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Reply #165 - Jun 29^th, 2019 at 5:52pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 12:19am:

freediver wrote on Jun 28^th, 2019 at 10:23pm:

When you said that an actor who starred in a movie mocking Muhammad would be fine in Indonesia or Malaysia, did you actually mean a short youtube clip?

Either FD.

Unlike you, I was not secretly restricting my criteria. When I answer a question about "movie" with no qualifications, thats what I'll talk about - movies in all forms.

You will, however, endlessly argue the definition of a 'movie' so as not to face the 'killing of critics of Islam', a far more important issue - and so to be avoided at all costs by Muslims like you.

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Reply #166 - Jul 4^th, 2019 at 3:24pm

freediver wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 8:07am:

And the cases of Salman Rushdie and Theo Van Gogh cannot penetrate this delusion?

I wasn't aware Rushdie moved in the movie making business. Remember what I was saying about goalpost shifting?

Is it true that Van Gogh is the only movie maker in the history of movie making that has ever been killed specifically for making a movie mocking Islam?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49156 At my desk.	Re: Islam vs freedom Reply #167 - Jul 4^th, 2019 at 5:30pm I wouldn't call the innocence of Muslims a movie. And it is not shifting the goal posts. We have to resort to authors and cartoonists for examples because there are no movies.
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Reply #168 - Jul 4^th, 2019 at 8:04pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 4^th, 2019 at 3:24pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 8:07am:

And the cases of Salman Rushdie and Theo Van Gogh cannot penetrate this delusion?

I wasn't aware Rushdie moved in the movie making business. Remember what I was saying about goalpost shifting?

Is it true that Van Gogh is the only movie maker in the history of movie making that has ever been killed specifically for making a movie mocking Islam?

Are you a traditionalist or a rationalist? I think you are constantly jumping in and out. Hilarious. You will seize a peripheral point of a post (what is a 'movie') and divert about it endlessly in order to avoid the central point of almost all posts about Islam and Muslims - you kill people who disagree with your ideas about Islam. You are ideological killers, have been from Mohammed on. HE deformed you and you are his manifestations in the world today.
Sons of Mohammed is correct.

Not a compliment.

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Reply #169 - Jul 4^th, 2019 at 8:47pm

freediver wrote on Jul 4^th, 2019 at 5:30pm:

We have to resort to authors and cartoonists for examples because there are no movies.

so the fact that 'no one was killed for making a movie' because 'no one actually made a movie', in your eyes becomes 'they would be killed for making a movie'?

you and reality don't get along real well, do you FD? Cheesy

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Reply #170 - Jul 4^th, 2019 at 9:28pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 4^th, 2019 at 8:47pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 4^th, 2019 at 5:30pm:

We have to resort to authors and cartoonists for examples because there are no movies.

so the fact that 'no one was killed for making a movie' because 'no one actually made a movie', in your eyes becomes 'they would be killed for making a movie'?

you and reality don't get along real well, do you FD? Cheesy

They don't make the movie because Muslims would kill them. They kill for far less.

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Reply #171 - Jul 4^th, 2019 at 10:46pm

You're forgetting, JS. FD posted that cartoon of Moh.

It was touch and go there for a sec, but once he finally stepped up, FD never felt more alive.

As he said, it was one of his finest moments. He's pretty much achieved everything on his bucket list now.

Take that, Muselman. FD lives to fight another day.

And remember, sometimes a question is just a question. Right, G?

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Reply #172 - Jul 4^th, 2019 at 10:57pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 4^th, 2019 at 8:47pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 4^th, 2019 at 5:30pm:

We have to resort to authors and cartoonists for examples because there are no movies.

so the fact that 'no one was killed for making a movie' because 'no one actually made a movie', in your eyes becomes 'they would be killed for making a movie'?

ISLAM teaches the follower of ISLAM, that murdering disbelievers, because they are disbelievers, is halal.

Every follower of ISLAM, is a believer.

And the follower of ISLAM believes, that when ISLAM teaches him [i.e. inculcates the idea, in his psyche,] that it is both virtuous and lawful to murder disbelievers,
that it is true.

idea = = a thought or suggestion as to a possible course of action. a mental impression. a belief.

