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Re: Rugby Australia blames the government
Reply #15 - Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:49am
 
freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:37am:
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freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:33am:
Has anyone managed to make sense of the double speak from Qantas CEO Alan Joyce? He denied pulling strings behind the scenes to get Folau fired, then followed it up by basically admitting that he threatened to pull Qantas sponsorship if they did not 'fix' the problem the same way he demanded Cricket Australia fix the ball tampering saga.





no havent read it to be honest....yes if you threaten anyone   you are provoking I would think...

perhaps he needs to take a step back and not use his position as a weapon...

sponsors have a right to distance themselves from controversy but thats where it should end...


I think Alan Joyce is doing far more harm to Qantas' reputation than Folau. There seems to be a culture of this sort of double speak in Qantas and I have personally seen them use it to rip people off.

His double speak about pulling the string to get Folau fired is in the OP.




    he is very proud of Qanta and its name and so he should be....double speak....really he is trying to explain what its like to be a sponsor of such elitist sport... and sportsmen and women.....

if you paid millions to an organisation that used your NAME   wouldnt you want your name protected  if a member  used it to claim all paedos are innocent.????

come on fd...
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Reply #16 - Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:52am
 
cods wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:49am:
freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:37am:
cods wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:36am:
freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:33am:
Has anyone managed to make sense of the double speak from Qantas CEO Alan Joyce? He denied pulling strings behind the scenes to get Folau fired, then followed it up by basically admitting that he threatened to pull Qantas sponsorship if they did not 'fix' the problem the same way he demanded Cricket Australia fix the ball tampering saga.





no havent read it to be honest....yes if you threaten anyone   you are provoking I would think...

perhaps he needs to take a step back and not use his position as a weapon...

sponsors have a right to distance themselves from controversy but thats where it should end...


I think Alan Joyce is doing far more harm to Qantas' reputation than Folau. There seems to be a culture of this sort of double speak in Qantas and I have personally seen them use it to rip people off.

His double speak about pulling the string to get Folau fired is in the OP.




    he is very proud of Qanta and its name and so he should be....double speak....really he is trying to explain what its like to be a sponsor of such elitist sport... and sportsmen and women.....

if you paid millions to an organisation that used your NAME   wouldnt you want your name protected  if a member  used it to claim all paedos are innocent.????

come on fd...


That list includes 99% of the population.

Why are we stuck on the homosexual rung.
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Reply #17 - Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:54am
 
freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:33am:
Has anyone managed to make sense of the double speak from Qantas CEO Alan Joyce? He denied pulling strings behind the scenes to get Folau fired, then followed it up by basically admitting that he threatened to pull Qantas sponsorship if they did not 'fix' the problem the same way he demanded Cricket Australia fix the ball tampering saga.


Of course he's 'denied' pulling strings to get Folau fired, but as one of their biggest sponsors there is no doubt he (Qantas) was more than happy to do so.........why.....well could it be Alan Joyces sexual preference.....? Undecided
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Reply #18 - Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:55am
 
cods wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:49am:
freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:37am:
cods wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:36am:
freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:33am:
Has anyone managed to make sense of the double speak from Qantas CEO Alan Joyce? He denied pulling strings behind the scenes to get Folau fired, then followed it up by basically admitting that he threatened to pull Qantas sponsorship if they did not 'fix' the problem the same way he demanded Cricket Australia fix the ball tampering saga.





no havent read it to be honest....yes if you threaten anyone   you are provoking I would think...

perhaps he needs to take a step back and not use his position as a weapon...

sponsors have a right to distance themselves from controversy but thats where it should end...


I think Alan Joyce is doing far more harm to Qantas' reputation than Folau. There seems to be a culture of this sort of double speak in Qantas and I have personally seen them use it to rip people off.

His double speak about pulling the string to get Folau fired is in the OP.




    he is very proud of Qanta and its name and so he should be....double speak....really he is trying to explain what its like to be a sponsor of such elitist sport... and sportsmen and women.....

if you paid millions to an organisation that used your NAME   wouldnt you want your name protected  if a member  used it to claim all paedos are innocent.????

come on fd...


That's what Joyce is choosing to hide behind now he's been rumbled and publicly called out

and he thinks we're too stupid to work him out


Anyway, the answer to that is --- NO MORE corporate sponsorships !

