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Re: FGM 53,000 Australians have had procedure
Reply #75 - Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:34pm

mothra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:33pm:

NiGordon wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:31pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:26pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:24pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:21pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:19pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:15pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:14pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:11pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:08pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:02pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 2:58pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 2:56pm:

One of my step-kids (when she was younger and stupid) had her tongue pierced. I wonder if she also had her clit and nipples done?

Do you wonder that about your step-daughter?

What the actual bugger?

The question stands. Why would anyone wonder about a step-daughter's clit and nipples?

Because of what Gandalf posted. FMG may not be what Gordon concludes it to be.

I've offered not a single conclusion on this thread and I've done nothing more than post links to recent articles and reports.

I WONDER why you suggest I did?

What is the procedure?

One more time, read for yourself. Gandalf what's type 4 to be excluded from this report. You?

https://www.aihw.gov.au/getmedia/f210a1d8-5a3a-4336-80c5-ca6bdc2906d5/aihw-phe23...

No, i want to know which procedure YOU are referring to.The one 58,000 women not born here but living here have undergone,

Please explain.

Once again, I've drawn not a single conclusion or editorialised on anything in the article. I've only posted links to recent articles/reports.

Next question?

Nope. You've put your name to a thread title. i assume to invite discussion?

What procedure have 53,000 women, not born here, had who live in Australia?

I won't play the appeasement game like you or Galdalf. It should all come under the the banner of FGM/C as shown in this government report.

Why are you a FGM/C appeaser?

https://www.aihw.gov.au/getmedia/f210a1d8-5a3a-4336-80c5-ca6bdc2906d5/aihw-phe23...

Typical Gordy attempt at deflection.

Why do you not want to represent these girls and women?

What sort of procedure have 53,000 girls and women not born in this country had?

They've had FGM/C.

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Re: FGM 53,000 Australians have had procedure
Reply #76 - Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:44pm

cods wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 2:32pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 12:53pm:

What procedure, Gordy?

Who are you speaking for?

gandalf has acknowledge two procedures..

one we all know about.. [horrific]..but the second??????? Angry

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As I suspected - they are lumping in the least intrusive procedure, whats known as "symbolic nicking", in which little or no actual flesh is removed, with full-blown butchering off the entire clitoris and/or inner labia.

The latter is completely barbaric, while the first is basically harmless.

sorry to pick on the words you use gandy but we all get picked on for words now and then..

I think any normal thinking person agrees with you regarding female mutilation...

however I am scratching my head on your remarks regarding the first symbolic nicking.. procedure..

what the hell is symbolic about feeling inside a females genitalia???......and just taking a NICK. Angry

would you mind if someone was commissioned to put a symbolic instrument up your penis and take a symbolic NICK?.. Roll Eyes

this is more than child abuse....its filthy and barbaric,...

someone is traumatised for life

for what bloody benefit no one will ever know...

and you call it BASICALLY HARMLESS...

anyone doing anything with anyones private parts without their permission is a child abuser....

there are no excuses absolutely NONE..

its shocked me to be honest that gandy actually goes along with a medievil procedure...of no value whatever...

it is all FGM.. get your hands off these babies.

Calling it symbolic nicking is really just trying to sugar coat FGM.

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A "ritual nick" too far

In October 1992 a program went to air on ABC TV called Where Angels Fear to Tread on female genital mutilation. I was involved through a program the ABC offered to aspiring writers called Writer-in-Observation.

The storyline was of a young schoolgirl of Muslim background who was brought to the surgery by her mother to have a procedure performed that involved female genital mutilation. This placed the doctors in a dilemma. It was a procedure that although not banned at the time was strongly advised against by the Australian Medical Association, leaving individual doctors to make their own ethical decisions.

The arguments made were that if Australian doctors did not perform this procedure, it would, much like the abortion debate, lead to back-alley bungling or the girl being taken overseas to have the procedure.