WWW search....

Theo van Gogh, dutch film maker stabbed

"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

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WATCH THE MOSLEMS IN AUSTRALIA CALLING FOR THE DESTRUCTION, OF AUSTRALIA;

[there is a segment, when moslems in a hall are encouraging moslem children to be soldiers, and to fight and kill Australians, to destroy Australia, ! And replace Australia with an ISLAMIC state ruled by ISLAMIC law.
And then an 'Aussie' moslem [in Indonesia] shouts;

"...WE, will change the world to suit ISLAM. The moslems living in Australia are also engaging in this struggle."

Muslims brainwash children in Australia

3 min
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krk5piUzp1E

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WATCH A MOSQUE LEADER IN THE USA, URGING YOUNG MOSLEM MEN;

Quote:

"....be brave [...'and fight and kill the enemies of Allah']
....grab on to the gun, and the sword,
don't be afraid to step out into this world and do your job."

Watch it all the way through !

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Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick and the Imam

7 min
https://youtu.be/qUYIHRRaPmA

These Koran verses were cited in the YT above by the Boston mosque imam, to complain about police and security services in the Boston area 'persecuting' local moslems and a member of the local mosque, in order to incite local moslems to anger about local police investigations into local moslems....

"Let those fight in the cause of Allah Who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of Allah,- whether he is slain or gets victory - Soon shall We give him a reward of great (value).
And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and [for] those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?- Men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will protect; and raise for us from thee one who will help!"
Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan."
Koran 4.74-76

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THEY HATE US....

BECAUSE WE ARE NOT MOSLEMS,

THEY HATE US, BECAUSE WE WERE, OR ARE CHRISTIANS.

AND IN THEIR MOSQUES, WHILE THEY ARE LIVING IN THE WEST, WE CAN SEE, THAT THEY ARE TEACHING THEIR CHILDREN TO HATE US.

SO SHOULD WE BE SURPRISED WHEN THE FOLLOWERS OF ISLAM [WHO ARE LIVING AMONG US] KILL US, OR ARE DISCOVERED TO BE PLANNING TO KILL US ?

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Gordon wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2019 at 4:19pm:

This was the 16th alleged planned terror attack police have foiled since the terror threat level in Australia was elevated to probable in 2014.

"There are still people who wish to do the community harm.

Their actions are criminal and they represent hate and terror," Mr McCartney said.

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Every moslem is a moslem.

Every moslem is a follower of ISALM.

Australia.....

Refusing to confront those truths, will not make them untrue.

Choosing to deny those truths, ...won't make them untrue.

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Re: Islam vs freedom
Reply #173 - Jul 5^th, 2019 at 11:40am

freediver wrote on Jul 4^th, 2019 at 9:28pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 4^th, 2019 at 8:47pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 4^th, 2019 at 5:30pm:

We have to resort to authors and cartoonists for examples because there are no movies.

so the fact that 'no one was killed for making a movie' because 'no one actually made a movie', in your eyes becomes 'they would be killed for making a movie'?

you and reality don't get along real well, do you FD? Cheesy

They don't make the movie because Muslims would kill them. They kill for far less.

And they don't make judaism-mocking movies because...?

How do you reckon a 'The Eternal Jew"- like production in Hollywood would go down FD? You've never actually said.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #174 - Jul 5^th, 2019 at 11:43am

Karnal wrote on Jul 4^th, 2019 at 10:46pm:

You're forgetting, JS. FD posted that cartoon of Moh.

It was touch and go there for a sec, but once he finally stepped up, FD never felt more alive.

As he said, it was one of his finest moments. He's pretty much achieved everything on his bucket list now.

Take that, Muselman. FD lives to fight another day.

And remember, sometimes a question is just a question. Right, G?

He actually wanted to stand on the street wearing a burqa, but alas he had to forego that one, and settled instead for posting Muhammad cartoons.

