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Reply #420 - Jun 26th, 2019 at 5:32pm
 
Gordon wrote on Jun 26th, 2019 at 4:45pm:
Raven wrote on Jun 26th, 2019 at 4:22pm:
Gordon wrote on Jun 26th, 2019 at 4:07pm:
Raven wrote on Jun 26th, 2019 at 3:51pm:
Gordon wrote on Jun 26th, 2019 at 3:44pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 26th, 2019 at 3:36pm:
i see the idiots are still pretending it's about freedom of speech and hate speech Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Is Peter Singer an idiot?

I assume that is what Folau believes he is doing. He even tells homosexuals that Jesus loves them, and calls on them to repent so that they can avoid burning in hell for eternity. That doesn’t sound like hate speech.
https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/rugby-australia-israel-folau-firing...


Doesn't sound like love either.

Religion and God are a lot like an abusive spouse.

Plays tricks to "test" the relationship.
Claims they hurt you because they love you.
Demands you do as they say without question.
If you behave or think in a way in which they disapprove, they threaten you with harm.
Isolate you from anyone who disagrees.
Tells you this is what true love is.
Blames you for their shortcomings.

How can anybody think that using threats to get people to do what you want is love?


I'm an atheist and I don't agree with his screwy point of view, but after research I understand it.


Also Folau's words.

Those that are living in Sin will end up in Hell unless you repent. Jesus Christ loves you and is giving you time to turn away from your sin and come to him.”



That is not love "I love you but if you don't love me back and do what I want I will I will make sure you suffer forever."

You'd raise an eyebrow if your sister's partner said that to her.

It's a lot like the volunteer firefighter who comits arson just so he can be the hero. God is here to save us from the sin he gave us in the first place.


Your misunderstanding this, which is easy to do from the point of view of an atheist, which I assume you are. To you or I it's twisted logic but it's not hate.

He believes to the very core of his being with 110% certainty that hell awaits the people on his list and the only way for them to avoid eternal damnation is for them to change.

It's a bit like someone having a relative heavily addicted to ice or being anorexic. The outcome is very clear if they don't change.




HELL is that so gordy?........looks like an awful lot of us will go to HELL.....so God has no mercy its all about revenge... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


I do believe in....... something more powerful than us..so I call him GOD....

when I feel I need something to happen need  a bit of help.... say for the sake of one of my family...  yeah I do ask GOD in my way..


is that bad   I dont know?..

and as an atheist   do you not ever seek any intervention ever at all?.....
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Reply #421 - Jun 26th, 2019 at 7:05pm
 
I wonder if Israel will donate any of his Go Fund Me money to the family who lost 3 of their beautiful children today in a fire in Singleton.....

we seem to have strange ideas of priority these days...

Israel raised almost half a million in two hours this family $14.000....... Cry Cry

I know where my money is going.

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Reply #422 - Jun 26th, 2019 at 7:31pm
 
cods wrote on Jun 26th, 2019 at 7:05pm:
I wonder if Israel will donate any of his Go Fund Me money to the family who lost 3 of their beautiful children today in a fire in Singleton.....

we seem to have strange ideas of priority these days...

Israel raised almost half a million in two hours this family $14.000....... Cry Cry

I know where my money is going.




In Folau's case.....not a chance in Hell.  I wonder if the ACL will start a 'gofundme' for that Family and start it off with $100,000.00?  Not a chance in Hell.

Priorities are fuqqed.
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Reply #423 - Jun 26th, 2019 at 7:44pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jun 26th, 2019 at 5:32pm:
cods wrote on Jun 26th, 2019 at 5:25pm:
Gordon wrote on Jun 26th, 2019 at 3:48pm:
Raven wrote on Jun 26th, 2019 at 3:45pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 26th, 2019 at 1:46pm:
Gordon wrote on Jun 26th, 2019 at 1:34pm:
What about Peter Singer?

I assume that is what Folau believes he is doing. He even tells homosexuals that Jesus loves them, and calls on them to repent so that they can avoid burning in hell for eternity. That doesn’t sound like hate speech..


yes.
It is not hate speech.
It is Love Speech


Using threats to get people to do what you want is not love.


According to what he believes it's not a threat, it's a warning of an outcome which can't be avoided unless they change their lifestyle.




he didnt mention the GREEDY did he?..

I wonder what hell awaits the GREEDY..

seems to me gordy he was very selective in his.....well selection... thats all...


he who is without SIN may cast the first stone...

me thinks Folau  hasnt got to that section yet.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Here ya go cods.  Something about Seven Deadly Sins.