We all know that He who pays the piper calls the tune

So no more paying the piper

No more corporate money in sports

take it back to grass roots support

which will mean no more insane pay for what are guys who kick a ball around or for any other sports person

When corporations can't use money/sponsorship as a whip-hand, it will mean an end to sponge administrators and the obscene levels of corruption in sports
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Re: Rugby Australia blames the government
Reply #19 - Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:56am
 
cods wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:49am:
freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:37am:
cods wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:36am:
freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:33am:
Has anyone managed to make sense of the double speak from Qantas CEO Alan Joyce? He denied pulling strings behind the scenes to get Folau fired, then followed it up by basically admitting that he threatened to pull Qantas sponsorship if they did not 'fix' the problem the same way he demanded Cricket Australia fix the ball tampering saga.





no havent read it to be honest....yes if you threaten anyone   you are provoking I would think...

perhaps he needs to take a step back and not use his position as a weapon...

sponsors have a right to distance themselves from controversy but thats where it should end...


I think Alan Joyce is doing far more harm to Qantas' reputation than Folau. There seems to be a culture of this sort of double speak in Qantas and I have personally seen them use it to rip people off.

His double speak about pulling the string to get Folau fired is in the OP.




    he is very proud of Qanta and its name and so he should be....double speak....really he is trying to explain what its like to be a sponsor of such elitist sport... and sportsmen and women.....

if you paid millions to an organisation that used your NAME   wouldnt you want your name protected  if a member  used it to claim all paedos are innocent.????

come on fd...


I agree with you. I think he did pull strings behind the scenes to get Folau fired. I think he admitted to this in the article. But he also denied doing so - double speak, on behalf of Qantas.
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Reply #20 - Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:59am
 
PZ547 wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:47am:
freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:35am:
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do you think someone who calls himself a Christian has the right to claim who he believes will go to HELL.....


Of course they have that right cods.

Do you think they don't?



And as has been pointed out to non-Christian Cods repeatedly, Folau's comment included,

'unless they repent and turn their face to God'

Cods wants to pretend she hasn't been advised of that, for some reason

Folau was citing his holy book, the Bible, from whence his comments came

Folau was NOT personally condemning anyone, as he has repeatedly said

Folau was citing the authority of his God as cited in his holy book, the Bible

Jews cite THEIR holy books when they claim gentiles were created to be slaves for the jews

WHERE'S THE OUTRAGE ABOUT THAT?

Muslims cite THEIR holy books --- and WHERE'S THE OUTRAGE ABOUT THAT?


So clearly, this is an anti-Christian beat-up being pushed by the 96% owned and controlled mass media and powerful and influential others

AND AUSTRALIA HAS SPOKEN

yes

AUSTRALIA HAS SPOKEN FROM ITS POCKET

Good on you, Aussies   Smiley


Whether or not he is "correct" on Christian doctrine is irrelevant. It is his view on his religion and he has the right to express it. The church has no more right to dictate what people can say than Qantas and the homofascism lobby.
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Re: Rugby Australia blames the government
Reply #21 - Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:59am
 
PZ547 wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:47am:
freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:35am:
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do you think someone who calls himself a Christian has the right to claim who he believes will go to HELL.....


Of course they have that right cods.

Do you think they don't?



And as has been pointed out to non-Christian Cods repeatedly, Folau's comment included,

'unless they repent and turn their face to God'

Cods wants to pretend she hasn't been advised of that, for some reason

Folau was citing his holy book, the Bible, from whence his comments came

Folau was NOT personally condemning anyone, as he has repeatedly said

Folau was citing the authority of his God as cited in his holy book, the Bible

Jews cite THEIR holy books when they claim gentiles were created to be slaves for the jews

WHERE'S THE OUTRAGE ABOUT THAT?

Muslims cite THEIR holy books --- and WHERE'S THE OUTRAGE ABOUT THAT?


So clearly, this is an anti-Christian beat-up being pushed by the 96% owned and controlled mass media and powerful and influential others

AND AUSTRALIA HAS SPOKEN

yes

AUSTRALIA HAS SPOKEN FROM ITS POCKET

Good on you, Aussies   Smiley



you said it yourself pz  its Christian bashing... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

I dont give a stuff what he believes in and what he says.....

but if I asked him and got him to sign a contract that said he wouldnt plaster his beliefs on the internet.....

and he went ahead anyway... I would be more than angry...

