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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49481 At my desk.	Re: New donation page Folau Reply #60 - Jun 27^th, 2019 at 11:45am Aussie wrote on Jun 27^th, 2019 at 9:22am: freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2019 at 9:17am: So it is your opinion I am misrepresenting, not the facts? Nope. You are misrepresenting - gilding the Lilly so to speak - in the highlighted bits. What are the real facts Aussie?
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Captain Nemo Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 10882 Melbourne Gender:	Re: New donation page Folau Reply #61 - Jun 27^th, 2019 at 11:52am
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Re: New donation page Folau
Reply #62 - Jun 27^th, 2019 at 12:03pm

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2019 at 11:45am:

Aussie wrote on Jun 27^th, 2019 at 9:22am:

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2019 at 9:17am:

So it is your opinion I am misrepresenting, not the facts?

Nope. You are misrepresenting - gilding the Lilly so to speak - in the highlighted bits.

What are the real facts Aussie?

1. Folau made some remarks AR found were outside its Code of Conduct.

2. They counselled Folau to not do so while taking their money.

3. Folau made further comments AR found were outside its Code of Conduct.

4. They asked Folau to show cause.

5. He was granted all his rights under natural justice/procedural fairness.

6. He had a fair hearing.

7. AR tore up his Contract.

8. Folua is a multi-millionaire.

9. He went to GoFundMe seeking $M3 in support to feed Lawyers.

10. GoFundMe found his doing so was outside its Terms and Conditions.

11. ACL mounted a campaign for funds so Folau could feed Lawyers, now capped at $M2 and it is being successful.

The rest is speculative and is gilding the lilly.

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Captain Nemo Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 10882 Melbourne Gender:	Re: New donation page Folau Reply #63 - Jun 27^th, 2019 at 12:15pm
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49481 At my desk.	Re: New donation page Folau Reply #64 - Jun 27^th, 2019 at 12:15pm I have not misrepresented any of the facts. Not being a spineless apologist for this attack on freedom of speech is not the same as misrepresenting the facts. Nemo, is your earlier cartoon trying to imply that Folau is stepping on freedom of expression?
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Re: New donation page Folau
Reply #65 - Jun 27^th, 2019 at 12:20pm

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2019 at 12:15pm:

I have not misrepresented any of the facts. Not being a spineless apologist for this attack on freedom of speech is not the same as misrepresenting the facts.

Nemo, is your earlier cartoon trying to imply that Folau is stepping on freedom of expression?

Using the "freedom of expression" notion to present views that hurt other groups, yes.

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Re: New donation page Folau
Reply #66 - Jun 27^th, 2019 at 12:25pm

Aussie wrote on Jun 27^th, 2019 at 12:03pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2019 at 11:45am:

Aussie wrote on Jun 27^th, 2019 at 9:22am:

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2019 at 9:17am:

So it is your opinion I am misrepresenting, not the facts?

Nope. You are misrepresenting - gilding the Lilly so to speak - in the highlighted bits.

What are the real facts Aussie?

1. Folau made some remarks AR found were outside its Code of Conduct.

2. They counselled Folau to not do so while taking their money.

3. Folau made further comments AR found were outside its Code of Conduct.

4. They asked Folau to show cause.

5. He was granted all his rights under natural justice/procedural fairness.

6. He had a fair hearing.

7. AR tore up his Contract.

8. Folua is a multi-millionaire.

9. He went to GoFundMe seeking $M3 in support to feed Lawyers.

10. GoFundMe found his doing so was outside its Terms and Conditions.

11. ACL mounted a campaign for funds so Folau could feed Lawyers, now capped at $M2 and it is being successful.

The rest is speculative and is gilding the lilly.

But was his contract legal?

There are many types of illegal contracts.

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Captain Nemo Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 10882 Melbourne Gender:	Re: New donation page Folau Reply #67 - Jun 27^th, 2019 at 12:26pm
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Re: New donation page Folau
Reply #68 - Jun 27^th, 2019 at 12:29pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 27^th, 2019 at 12:25pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 27^th, 2019 at 12:03pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2019 at 11:45am:

Aussie wrote on Jun 27^th, 2019 at 9:22am:

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2019 at 9:17am:

So it is your opinion I am misrepresenting, not the facts?

Nope. You are misrepresenting - gilding the Lilly so to speak - in the highlighted bits.

What are the real facts Aussie?