In 1994, two years after the screening of this episode, the AMA banned all forms of female genital mutilation Australia-wide. But, now here in Australia, it has been suggested that a "ritual nick" could be performed to appease cultural sensibilities in some Muslim communities. http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-news-national/doctors-dont-support-ritual-nicking-20100528-wi3t.html

Doctors in London 30 years ago were forced to perform hysterectomies to save the lives of Middle Eastern women who had given birth after enduring female genital mutilation.

In Muslim countries where these customs are still being observed, there are woman taking great risks, sometimes life threatening, to protect their young girls from these practices. They themselves want it to cease once and for all. If we in Australia legitimise these practices, however ritualistically, it will totally negate their work, their beliefs and their futures. Now is not the time to succumb to this tradition.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/a-ritual-nick-too-far-20100625-z8x2.html

The lefties have a lot in common with the Ayatollahs in defending Islam. Roll Eyes

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Re: FGM 53,000 Australians have had procedure
Reply #77 - Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:49pm

Gordon wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:34pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:33pm:

NiGordon wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:31pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:26pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:24pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:21pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:19pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:15pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:14pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:11pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:08pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:02pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 2:58pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 2:56pm:

One of my step-kids (when she was younger and stupid) had her tongue pierced. I wonder if she also had her clit and nipples done?

Do you wonder that about your step-daughter?

What the actual bugger?

The question stands. Why would anyone wonder about a step-daughter's clit and nipples?

Because of what Gandalf posted. FMG may not be what Gordon concludes it to be.

I've offered not a single conclusion on this thread and I've done nothing more than post links to recent articles and reports.

I WONDER why you suggest I did?

What is the procedure?

One more time, read for yourself. Gandalf what's type 4 to be excluded from this report. You?

https://www.aihw.gov.au/getmedia/f210a1d8-5a3a-4336-80c5-ca6bdc2906d5/aihw-phe23...

No, i want to know which procedure YOU are referring to.The one 58,000 women not born here but living here have undergone,

Please explain.

Once again, I've drawn not a single conclusion or editorialised on anything in the article. I've only posted links to recent articles/reports.

Next question?

Nope. You've put your name to a thread title. i assume to invite discussion?

What procedure have 53,000 women, not born here, had who live in Australia?

I won't play the appeasement game like you or Galdalf. It should all come under the the banner of FGM/C as shown in this government report.

Why are you a FGM/C appeaser?

https://www.aihw.gov.au/getmedia/f210a1d8-5a3a-4336-80c5-ca6bdc2906d5/aihw-phe23...

Typical Gordy attempt at deflection.

Why do you not want to represent these girls and women?

What sort of procedure have 53,000 girls and women not born in this country had?

They've had FGM/C.

Which is a range of procedures, many not involving mutilation, yes?

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Re: FGM 53,000 Australians have had procedure
Reply #78 - Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:53pm

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A "ritual nick" too far

In October 1992 a program went to air on ABC TV called Where Angels Fear to Tread on female genital mutilation. I was involved through a program the ABC offered to aspiring writers called Writer-in-Observation.

The storyline was of a young schoolgirl of Muslim background who was brought to the surgery by her mother to have a procedure performed that involved female genital mutilation. This placed the doctors in a dilemma. It was a procedure that although not banned at the time was strongly advised against by the Australian Medical Association, leaving individual doctors to make their own ethical decisions.

The arguments made were that if Australian doctors did not perform this procedure, it would, much like the abortion debate, lead to back-alley bungling or the girl being taken overseas to have the procedure.

In 1994, two years after the screening of this episode, the AMA banned all forms of female genital mutilation Australia-wide. But, now here in Australia, it has been suggested that a "ritual nick" could be performed to appease cultural sensibilities in some Muslim communities. http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-news-national/doctors-dont-support-ritual-nicking-20100528-wi3t.html

Doctors in London 30 years ago were forced to perform hysterectomies to save the lives of Middle Eastern women who had given birth after enduring female genital mutilation.

