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Reply #45 - Apr 24^th, 2019 at 2:59pm

cods wrote on Apr 24^th, 2019 at 10:18am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 24^th, 2019 at 9:11am:

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Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2019 at 10:33pm:

why do we keep tolerating religious institutions in the 21 st century ? You'd think by now even the dumbest amongst us has woken up to their scams

Because the alternative is intolerance and the destruction of personal freedom. Here are some of the benefits:

https://suchanek.name/texts/atheism/ChapterPositive.html

Guiding Society: Discusses positive effects that religion can have on society as a whole.
Giving Strength: Lists healthy effects of religion on the individual.
Making Society Better: Discusses the idea that religion makes society better.

All these terrorist attacks are hardly good adverts for religion.

IS PURE HATE A RELIGION NOW?

i can run around doing atrocious things to other human beings....all in the name of some belief I have....

doesnt mean a thing really other than HATE...

where in the bible does god use the words HATE EACH OTHER.... where does it say that in the Koran?.... Roll Eyes

yes you can interpret it to mean anything you want it too..

HATE is easy like anger its quick its instant it can for a moment make you even feel a bit better ..

but does it solve or change anything????

if a god arrived tomorrow and made us all the same on the surface,....

all black for instance...no browns or whites or tinted.. all the one colour.....but inside we remain the same..

how do you think we would go???/..

No, dear, these attacks have nothing to do with religion. They're the work of killers.

Imagine committing to blowing yourself up as long as you can take out as many innocent people as possible.

Every religion - including Islamic leaders - condemns such actions. The waste of your own life alone is a sin, but killing men, women and children in the process?

I can't fathom this, and I've never met anyone who can.

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Reply #46 - Apr 24^th, 2019 at 3:23pm

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Madeleine Albright, when asked if the deaths of half a million kids was worth it, said yes, she believed it was worth it

so it's a matter of degree

big killers, little individual killers

I suspect the big killers run innumerable individual killers. All part of the same agenda

most of us survive and die of something else

planet drenched in blood through the eons

we get more emotional about the small-scale killings. Those at the top and the media, have cottoned-on

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Reply #47 - Apr 24^th, 2019 at 3:39pm

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The waste of your own life alone is a sin, but killing men, women and children in the process?

Suicide jihadists in islam:

Quran (2:207) - "And there is the type of man who gives his life to earn the pleasure of Allah..." This would not be in the Quran if it were not permissible.

Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."

Quran (9:111) - "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:

Slaughtering men women and children in islam

Quran (17:33) "And do not kill anyone which Allah has forbidden, except for a just cause."

The jihadists are the highest grade of muslims, allah hates the non believer, allah loves jihadists who die, it's O.K. to kill the women and kids if you do it in a just cause (jihadist suicide attacks against the kufir and apostates etc. would definitely be called a just cause in the eyes of allah, by these sicko muslims).

One day the world will wake up and call on muzzies to purge the evil in the doctrine of islam.

Until we do islamic terrorism remains on the table.

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Reply #49 - Apr 24^th, 2019 at 3:50pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 24^th, 2019 at 2:48pm:

0ktema wrote on Apr 24^th, 2019 at 2:44pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Apr 24^th, 2019 at 11:19am:

With over 300 recently killed by Islamic terrorism and the deaths in attacks in Europe hows the body count working out for you there Champ apologist wise? Not so good, especially as your much abused and misused quote bomb...actually cracker, deleted the near 3000 from Islamist terrorism deaths as a result of 9/11.

In short, islamists internationally running amok and killing, and you have done all you can to apologise and diminish that by deflecting to your abused “attacks” not deaths, in one country.

Why are so so try hard to defend Islamist murderers?

He does it because Islam (in general) doesn't cope all that well with criticism.

Neither do humans in general.

Yes, but it seems Muslims in particular require extra special handling lest more of them become triggered and then go all literal Quranic violent text on us.

Greg basically doesn't want to put any more focus than there already is on Islam/Muslims. In the hope that his actions will help mend a centuries old violent thread that runs deeply through the Islamic tapestry. He hopes to give ordinary Muslims a breathing space in which to embrace peaceful integration.

I can understand how he wants to give them breathing space, but in his way of doing this to excess he shows little to no regard for others genuine concerns. He merely slaps down anything contrary to his ideal, just as any ugly religious zealot would. His is not the middle path.

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Reply #50 - Apr 24^th, 2019 at 4:01pm

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Talmud first

In the last 30 days there were 86 Islamic attacks in 21 countries, in which 722 people were killed and 1257 injured.

There has been 34899 deadly muslim terrorist attacks since September 11 2001

It's got absolutely nothing to do with what's written in the Talmud, the Bible, the Puranas or any other sacred texts.

muslims kill people because the qur'an tells them to.

Stop apologizing for islamic terrorism.

