelected honkies who actually make the decisions for all these parties, up to and including who will stand for election in certain seats? Are THEY to be banned from gathering funds?

seriously are you in one of your moods grap..

its what happens to that money... grap its where is spent and the damage as you can see by the lies in the printed manual that so called volunteers are spruiking....in specially selected areas.....

what if extreme righties did the same thing in labor held seats....used lies and money from invisible parties to get someone of their choosing elected?????

it isnt right....you obviously think its ok....good for you!

stop twisting what I am saying to fit in with your weird way of looking at things.....

this isnt about THE COLLECTION....

anyway dont bother with this grap its too hard for you I get that....you give me a headache..

The right does do it, and it's not invisible money.

Here, see for yourself:

https://www.getup.org.au/about/powering-getup?target=donations-disclosure#accord...

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Reply #12 - Apr 18^th, 2019 at 11:12am

cods wrote on Apr 18^th, 2019 at 11:08am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Apr 18^th, 2019 at 10:55am:

cods wrote on Apr 18^th, 2019 at 10:33am:

we orI !at least expect legal parties to have a war chest....I have no problems with that grap...

as long as they follow the lines....

its these behind the scene pulling the strings ones that I object too

So any other organisation apart from a party is not entitled to collect funds? Does that also apply to the sweethearts of right and left, such as the gay lobbies, the feminist groups, the business organisations, the industry groups, the lawyers, doctors and real estate agents and so forth ... in short, every self and special interest group in the land?

Or do they have to pass some ideologically acceptable test to get a gig in collecting funds and putting them towards their aims?

For a self-ordained liberal person, cods, you are remarkable in pointing the way towards a totalitarian state...

The naivety truly is strong in this one ....

What about the unelected caucuses of both Labor and LNP, cods... what about your 'national president' Greiner copping yet another nice little earner for betraying the Liberal Party as he did in NSW and rendering it more of a right wing totalitarian instrument run by cronyism and theft from the public pocket? What about all those unelected honkies who actually make the decisions for all these parties, up to and including who will stand for election in certain seats? Are THEY to be banned from gathering funds?

seriously are you in one of your moods grap..

its what happens to that money... grap its where is spent and the damage as you can see by the lies in the printed manual that so called volunteers are spruiking....in specially selected areas.....

what if extreme righties did the same thing in labor held seats....used lies and money from invisible parties to get someone of their choosing elected?????

it isnt right....you obviously think its ok....good for you!

stop twisting what I am saying to fit in with your weird way of looking at things.....

this isnt about THE COLLECTION....

anyway dont bother with this grap its too hard for you I get that....you give me a headache..

Ah, I see - so it's no longer about the RIGHT to collect funds to support your aims - it's about how you use those funds.. and by extension, whether that use is appropriate in the eyes of the beholder - in this case, you....

Rule by personal view... i.e. I disagree with that group so anything they do is wrong, but anything the groups I like do is right.... OK...

See what I mean about your advocating a totalitarian state?

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Reply #13 - Apr 18^th, 2019 at 11:19am

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 18^th, 2019 at 10:48am:

cods wrote on Apr 18^th, 2019 at 10:33am:

we orI !at least expect legal parties to have a war chest....I have no problems with that grap...

as long as they follow the lines....

its these behind the scene pulling the strings ones that I object too

So, are you opposed to all the lobby groups who support the Liberal Party?

The Business Council of Australia, for example.

The Australian Industry Group.

Do you object to these organisations' links with the Liberal Party?

What about this, cods:

'Retiree group' lobbying against Labor unmasked as Liberal Party and trucking industry operation

Are you opposed to that group too?

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Reply #14 - Apr 18^th, 2019 at 11:26am

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 18^th, 2019 at 11:19am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 18^th, 2019 at 10:48am:

cods wrote on Apr 18^th, 2019 at 10:33am:

we orI !at least expect legal parties to have a war chest....I have no problems with that grap...

as long as they follow the lines....

its these behind the scene pulling the strings ones that I object too

So, are you opposed to all the lobby groups who support the Liberal Party?

The Business Council of Australia, for example.

The Australian Industry Group.

Do you object to these organisations' links with the Liberal Party?

What about this, cods:

'Retiree group' lobbying against Labor unmasked as Liberal Party and trucking industry operation

Are you opposed to that group too?

I assume you're outraged by this, cods.

"A lobby group masquerading as a grassroots organisation of disgruntled retirees is actually a network of professional lobbyists involved in the trucking industry and the Liberal Party, with a history of campaigning against Labor government policies."

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