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Re: Muslim Australians found to suffer the most
Reply #15 - May 10^th, 2019 at 10:40pm

Secret Wars wrote on May 10^th, 2019 at 6:21pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 10^th, 2019 at 12:50pm:

Frank wrote on May 9^th, 2019 at 8:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 9^th, 2019 at 8:26pm:

Muslim Australians found to suffer the 'most disturbing' experiences in public among all faiths - hardly surprising really, considering the venom directed towards them on a daily basis... Roll Eyes

Wouldn't if happen if they were not the party of the jihadists.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. As usual, Soren, you lump all Muslims together in your Islamophobia. You ignore that the most frequent victims of Islamist Terrorism are Muslims, not Westerners as you appear to believe in your fantasies... Roll Eyes

What does the fact that the biggest victims of Islamic terrorism, and on a daily world wide scale, being other Muslims tell you Brian?

That Islamism is not popular amongst their ranks. That it is perceived as a danger to ordinary, everyday, peaceful, law-abiding Muslims. That they are not popular with the Islamists who seek to reform their ways. To replace them with their perverted views on how people should act towards one another and their beliefs. The ordinary, everyday, peaceful, law-abiding Muslims have moved on, they have managed to accommodate their religion with the 21st century. The Islamists never will. They hate anybody who has done so and desire to force them to change or to kill them in the process. Roll Eyes

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Reply #16 - May 10^th, 2019 at 11:35pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 10^th, 2019 at 10:40pm:

Secret Wars wrote on May 10^th, 2019 at 6:21pm:

What does the fact that the biggest victims of Islamic terrorism, and on a daily world wide scale, being other Muslims tell you Brian?

That Islamism is not popular amongst their ranks.

WHOSE RANKS ? THE RANKS OF MOSLEMS ?
THE FOLLOWERS OF ISLAM ???

That it is perceived as a danger to ordinary, everyday, peaceful, law-abiding Muslims.

SO, YOU MEAN, AS MOSLEMS, THEY OBEY ISLAMIC LAW ???

That they are not popular with the Islamists who seek to reform their ways.

WHY WOULD MOSLEMS, ALLAH'S 'BEST OF PEOPLE', NEED TO, OR WANT TO,
REFORM THEIR WAYS ???
THERE IS NO LOGIC IN YOUR ASSERTION.
IF I HAVE SOMETHING WHICH IS ALREADY PERFECT [ISLAMIC LAW], WHY WOULD I SEEK TO REFORM IT ???

To replace them with their perverted views on how people should act towards one another and their beliefs.

MOSLEMS, HAVE PERVERTED VIEWS ??? FIND ME A MOSLEM, WHO WILL ADMIT, THAT HIS VIEWS ARE PERVERTED.

The ordinary, everyday, peaceful, law-abiding Muslims have moved on, they have managed to accommodate their religion with the 21st century.

WHERE IS THIS SOCIETY OF EVERYDAY, PEACEFUL MOSLEMS, WHO OBEY ISLAMIC LAW ???
OR IS THIS A COMMUNITY OF IMAGINARY INDIVIDUALS ???

The Islamists never will.

BUT IT IS THE ISLAMISTS, WHO DO OBEY ISLAMIC LAW, ISN'T IT ???
SO AREN'T THE ISLAMISTS, THE GOOD MOSLEMS, THE LAW-ABIDING INDIVIDUALS ??

They hate anybody who has done so and desire to force them to change or to kill them in the process. Roll Eyes

THEY HATE, THE EVERYDAY, PEACEFUL MOSLEMS, WHO OBEY ISLAMIC LAW ???
WHO ARE 'THEY' ?

Brian, you refer to......

"....ordinary, everyday, peaceful, law-abiding Muslims."

Brian,

Whose peace exactly, do these moslems embrace ?

You do not define or specify that 'control' factor.

And whose laws, do these moslems 'abide' ?

Is it ISLAMIC law which these "....ordinary, everyday, peaceful, law-abiding Muslims." obey ?

And if it is NOT ISLAMIC law which these "....ordinary, everyday, peaceful, law-abiding Muslims." obey ?

Whose laws do they obey ?