1. Folau made some remarks AR found were outside its Code of Conduct.

2. They counselled Folau to not do so while taking their money.

3. Folau made further comments AR found were outside its Code of Conduct.

4. They asked Folau to show cause.

5. He was granted all his rights under natural justice/procedural fairness.

6. He had a fair hearing.

7. AR tore up his Contract.

8. Folua is a multi-millionaire.

9. He went to GoFundMe seeking $M3 in support to feed Lawyers.

10. GoFundMe found his doing so was outside its Terms and Conditions.

11. ACL mounted a campaign for funds so Folau could feed Lawyers, now capped at $M2 and it is being successful.

The rest is speculative and is gilding the lilly.

But was his contract legal?

There are many types of illegal contracts.

The Code of Conduct is legal, and he breached it.

That's why he was sacked.

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Re: New donation page Folau
Reply #69 - Jun 27^th, 2019 at 12:36pm

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2019 at 12:15pm:

I have not misrepresented any of the facts. Not being a spineless apologist for this attack on freedom of speech is not the same as misrepresenting the facts.

Nemo, is your earlier cartoon trying to imply that Folau is stepping on freedom of expression?

Being an agent provocateur in falsely suggesting this is an attack on freedom of speech is the same as misrepresenting the facts.

OzPol is a good comparative. Just like you have Rules about what Members may say here and you are able to enforce them, the AR has its Rules about what its Members may say and it is able to enforce them.

You say that if 'I' don't like your Rules, no-one is forcing 'me' to stay here ~ if Folau does not like the AR Rules, no-one is forcing him to abide by them. He walks and does what he likes.

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Re: New donation page Folau
Reply #70 - Jun 27^th, 2019 at 12:37pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27^th, 2019 at 12:29pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 27^th, 2019 at 12:25pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 27^th, 2019 at 12:03pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2019 at 11:45am:

Aussie wrote on Jun 27^th, 2019 at 9:22am:

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2019 at 9:17am:

So it is your opinion I am misrepresenting, not the facts?

Nope. You are misrepresenting - gilding the Lilly so to speak - in the highlighted bits.

What are the real facts Aussie?

1. Folau made some remarks AR found were outside its Code of Conduct.

2. They counselled Folau to not do so while taking their money.

3. Folau made further comments AR found were outside its Code of Conduct.

4. They asked Folau to show cause.

5. He was granted all his rights under natural justice/procedural fairness.

6. He had a fair hearing.

7. AR tore up his Contract.

8. Folua is a multi-millionaire.

9. He went to GoFundMe seeking $M3 in support to feed Lawyers.

10. GoFundMe found his doing so was outside its Terms and Conditions.

11. ACL mounted a campaign for funds so Folau could feed Lawyers, now capped at $M2 and it is being successful.

The rest is speculative and is gilding the lilly.

But was his contract legal?

There are many types of illegal contracts.

The Code of Conduct is legal, and he breached it.

That's why he was sacked.

Is it legal to take a pound of flesh
as penalty for non payment of a debt?

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Captain Nemo Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 10882 Melbourne Gender:	Re: New donation page Folau Reply #71 - Jun 27^th, 2019 at 12:38pm
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38865 Gender:	Re: New donation page Folau Reply #72 - Jun 27^th, 2019 at 12:44pm Captain Nemo wrote on Jun 27^th, 2019 at 12:38pm: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-CKBq0XoAA0tXI.jpg Better text would have been: "I don't agree with what you do and I'll defend to your death my right to stop you doing it."
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Re: New donation page Folau
Reply #73 - Jun 27^th, 2019 at 12:44pm

It is surprising to see so many leftists suddenly supportive of an employers right to circumscribe what an employee writes in a social media account. Not enough privilege points for Israel, like name like country. Cool

He wasn’t criticising on commenting on anything to do with his employment, he just posted on his page widely accepted tenets of his religion and he can support them in scripture.

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Re: New donation page Folau
Reply #74 - Jun 27^th, 2019 at 12:45pm

Secret Wars wrote on Jun 27^th, 2019 at 12:44pm:

It is surprising to see so many leftists suddenly supportive of an employers right to circumscribe what an employee writes in a social media account. Not enough privilege points for Israel, like name like country. Cool

He wasn’t criticising on commenting on anything to do with his employment, he just posted on his page widely accepted tenets of his religion and he can support them in scripture.

He breached the Code of Conduct.

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