But you know, its the thought that counts.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #175 - Jul 5^th, 2019 at 12:02pm

If Gandalf and Abu are trying to make a case that the western world has not had to tiptoe around anything critical of Islam due to fears to life and limb administered by outraged jihadists then I would say they both need to pull their heads out of their arses and take a good look at what’s going and stop being enablers for an intolerant, thin skinned and aggressive religion.

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Reply #176 - Jul 5^th, 2019 at 12:04pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 5^th, 2019 at 11:43am:

Karnal wrote on Jul 4^th, 2019 at 10:46pm:

You're forgetting, JS. FD posted that cartoon of Moh.

It was touch and go there for a sec, but once he finally stepped up, FD never felt more alive.

As he said, it was one of his finest moments. He's pretty much achieved everything on his bucket list now.

Take that, Muselman. FD lives to fight another day.

And remember, sometimes a question is just a question. Right, G?

He actually wanted to stand on the street wearing a burqa, but alas he had to forego that one, and settled instead for posting Muhammad cartoons.

But you know, its the thought that counts.

Actually it’s choppy choppy that counts, your bruvvas have demonstrated that. Roll Eyes

Still, so long as you are not a dead cartoonist for offending religious idiots it’s all fun and games and reducto ad absurdum.

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Reply #177 - Jul 5^th, 2019 at 12:12pm

Secret, are you actually saying that the west hasn't had to tiptoe around anything critical of judaism too? Far more so if you ask me.

You say that a lack of movies offensive to muslims is proof of the intimidatory power of the terrorists. I say that a similar lack of movies offensive to jews is proof that its the same aversion that applies to both - and has little to do with fear of physical violence, and everything to do with fear of non-jihadi progressive backlashes that would put any actors or producers involved out of business.

FD doesn't want to answer - but how do you explain the lack of any 'The Eternal Jew' like movie, or anything even remotely on the way towards that, in Hollywood?

FD's only answer is pointing to romantic comedies like 'Keeping the faith' where the hero is a loveable jew - and reckons thats a perfect equivalent to 'The Innocence of Muslims'.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #178 - Jul 5^th, 2019 at 12:19pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 5^th, 2019 at 12:12pm:

Secret, are you actually saying that the west hasn't had to tiptoe around anything critical of judaism too? Far more so if you ask me.

You say that a lack of movies offensive to muslims is proof of the intimidatory power of the terrorists. I say that a similar lack of movies offensive to jews is proof that its the same aversion that applies to both - and has little to do with fear of physical violence, and everything to do with fear of non-jihadi progressive backlashes that would put any actors or producers involved out of business.

FD doesn't want to answer - but how do you explain the lack of any 'The Eternal Jew' like movie, or anything even remotely on the way towards that, in Hollywood?

FD's only answer is pointing to romantic comedies like 'Keeping the faith' where the hero is a loveable jew - and reckons thats a perfect equivalent to 'The Innocence of Muslims'.

I didn’t say anything of the sort, I merely stated the obvious, that people are scared of publicly or identifiably being critical of Islam because Islamic front bottoms have proved they will kill you if you do.

If you don’t believe that to be true, speaks more to idiocy or duplicity, ladies choice.

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Reply #179 - Jul 5^th, 2019 at 12:26pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 5^th, 2019 at 11:43am:

Karnal wrote on Jul 4^th, 2019 at 10:46pm:

You're forgetting, JS. FD posted that cartoon of Moh.

It was touch and go there for a sec, but once he finally stepped up, FD never felt more alive.

As he said, it was one of his finest moments. He's pretty much achieved everything on his bucket list now.

Take that, Muselman. FD lives to fight another day.

And remember, sometimes a question is just a question. Right, G?

He actually wanted to stand on the street wearing a burqa, but alas he had to forego that one, and settled instead for posting Muhammad cartoons.

But you know, its the thought that counts.

That's true. FD also wants to climb Ayers Rock, but says he can't be bothered spending 2 days driving through all that boring scenery.

But as he said, what's the point of having the thing if you can't climb it? So racist and unfair.

Anyway, it's a good thing he changed his mind about the burqa. FD might have run into the old boy, who wants to snatch off their letterboxes and give them a piece of his mind.

He hasn't done that yet either, but at least his heart's in the right place, no?

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