In Muslim countries where these customs are still being observed, there are woman taking great risks, sometimes life threatening, to protect their young girls from these practices. They themselves want it to cease once and for all. If we in Australia legitimise these practices, however ritualistically, it will totally negate their work, their beliefs and their futures. Now is not the time to succumb to this tradition.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/a-ritual-nick-too-far-20100625-z8x2.html

thank you, Baronvort

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Re: FGM 53,000 Australians have had procedure
Reply #79 - Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:58pm

Anyone who wasn't asleep learned to their distress about this vile tradition years ago

it results in

infections locally and in urinary tract

severe pain, difficulty and sometimes death in childbirth

obviously causes agony while performed, often via use of rusty/filthy razor blades

desexualisation of the victim lifelong

Thousands of clinical papers online in addition to further thousands of media articles for those with an interest in learning more

and the reason for mutilation of girls' primary sexual organs is ....? What's the justification from the practitioners ? What, if any, are the alleged benefits?

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Re: FGM 53,000 Australians have had procedure
Reply #80 - Jun 17^th, 2019 at 4:07pm

mothra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:30pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:28pm:

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Once again, I've drawn not a single conclusion or editorialised on anything in the article. I've only posted links to recent articles/reports.

Next question?

Sure Gordon.......every Thread you start never ever has an implication of denigration of either Muslims or Indians. Who do you think you are kidding?

I think he fooled Rhino. I don't think that's overly hard though.

Why? because I didn't see something that's not there? You mentioned Muslims, not Gordon. I call it how I see it. Your almost hysterical defense of FGM is damning of you.

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Re: FGM 53,000 Australians have had procedure
Reply #82 - Jun 17^th, 2019 at 4:14pm

mothra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:49pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:34pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:33pm:

NiGordon wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:31pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:26pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:24pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:21pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:19pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:15pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:14pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:11pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:08pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:02pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 2:58pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 2:56pm:

One of my step-kids (when she was younger and stupid) had her tongue pierced. I wonder if she also had her clit and nipples done?

Do you wonder that about your step-daughter?

What the actual bugger?

The question stands. Why would anyone wonder about a step-daughter's clit and nipples?

Because of what Gandalf posted. FMG may not be what Gordon concludes it to be.

I've offered not a single conclusion on this thread and I've done nothing more than post links to recent articles and reports.

I WONDER why you suggest I did?

What is the procedure?

One more time, read for yourself. Gandalf what's type 4 to be excluded from this report. You?

https://www.aihw.gov.au/getmedia/f210a1d8-5a3a-4336-80c5-ca6bdc2906d5/aihw-phe23...

No, i want to know which procedure YOU are referring to.The one 58,000 women not born here but living here have undergone,

Please explain.

Once again, I've drawn not a single conclusion or editorialised on anything in the article. I've only posted links to recent articles/reports.

Next question?

Nope. You've put your name to a thread title. i assume to invite discussion?

What procedure have 53,000 women, not born here, had who live in Australia?

I won't play the appeasement game like you or Galdalf. It should all come under the the banner of FGM/C as shown in this government report.

Why are you a FGM/C appeaser?

https://www.aihw.gov.au/getmedia/f210a1d8-5a3a-4336-80c5-ca6bdc2906d5/aihw-phe23...

Typical Gordy attempt at deflection.

Why do you not want to represent these girls and women?

What sort of procedure have 53,000 girls and women not born in this country had?

They've had FGM/C.

Which is a range of procedures, many not involving mutilation, yes?

I like you agree that any non medical procedure in wrong but it seems now you're appeasing. I won't be.

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Re: FGM 53,000 Australians have had procedure
Reply #83 - Jun 17^th, 2019 at 4:15pm

mothra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 2:43pm:

rhino wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 2:38pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 2:18pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 2:13pm:

FGM is illegal in Australia, except for times when there is medical indication. Those 53000 people probably had it done else where. It is something that feminists around the world tried to stop. And its not only about FGM, FGM is just a reflection on the inferior rights of women in those society. And unless we address that, things like FGM or forced marriages will not stop.