MORE QUESTIONS;

And if they do NOT obey ISLAMIC law,
and if they do NOT obey the commandments of Allah,
and they do NOT obey the commandments in the Holy Koran,
and if they do NOT follow the murderous example of Mohammed, the Messenger of Allah,

...then in what sense, can these 'moslems' feel entitled, to continue to refer to themselves as 'moslems' ??

As individuals, do they still consider themselves to still be, an integral part of the ummah [the community] of the       followers of ISLAM ???

Do they still consider themselves to be,    ...'moslems' ???

i.e.
Why do they still refer to themselves, as moslems ?

Q.
Do they,    or do they NOT,    feel the need to obey the very real and onerous strictures of ISLAM and ISLAMIC law ?

QUESTIONS;
What, is a 'moslem' ?

If a moslem, isn't a follower of ISLAM, what is he ?

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Re: Muslim Australians found to suffer the most
Reply #17 - May 11^th, 2019 at 8:52am

Brian Ross wrote on May 10^th, 2019 at 10:40pm:

Secret Wars wrote on May 10^th, 2019 at 6:21pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 10^th, 2019 at 12:50pm:

Frank wrote on May 9^th, 2019 at 8:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 9^th, 2019 at 8:26pm:

Muslim Australians found to suffer the 'most disturbing' experiences in public among all faiths - hardly surprising really, considering the venom directed towards them on a daily basis... Roll Eyes

Wouldn't if happen if they were not the party of the jihadists.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. As usual, Soren, you lump all Muslims together in your Islamophobia. You ignore that the most frequent victims of Islamist Terrorism are Muslims, not Westerners as you appear to believe in your fantasies... Roll Eyes

What does the fact that the biggest victims of Islamic terrorism, and on a daily world wide scale, being other Muslims tell you Brian?

That Islamism is not popular amongst their ranks. That it is perceived as a danger to ordinary, everyday, peaceful, law-abiding Muslims. That they are not popular with the Islamists who seek to reform their ways. To replace them with their perverted views on how people should act towards one another and their beliefs. The ordinary, everyday, peaceful, law-abiding Muslims have moved on, they have managed to accommodate their religion with the 21st century. The Islamists never will. They hate anybody who has done so and desire to force them to change or to kill them in the process. Roll Eyes

But they do not perceive the threat Brian. There is widespread support for Islamism - but Muslims want their own version of it to be imposed on everyone else.

That is why Muslim-majority nations are invariably shitholes of oppression. Those working in favour of Islamic backwardness outnumber those working against it.

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Re: Muslim Australians found to suffer the most
Reply #18 - May 11^th, 2019 at 9:12am

Brian Ross wrote on May 10^th, 2019 at 10:40pm:

Secret Wars wrote on May 10^th, 2019 at 6:21pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 10^th, 2019 at 12:50pm:

Frank wrote on May 9^th, 2019 at 8:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 9^th, 2019 at 8:26pm:

Muslim Australians found to suffer the 'most disturbing' experiences in public among all faiths - hardly surprising really, considering the venom directed towards them on a daily basis... Roll Eyes

Wouldn't if happen if they were not the party of the jihadists.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. As usual, Soren, you lump all Muslims together in your Islamophobia. You ignore that the most frequent victims of Islamist Terrorism are Muslims, not Westerners as you appear to believe in your fantasies... Roll Eyes

What does the fact that the biggest victims of Islamic terrorism, and on a daily world wide scale, being other Muslims tell you Brian?

That Islamism is not popular amongst their ranks. That it is perceived as a danger to ordinary, everyday, peaceful, law-abiding Muslims. That they are not popular with the Islamists who seek to reform their ways. To replace them with their perverted views on how people should act towards one another and their beliefs. The ordinary, everyday, peaceful, law-abiding Muslims have moved on, they have managed to accommodate their religion with the 21st century. The Islamists never will. They hate anybody who has done so and desire to force them to change or to kill them in the process. Roll Eyes

Which bits of the Koran and Mohamed's example do these peaceful Muslims reject and have moved on from?
On what Islamic authority have they done so - if they have?