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Reply #51 - Apr 24^th, 2019 at 4:13pm

Karnal wrote on Apr 24^th, 2019 at 2:59pm:

cods wrote on Apr 24^th, 2019 at 10:18am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 24^th, 2019 at 9:11am:

freediver wrote on Apr 24^th, 2019 at 7:08am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2019 at 10:33pm:

why do we keep tolerating religious institutions in the 21 st century ? You'd think by now even the dumbest amongst us has woken up to their scams

Because the alternative is intolerance and the destruction of personal freedom. Here are some of the benefits:

https://suchanek.name/texts/atheism/ChapterPositive.html

Guiding Society: Discusses positive effects that religion can have on society as a whole.
Giving Strength: Lists healthy effects of religion on the individual.
Making Society Better: Discusses the idea that religion makes society better.

All these terrorist attacks are hardly good adverts for religion.

IS PURE HATE A RELIGION NOW?

i can run around doing atrocious things to other human beings....all in the name of some belief I have....

doesnt mean a thing really other than HATE...

where in the bible does god use the words HATE EACH OTHER.... where does it say that in the Koran?.... Roll Eyes

yes you can interpret it to mean anything you want it too..

HATE is easy like anger its quick its instant it can for a moment make you even feel a bit better ..

but does it solve or change anything????

if a god arrived tomorrow and made us all the same on the surface,....

all black for instance...no browns or whites or tinted.. all the one colour.....but inside we remain the same..

how do you think we would go???/..

No, dear, these attacks have nothing to do with religion. They're the work of killers.

Imagine committing to blowing yourself up as long as you can take out as many innocent people as possible.

Every religion - including Islamic leaders - condemns such actions. The waste of your own life alone is a sin, but killing men, women and children in the process?

I can't fathom this, and I've never met anyone who can.

Unfortunately not entirely true !

It has a lot to do with the interpretation of religious text (Religion).

And not all Islamic leaders condemn such actions (All it takes to be an Imam is to have followers, as there is no formal hierarchy in Islam. They merely follow one or another as inspired to do so)

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Reply #52 - Apr 24^th, 2019 at 4:15pm

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Don't expect any help from any of the sell-out governments. You know, those guys who've taken teh money and flooded the west with muslims. Those guys who engineered the wars to create muslim migrants/asylum seekers/refugees in the first place

why do you think the phony wars have focused on destroying the middle east? Why is Australia in the Middle east? Why were Norway, Denmark, UK etc. involved in the middle east? Blair lied. Bush lied. Cheyney lied

who profited? Who lost? What have been the results?

Results -- millions of muslims spread swiftly throughout the West

Anyone of any age remember hearing much about Islam or Muslims before the USrael started shenanigans in the Mid East?

Before tha, it was contained

Muslims were in their homeland, not prancing through Amsterdam and London with knives

then shenanigans in Afghanistan which dribbled into Pakistan etc

It's an agenda

Bash up the muslims in their own place

pretend then to care about the fallout and send millions of muslims into the west

then came the 'terrorist attacks'

The world-shapers at work

and it's not one-sided

you think all those islamic preachers just happened?

half of them have been shown to be izrayli

and, like sell-out politicians dumping tons of muslims on Westerners, there are also bought and paid for 'islamic-muslim activists' employed to preach hatred

the Saudis (widely said to be Donmeh Jews) have admitted to investing well over a hundred billion into ' the promotion of the spread of Islam in the West '. They're the guys who pay for all the islamic mosques throughout the west. And they fund the islamic schools throughout the west

If Ned Kelly and his gang rampaged through your town like mad dogs, killing everything in sight -- followed by Ned Kelly Inc. who told the survivors they could live in Ned Kelly Village where they'd be provided a free house, free money, etc. -- how would you feel? Your family members are rotting in the sand in your home town. Sure, you've been airlifted to Ned Kelly Village. Would that make you feel kindly towards Ned and his gang? Would you forget what they did to you and your people? Would the anger still fester inside you? I think so

So why is anyone acting amazed because muslims, not all, aren't kindly disposed towards the West?

Muslims in Oz know the average Aussie had nothing to do with USrail's war on the Mid East. Muslims in Oz know that Aussies generally don't really want any more foreigners in Australia

so whose fault is it? The muslims? Aussies? Other westerners?

Muslims have their mullahs raving on about Wahabbist idealogies on one hand. And they want to just live, raise their kids, pay off the house etc. on the other. They're being pressure baked. Aussies are being pushed by orchestrated 'terrorist attacks' and by unemployment, housing crises, bank crises, overflowing hospitals and schools, PC warnings, etc.

and it's not just happening here. It's the same everywhere

and at the back of all of it, most people know who're driving the enmities, same as always. Those -- those determined the world should be at its own throat -- are the ones who need taking out. And in that, muslims, Christians and most other religious sects would be as one

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Reply #53 - Apr 24^th, 2019 at 4:19pm

0ktema wrote on Apr 24^th, 2019 at 3:50pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 24^th, 2019 at 2:48pm:

0ktema wrote on Apr 24^th, 2019 at 2:44pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Apr 24^th, 2019 at 11:19am:

With over 300 recently killed by Islamic terrorism and the deaths in attacks in Europe hows the body count working out for you there Champ apologist wise? Not so good, especially as your much abused and misused quote bomb...actually cracker, deleted the near 3000 from Islamist terrorism deaths as a result of 9/11.