Link.


Do you wonder about clit piercings Aussie?
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Re: Go Fund me ~ Folau
Reply #424 - Jun 26th, 2019 at 7:49pm
 
cods wrote on Jun 26th, 2019 at 5:32pm:
Gordon wrote on Jun 26th, 2019 at 4:45pm:
Raven wrote on Jun 26th, 2019 at 4:22pm:
Gordon wrote on Jun 26th, 2019 at 4:07pm:
Raven wrote on Jun 26th, 2019 at 3:51pm:
Gordon wrote on Jun 26th, 2019 at 3:44pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 26th, 2019 at 3:36pm:
i see the idiots are still pretending it's about freedom of speech and hate speech Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Is Peter Singer an idiot?

I assume that is what Folau believes he is doing. He even tells homosexuals that Jesus loves them, and calls on them to repent so that they can avoid burning in hell for eternity. That doesn’t sound like hate speech.
https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/rugby-australia-israel-folau-firing...


Doesn't sound like love either.

Religion and God are a lot like an abusive spouse.

Plays tricks to "test" the relationship.
Claims they hurt you because they love you.
Demands you do as they say without question.
If you behave or think in a way in which they disapprove, they threaten you with harm.
Isolate you from anyone who disagrees.
Tells you this is what true love is.
Blames you for their shortcomings.

How can anybody think that using threats to get people to do what you want is love?


I'm an atheist and I don't agree with his screwy point of view, but after research I understand it.


Also Folau's words.

Those that are living in Sin will end up in Hell unless you repent. Jesus Christ loves you and is giving you time to turn away from your sin and come to him.”



That is not love "I love you but if you don't love me back and do what I want I will I will make sure you suffer forever."

You'd raise an eyebrow if your sister's partner said that to her.

It's a lot like the volunteer firefighter who comits arson just so he can be the hero. God is here to save us from the sin he gave us in the first place.


Your misunderstanding this, which is easy to do from the point of view of an atheist, which I assume you are. To you or I it's twisted logic but it's not hate.

He believes to the very core of his being with 110% certainty that hell awaits the people on his list and the only way for them to avoid eternal damnation is for them to change.

It's a bit like someone having a relative heavily addicted to ice or being anorexic. The outcome is very clear if they don't change.




HELL is that so gordy?........looks like an awful lot of us will go to HELL.....so God has no mercy its all about revenge... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


I do believe in....... something more powerful than us..so I call him GOD....

when I feel I need something to happen need  a bit of help.... say for the sake of one of my family...  yeah I do ask GOD in my way..


is that bad   I dont know?..

and as an atheist   do you not ever seek any intervention ever at all?.....


Can you tidy that up a bit, I really don't understand Smiley
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Reply #425 - Jun 26th, 2019 at 8:21pm
 
cods wrote on Jun 26th, 2019 at 7:05pm:
I wonder if Israel will donate any of his Go Fund Me money to the family who lost 3 of their beautiful children today in a fire in Singleton.....

we seem to have strange ideas of priority these days...

Israel raised almost half a million in two hours this family $14.000....... Cry Cry

I know where my money is going.



He won't donate a cent to anyone.

He's a very greedy, very immoral, little man.

By the way, another good post from cods.

That's about 10 today.

Who are you, and what have you done with our cods?
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Reply #426 - Jun 26th, 2019 at 8:22pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 26th, 2019 at 8:21pm:
Who are you, and what have you done with our cods?



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Reply #427 - Jun 26th, 2019 at 9:08pm
 
“The Australian Charities and Not-for-profits Commission has been asked to investigate the Australian Christian Lobby over its role in helping Israel Folau raise more than a million dollars for his legal fight against Rugby Australia (RA).

Folau raked in more than $1.5 million in donations on Tuesday through a relaunched ACL fundraising platform, despite having a GoFundMe page banned on Monday due to a breach of the website’s terms and conditions.

It was also revealed on Tuesday that Australia’s largest crowdfunding platform, MyCause, also knocked back an initial request from Folau’s camp to relaunch his fighting fund…

… In a statement, the commission said it "expected all registered charities to meet their obligations under the ACNC Act and the Governance Standards".

“The ACNC can investigate concerns that a charity has breached the ACNC Act or the Governance Standards," the statement said. "This may include not pursuing its charitable purpose, not operating in a not-for-profit manner, or providing private benefits to members."