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Re: Muslim Australians found to suffer the most
Reply #19 - May 11^th, 2019 at 9:28am

Brian Ross wrote on May 10^th, 2019 at 12:50pm:

Frank wrote on May 9^th, 2019 at 8:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 9^th, 2019 at 8:26pm:

Muslim Australians found to suffer the 'most disturbing' experiences in public among all faiths - hardly surprising really, considering the venom directed towards them on a daily basis... Roll Eyes

Wouldn't if happen if they were not the party of the jihadists.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. As usual, Soren, you lump all Muslims together in your Islamophobia. You ignore that the most frequent victims of Islamist Terrorism are Muslims, not Westerners as you appear to believe in your fantasies... Roll Eyes

What, if not Islamic terrorism, makes them targets of 'disturbing experiences'?

Why else are people critical, disdainful and apprehensive of Muslims?

Tell us, Bwian, what else singles them out?

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Re: Muslim Australians found to suffer the most
Reply #21 - May 11^th, 2019 at 2:51pm

Frank wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 9:28am:

Brian Ross wrote on May 10^th, 2019 at 12:50pm:

Frank wrote on May 9^th, 2019 at 8:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 9^th, 2019 at 8:26pm:

Muslim Australians found to suffer the 'most disturbing' experiences in public among all faiths - hardly surprising really, considering the venom directed towards them on a daily basis... Roll Eyes

Wouldn't if happen if they were not the party of the jihadists.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. As usual, Soren, you lump all Muslims together in your Islamophobia. You ignore that the most frequent victims of Islamist Terrorism are Muslims, not Westerners as you appear to believe in your fantasies... Roll Eyes

What, if not Islamic terrorism, makes them targets of 'disturbing experiences'?

Why else are people critical, disdainful and apprehensive of Muslims?

Tell us, Bwian, what else singles them out?

They are singled out because they are willing to accommodate views and beliefs, Soren. I'd have thought it was bloody obvious, even to you as an Islamophobe that the Islamists feel threatened by the easy-going ways of the West with it's pluralist views on how people behave and believe. Islamists only accept one way - their way, rather as you only accept one way - your way, Soren. You'd make an excellent Islamist, you realise? Your narrow-mindedness and your hatred of anybody who dares to be different to how you believe they should act, dress, behave, worship, etc. You are the exact mirror image of what you claim you hate. Roll Eyes

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Re: Muslim Australians found to suffer the most
Reply #22 - May 11^th, 2019 at 2:55pm

Frank wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 9:12am:

Brian Ross wrote on May 10^th, 2019 at 10:40pm:

Secret Wars wrote on May 10^th, 2019 at 6:21pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 10^th, 2019 at 12:50pm:

Frank wrote on May 9^th, 2019 at 8:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 9^th, 2019 at 8:26pm:

Muslim Australians found to suffer the 'most disturbing' experiences in public among all faiths - hardly surprising really, considering the venom directed towards them on a daily basis... Roll Eyes

Wouldn't if happen if they were not the party of the jihadists.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. As usual, Soren, you lump all Muslims together in your Islamophobia. You ignore that the most frequent victims of Islamist Terrorism are Muslims, not Westerners as you appear to believe in your fantasies... Roll Eyes

What does the fact that the biggest victims of Islamic terrorism, and on a daily world wide scale, being other Muslims tell you Brian?

That Islamism is not popular amongst their ranks. That it is perceived as a danger to ordinary, everyday, peaceful, law-abiding Muslims. That they are not popular with the Islamists who seek to reform their ways. To replace them with their perverted views on how people should act towards one another and their beliefs. The ordinary, everyday, peaceful, law-abiding Muslims have moved on, they have managed to accommodate their religion with the 21st century. The Islamists never will. They hate anybody who has done so and desire to force them to change or to kill them in the process. Roll Eyes

Which bits of the Koran and Mohamed's example do these peaceful Muslims reject and have moved on from?

None. They merely ignore the bits that make it hard to live side-by-side with non-believers, Soren. They have reinterpreted the Q'ran to suit their own circumstances. I know, you a true believer in the message of Mohammed find the idea that people make up their own minds difficult to understand but that is the reality. Rather like how Christians now ignore the Old Testament of their holy book, the Bible, despite including it in every copy of the work... Roll Eyes

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On what Islamic authority have they done so - if they have?

Their own, Soren. You appear to forget that there is no one between the believer and their god, they are each their own authority on their own religion.