In short, islamists internationally running amok and killing, and you have done all you can to apologise and diminish that by deflecting to your abused “attacks” not deaths, in one country.

Why are so so try hard to defend Islamist murderers?

He does it because Islam (in general) doesn't cope all that well with criticism.

Neither do humans in general.

Yes, but it seems Muslims in particular require extra special handling lest more of them become triggered and then go all literal Quranic violent text on us.

Greg basically doesn't want to put any more focus than there already is on Islam/Muslims. In the hope that his actions will help mend a centuries old violent thread that runs deeply through the Islamic tapestry. Giving ordinary Muslims a breathing space in which to embrace peaceful integration.

I can understand how he wants to give them breathing space, but in his way of doing this to excess he shows little to no regard for others genuine concerns. He merely slaps down anything contrary to his ideal, just as any ugly religious zealot would. His is not the middle path.

What then, is the "middle path", in your opinion?

In mine, it is to not continually persecute people because they believe in a different religion to the accepted norm. We have seen all too often what the consequences of that sort of policy result in. Islamophobia concentrates, far too much IMO on what the tiny minority of Islamist Terrorists do and not upon what the overwhelming majority of peaceful, law-abiding, well assimilated Muslims are doing.

Islam can be criticised and most Muslims ignore criticism of their religion. The problem is most criticism of Islam is based upon IMHO ignorance and myth, rather than reality. Islam is different to Christianity and Judaism. Is that bad a thing? Not necessarily in a Multi-religious, Multicultural society. Time people learnt to live with it. Roll Eyes

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Reply #54 - Apr 24^th, 2019 at 4:31pm

Just goes to show how unintelligent muzzies are.

allahs' chosen people have all been mislead by the evil white Christian Judaic west.

These evil white western Judaeo Christians have conspired to make the muzzies kill themselves by the millions in the last 1400 years, have made them into a massive almost unsolvable refugee problem, have forced them to slaughter their children in the hundreds of thousands with hunger and refugee trauma, have turned muzzies into global terrorist organizations, have forced them to rape kids with legal child marriage and boy play, have made them turn their heartlands into piles of rubble etc. etc. etc.

How long will the loony leftards keep this crap up?

islam is a muslim supremacist death cult.

It's got absolutely nothing to do with anybody else, islam is the problem, nothing more nothing less.

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Reply #55 - Apr 24^th, 2019 at 4:35pm

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Islam is different to Christianity and Judaism. Is that bad a thing? Not necessarily in a Multi-religious, Multicultural society

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Point is, people in the West do not want, nor did they invite, a multi cultural society

it was imposed upon them by the self-appointed world shapers/world destroyers

and in order to achieve their objective, the world-destroyers engineered wars as an excuse to create 'multi cultural societies' in the West

and people don't want multi culturalism, no matter how it's sold to them as 'enriching'.

People prefer their own. It's hard wired into humans

Muslims, for example, prefer their own. As demonstrated by the muslim ghettos created in every land they've been dumped on

So muslims prefer their own, beyond any doubt. They worship at mosques and send their kids to muslim-exclusive schools. They take over entire suburbs within established western cities

so seeing you've taken it upon yourself to tell people to 'live with it'

take that same multi cultural message to muslims in the west -- tell them their culture is going to be deconstructed in the interests of assimilation and tell them to live with it

and of course, you won't. Because no one's paying forum propagandists to pump that message, eh?

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Reply #57 - Apr 24^th, 2019 at 4:51pm

PZ547 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2019 at 3:50pm:

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One day the world will wake up and call on muzzies to purge the evil in the doctrine of islam

Talmud first

PZ547,

The Koran, for the moslems,
and O.T. scripture [the books of Moses, and prophets], for the Jews,
are considered to be holy writings, and inspired by their Gods.

The Talmud are Jewish writings, about their religious observance.

Talmud is the creation of, inspired by, and the product of men.

The Talmud, what divine authority does it have ?

Next to the law of Moses ?

None, at all.

But you knew that already PZ547....

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1411513912/11#11

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Reply #58 - Apr 24^th, 2019 at 5:38pm

PZ547 wrote on Apr 24^th, 2019 at 4:35pm:

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Islam is different to Christianity and Judaism. Is that bad a thing? Not necessarily in a Multi-religious, Multicultural society

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Point is, people in the West do not want, nor did they invite, a multi cultural society

85% of Australians disagree with your viewpoint, mate.

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Reply #59 - Apr 24^th, 2019 at 5:41pm

Just goes to show how unintelligent Christians are.

Christ's chosen people have all been mislead by the evil white Christian Judaic west.

These evil white western Judaeo Christians have conspired to make the themselves kill Muslims by the millions in the last 1400 years, have made them into a massive almost unsolvable refugee problem, have forced them to slaughter their children in the hundreds of thousands with hunger and refugee trauma, have turned Christians into global terrorist organizations, have forced them to rape kids with legal child marriage and boy play, have made them turn their heartlands into piles of rubble etc. etc. etc.

How long will the loony Christians keep this crap up?

Christianity is a Christian supremacist death cult.

It's got absolutely nothing to do with anybody else, Christianity is the problem, nothing more nothing less. Roll Eyes

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