According to the ACNC, a charity must be able to show that the use of its funds furthers the charitable purpose in which it is registered, meaning the ACL would need to prove it is “advancing religion”, for example, by agreeing to help raise money for Folau’s individual purposes…

… Meanwhile, Folau may be able to claim some of the legal expenses used to fight his wrongful dismissal action as a tax deduction, while keeping the donations.

Industry body Tax and Super Australia's tax counsel John Jeffreys said legal expenses were not generally tax deductible in unfair dismissal cases because the person was no longer earning income and therefore the costs were treated as being of a capital nature.

“However, there are situations in which legal expenses can be tax deductible,” Mr Jeffreys said.

“If you get an amount that’s in compensation for lost wages then that itself is income and therefore it makes the expenses tax deductible.”

Folau is suing for $5 million in lost salary in addition to the loss of commercial opportunities such as future contracts and sponsorship deals, as well as the cost of missing out on the Rugby World Cup and the chance to become the greatest Wallaby try-scorer.

Mr Jeffreys said in such cases compensation would usually be awarded in a lump sum and the tax office would then treat the cost of his legal action as a capital expense, which would not be tax-deductible.

But if he was claiming that he had been wronged in the termination of his employment, any compensation he received would not be subject to capital gains tax."

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Reply #428 - Jun 26th, 2019 at 9:28pm
 
I have not digested all of that Raven.  But it did occur to me that this ACL fund goes outside a 'charitable' purpose and there may be some illegality.  But, I am no expert on that.
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Reply #429 - Jun 26th, 2019 at 11:01pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 26th, 2019 at 8:21pm:
cods wrote on Jun 26th, 2019 at 7:05pm:
I wonder if Israel will donate any of his Go Fund Me money to the family who lost 3 of their beautiful children today in a fire in Singleton.....

we seem to have strange ideas of priority these days...

Israel raised almost half a million in two hours this family $14.000....... Cry Cry

I know where my money is going.



He won't donate a cent to anyone.

He's a very greedy, very immoral, little man.

By the way, another good post from cods.

That's about 10 today.

Who are you, and what have you done with our cods?



its the same old me...you happen to agree with me which tells me you for once are reading my posts as I write them and not what you think I am writing.... Wink Wink...

aussie says i write crap....

and gordy says he doesnt understand  when I tell him i believe in a stronger power  "who or what"  I dont really know.. but I call him God....

I asked gordy what an atheist does when he is in need of help from a divine place...dont tell me you have never had your back up against the wall with your heart in your mouth gordy ?

I have never met an atheist   your the first..
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Reply #430 - Jun 27th, 2019 at 11:08am
 
Israel on his home page stated some not so controversial aspects of his religion, well not controversial if you accept that they are well established tenets of his religion and he can point to scripture with impunity to justify himself.

People forget it was not only gays that were included but the gays are organised to take offence and from the left he never had a chance.  Being tinted carried some privilege points but unfortunately he also has the whiff of bogan, and more unforgivably a rich bogan, worse yet, rich from rugby, and to condemn completely he is a proudly Christian. A perfect storm for the left.

I notice some of the forum luvvies are now holding sacrosanct contract law, these geniuses of course would not be so dogmatic if they could actually muster a thoughtful position instead of a partisan one, especially those union hacks.

Sally McManus stated a more considered opinion, as does Justice Kirby though I disagree with his personally integrity of breaking laws whilst tasked with enforcing them.  Laws can obviously be tested and should be tested.

Me I would like to this tested, there has to be some restraint on how much an employer can control an employees personal life and social accounts, I am not suprised forum bedwetters for the unions oppose this in view of Israel’s lack of privilege points.

If it is hateful speech that can be tested as well and it’s relationship to religion, is behead all those that insult the prophet allowed a religious exemption.
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Reply #432 - Jun 27th, 2019 at 11:59am
 
The Govt. has a choice  - 

either ban religion or allow
people to quote from religious text.
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Reply #433 - Jun 27th, 2019 at 12:02pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jun 27th, 2019 at 11:59am:
The Govt. has a choice  - 

either ban religion or allow
people to quote from religious text.


What the hell are you on about?

The government isn't stopping anyone from quoting religious text, Bobby.

In fact, nobody is stopping people from quoting religious text.
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Reply #434 - Jun 27th, 2019 at 12:21pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27th, 2019 at 12:02pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jun 27th, 2019 at 11:59am:
The Govt. has a choice  - 

either ban religion or allow
people to quote from religious text.


What the hell are you on about?

The government isn't stopping anyone from quoting religious text, Bobby.

In fact, nobody is stopping people from quoting religious text.



Yet you can lose your job for quoting the Bible.
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