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Re: Muslim Australians found to suffer the most
Reply #23 - May 11^th, 2019 at 3:00pm

freediver wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 8:52am:

Brian Ross wrote on May 10^th, 2019 at 10:40pm:

Secret Wars wrote on May 10^th, 2019 at 6:21pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 10^th, 2019 at 12:50pm:

Frank wrote on May 9^th, 2019 at 8:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 9^th, 2019 at 8:26pm:

Muslim Australians found to suffer the 'most disturbing' experiences in public among all faiths - hardly surprising really, considering the venom directed towards them on a daily basis... Roll Eyes

Wouldn't if happen if they were not the party of the jihadists.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. As usual, Soren, you lump all Muslims together in your Islamophobia. You ignore that the most frequent victims of Islamist Terrorism are Muslims, not Westerners as you appear to believe in your fantasies... Roll Eyes

What does the fact that the biggest victims of Islamic terrorism, and on a daily world wide scale, being other Muslims tell you Brian?

That Islamism is not popular amongst their ranks. That it is perceived as a danger to ordinary, everyday, peaceful, law-abiding Muslims. That they are not popular with the Islamists who seek to reform their ways. To replace them with their perverted views on how people should act towards one another and their beliefs. The ordinary, everyday, peaceful, law-abiding Muslims have moved on, they have managed to accommodate their religion with the 21st century. The Islamists never will. They hate anybody who has done so and desire to force them to change or to kill them in the process. Roll Eyes

But they do not perceive the threat Brian. There is widespread support for Islamism - but Muslims want their own version of it to be imposed on everyone else.

Rather like the Christians who stand on the street corners and proclaim their message to the world, hey, FD? Rather like the Christians who go out into the world on missions to try and convert the unbelievers to their view of the world, right?

In reality, Islam is just like all evangalising religions, Freediver. It actively seeks to convert people. Sometimes it like Christianity does it violently, sometimes it does it quietly and peacefully. Guess which the Islamists use as a method and which one everyday, ordinary, mainstream Muslims use?

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That is why Muslim-majority nations are invariably shitholes of oppression. Those working in favour of Islamic backwardness outnumber those working against it.

They are invariably shitholes 'cause the West likes to buy their oil/canal passage from them and makes sure that the dictator presently in power favours the sale to them. Roll Eyes

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Reply #24 - May 11^th, 2019 at 3:03pm

Sometime they are the same. Most of the time they are opposites. Which is why the Islamic world has brought us shitholes of oppression, while the Christian world has brought us liberal democracies. This is not some accident of history. Muhammad was an oppressor, pretty much the opposite of Jesus, and the ideologies they spawned reflect this

Once more, you are equating the incompetence of Muslims with benign intent. The only reason that "every-day Muslims" are not still using rape evangelism is because the west waged several wars and many more interventions to put an end to it.

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Reply #25 - May 11^th, 2019 at 3:28pm

freediver wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 3:03pm:

Sometime they are the same. Most of the time they are opposites. Which is why the Islamic world has brought us shitholes of oppression, while the Christian world has brought us liberal democracies. This is not some accident of history. Muhammad was an oppressor, pretty much the opposite of Jesus, and the ideologies they spawned reflect this

Once more, you are equating the incompetence of Muslims with benign intent. The only reason that "every-day Muslims" are not still using rape evangelism is because the west waged several wars and many more interventions to put an end to it.

And so they did. So what? Christianity had to learn to respect women, children, people of colour and guess what, it basically does - now. Some Christians still don't though, now do they? Muslims have learnt they cannot use rape as a means to convert people, FD. Now they don't. Islamists do but they are a subset of all Muslims - something you and your fellow Islamophobes refuse to accept. Gee, I wonder why? Could it be because you fear all Muslims irrationally? Roll Eyes

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Reply #26 - May 11^th, 2019 at 4:12pm

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And so they did. So what?

So, it is time you faced up to the reality that Islam has shaped the modern world and a billion people still live without basic freedoms because of it. Instead of offering excuses, you could try offering solutions. Muslims only "learnt" not to use rape evangelism because we kept shooting them until it sunk in. In many cases it hasn't, as ISIS demonstrates. The threat has not gone away. It has merely been masked by the incompetence of Muslims to achieve their aims - an incompetence you too often mistake for benign intent.