I am not sure what Gordon is implying. Is that the medicare system is complicit in carry this procedure out on tax payer's expense or something?

Gordon is just hate-mongering, Tickle. He wants this to turn into a Muslim bash, ignoring that it's not only Muslims who practice FGC, not all Muslims practice FGC.

It won;t matter to those who respond to his dog whistle though, any more than it matters to Gordy.

yet Muslims or Islam was not mentioned until you did.

I'm a soothsayer.

Drama queen actually.

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Re: FGM 53,000 Australians have had procedure
Reply #84 - Jun 17^th, 2019 at 4:16pm

rhino wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 4:07pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:30pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 3:28pm:

Quote:

Once again, I've drawn not a single conclusion or editorialised on anything in the article. I've only posted links to recent articles/reports.

Next question?

Sure Gordon.......every Thread you start never ever has an implication of denigration of either Muslims or Indians. Who do you think you are kidding?

I think he fooled Rhino. I don't think that's overly hard though.

Why? because I didn't see something that's not there? You mentioned Muslims, not Gordon. I call it how I see it. Your almost hysterical defense of FGM is damning of you.

Pretty much. In reply 4 she called BS on the entire thing until I posted a Govt report. Mothra and Gandalf are both pro-fgm it seems.

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Re: FGM 53,000 Australians have had procedure
Reply #85 - Jun 17^th, 2019 at 4:17pm

rhino wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 4:15pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 2:43pm:

rhino wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 2:38pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 2:18pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 2:13pm:

FGM is illegal in Australia, except for times when there is medical indication. Those 53000 people probably had it done else where. It is something that feminists around the world tried to stop. And its not only about FGM, FGM is just a reflection on the inferior rights of women in those society. And unless we address that, things like FGM or forced marriages will not stop.

I am not sure what Gordon is implying. Is that the medicare system is complicit in carry this procedure out on tax payer's expense or something?

Gordon is just hate-mongering, Tickle. He wants this to turn into a Muslim bash, ignoring that it's not only Muslims who practice FGC, not all Muslims practice FGC.

It won;t matter to those who respond to his dog whistle though, any more than it matters to Gordy.

yet Muslims or Islam was not mentioned until you did.

I'm a soothsayer.

Drama queen actually.

Wanna bet?

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75238 Gender:	Re: FGM 53,000 Australians have had procedure Reply #86 - Jun 17^th, 2019 at 4:24pm Gordon wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 4:16pm: Mothra and Gandalf are both pro-fgm it seems. and yet both have said they're opposed to any form of FGM not the brightest spark are you
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Re: FGM 53,000 Australians have had procedure
Reply #87 - Jun 17^th, 2019 at 4:26pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 4:24pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 4:16pm:

Mothra and Gandalf are both pro-fgm it seems.

and yet both have said they're opposed to any form of FGM

not the brightest spark are you Cheesy

Vehemently and categorically.

Gordy is having a little tanty. Things haven't worked out so well for him today.

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Re: FGM 53,000 Australians have had procedure
Reply #88 - Jun 17^th, 2019 at 4:26pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 4:24pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 4:16pm:

Mothra and Gandalf are both pro-fgm it seems.

and yet both have said they're opposed to any form of FGM

not the brightest spark are you Cheesy

Nope. Galdalf is an apologist for category 4 and Mothra is trying to get me to distinguish between the different types when I've said I abhor them all.

No go back to the children's table, Dapto.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75238 Gender:	Re: FGM 53,000 Australians have had procedure Reply #89 - Jun 17^th, 2019 at 4:28pm Gordon wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 4:26pm: Nope you sure about that dopey? I can pull up the quotes if you like but I suspect you're just pretending you don't know what they actually said.
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