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Reply #27 - May 11^th, 2019 at 4:24pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 2:51pm:

Frank wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 9:28am:

Brian Ross wrote on May 10^th, 2019 at 12:50pm:

Frank wrote on May 9^th, 2019 at 8:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 9^th, 2019 at 8:26pm:

Muslim Australians found to suffer the 'most disturbing' experiences in public among all faiths - hardly surprising really, considering the venom directed towards them on a daily basis... Roll Eyes

Wouldn't if happen if they were not the party of the jihadists.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. As usual, Soren, you lump all Muslims together in your Islamophobia. You ignore that the most frequent victims of Islamist Terrorism are Muslims, not Westerners as you appear to believe in your fantasies... Roll Eyes

What, if not Islamic terrorism, makes them targets of 'disturbing experiences'?

Why else are people critical, disdainful and apprehensive of Muslims?

Tell us, Bwian, what else singles them out?

They are singled out because they are willing to accommodate views and beliefs, Soren. I'd have thought it was bloody obvious, even to you as an Islamophobe that the Islamists feel threatened by the easy-going ways of the West with it's pluralist views on how people behave and believe. Islamists only accept one way - their way, rather as you only accept one way - your way, Soren. You'd make an excellent Islamist, you realise? Your narrow-mindedness and your hatred of anybody who dares to be different to how you believe they should act, dress, behave, worship, etc. You are the exact mirror image of what you claim you hate. Roll Eyes

Oh? So the article you linked to about muslims suffering was about Islamists?!?

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Re: Muslim Australians found to suffer the most
Reply #28 - May 11^th, 2019 at 4:26pm

Yadda wrote on May 9^th, 2019 at 10:17pm:

Karnal wrote on May 9^th, 2019 at 9:59pm:

Strange.

If Moslems can choose their own countries, why can't they just up and move here?

Brunei doesn't let them in, good luck with the Saudis.

The Turks and Indonesians and Gyppos have things called visas.

You?

If moslem countries won't admit moslems as new citizens,
shouldn't nations like Australia be inquiring, as to why that is ???? !!!!!

My understanding is that many moslem countries, regard moslems as being terrorist risks !!!

It seems that even moslem countries [who are experienced with the intricacies of ISLAMIC doctrines and laws] are also, unable to divine who are 'extremist' moslems, and who are the 'moderate' moslems!!

I reckon that if we uncover 'extremist' moslems here in Australia, the government should just behead them, and put their heads on spikes, and display them in the public square - as a warning to other 'extremists'.

I'm sure that moslem countries would thank our government, for getting rid of all those 'extremists',
who were hiding among our 'moderate' moslems.

What do ya think K ?

Sounds good

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Re: Muslim Australians found to suffer the most
Reply #29 - May 11^th, 2019 at 5:39pm

Frank wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 4:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 2:51pm:

Frank wrote on May 11^th, 2019 at 9:28am:

Brian Ross wrote on May 10^th, 2019 at 12:50pm:

Frank wrote on May 9^th, 2019 at 8:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 9^th, 2019 at 8:26pm:

Muslim Australians found to suffer the 'most disturbing' experiences in public among all faiths - hardly surprising really, considering the venom directed towards them on a daily basis... Roll Eyes

Wouldn't if happen if they were not the party of the jihadists.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. As usual, Soren, you lump all Muslims together in your Islamophobia. You ignore that the most frequent victims of Islamist Terrorism are Muslims, not Westerners as you appear to believe in your fantasies... Roll Eyes

What, if not Islamic terrorism, makes them targets of 'disturbing experiences'?

Why else are people critical, disdainful and apprehensive of Muslims?

Tell us, Bwian, what else singles them out?

They are singled out because they are willing to accommodate views and beliefs, Soren. I'd have thought it was bloody obvious, even to you as an Islamophobe that the Islamists feel threatened by the easy-going ways of the West with it's pluralist views on how people behave and believe. Islamists only accept one way - their way, rather as you only accept one way - your way, Soren. You'd make an excellent Islamist, you realise? Your narrow-mindedness and your hatred of anybody who dares to be different to how you believe they should act, dress, behave, worship, etc. You are the exact mirror image of what you claim you hate. Roll Eyes

Oh? So the article you linked to about muslims suffering was about Islamists?!?

No, the article was about the efforts of Islamophobes like you, Soren. Tsk, tsk, are you really this slow? Really? I suppose Islamophobia dulls the brains, doesn't it? Roll Eyes

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