I dont care what he believes the bible says...I am not religious in any way or form....

I dont believe any god would send anyone to HELL either... lets say my god... if I have one.. Smiley


mate folau  was paid millions to do that he signed a contract...

forget about the content of his comments....ask about the contract he signed......  all those who donated want his contract reinstated so he can go back to playing for Australia and get more millions and keep posting on instagram......

is that what you want for every aussie who signs a contract????.......they change their minds so lets get it torn up.... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

I trust you get your monies worth pz..I am sure Folau's QC will love every penny.




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Reply #22 - Jun 29th, 2019 at 11:03am
 
freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:59am:
Whether or not he is "correct" on Christian doctrine is irrelevant. It is his view on his religion and he has the right to express it. The church has no more right to dictate what people can say than Qantas and the homofascism lobby.


Well FD I thought I would never see the day but there it is, well said...... Wink
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Reply #23 - Jun 29th, 2019 at 11:04am
 
freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:56am:
cods wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:49am:
freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:37am:
cods wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:36am:
freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:33am:
Has anyone managed to make sense of the double speak from Qantas CEO Alan Joyce? He denied pulling strings behind the scenes to get Folau fired, then followed it up by basically admitting that he threatened to pull Qantas sponsorship if they did not 'fix' the problem the same way he demanded Cricket Australia fix the ball tampering saga.





no havent read it to be honest....yes if you threaten anyone   you are provoking I would think...

perhaps he needs to take a step back and not use his position as a weapon...

sponsors have a right to distance themselves from controversy but thats where it should end...


I think Alan Joyce is doing far more harm to Qantas' reputation than Folau. There seems to be a culture of this sort of double speak in Qantas and I have personally seen them use it to rip people off.

His double speak about pulling the string to get Folau fired is in the OP.




    he is very proud of Qanta and its name and so he should be....double speak....really he is trying to explain what its like to be a sponsor of such elitist sport... and sportsmen and women.....

if you paid millions to an organisation that used your NAME   wouldnt you want your name protected  if a member  used it to claim all paedos are innocent.????

come on fd...


I agree with you. I think he did pull strings behind the scenes to get Folau fired. I think he admitted to this in the article. But he also denied doing so - double speak, on behalf of Qantas.



well maybe that wasnt his intention....seriously do you think this would have gone to arbitration and get thrown out if it could be proved it was joyce who wanted him sacked .... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes I dont think the RU would humiliate their top sponsor like that...

they would have given in...

fd you seem to have it in for Joyce maybe he wont let you into his lounge room... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes dont forget   you are reading what he  has said.... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes.. it isnt always reported as so..
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Reply #24 - Jun 29th, 2019 at 11:22am
 
Cods, in God's eyes, we're all found wanting

Not our fault.  We're the result of our genes and environment, etc.

Most of us do our best and I'm confident God's appreciative of that

Personally, I don't think any half reasonable god could pass judgement on someone who, for whatever reason and there are many, is born with an inherent preference for the same sex

Sex is a powerful drive and if someone is attracted basically from birth to the same sex, then of course they're going to have same-sex relationships -- and I'm sure most Aussies understand that

Folau was citing his holy book, the Bible.  He's a relatively new convert and as they say, there's nothing to match the zeal of the new convert.  Later, they mellow

It's my suspicion that Folau, as a new convert and or born-again, believed with all his might that it was his spiritual duty to speak his God's word. And he did so originally, to my understanding, inside his church

Maybe the media, to distract from other happenings they'd rather we didn't dwell upon, had a mole in that church specifically to create pandemonium re: Folau

So Folau was challenged and on his Facebook, he responded to someone who asked him if God would sanction homosexuality -- something along those lines.  According to Folau, he took the person as genuine and tried to provide good advice drawn from the Bible, saying that adulterers, idolators, homosexuals, liars, etc. must repent before God and turn their face to God.  From that, I drew that God is eternally wishing to forgive us our transgressions and in return for being welcome in God's Heaven, all we need do is repent and turn our face to God,meaning imo, turn to God rather than to spiritually unhealthy practices such as, lying, stealing, committing adultery, etc.

but it was blown out of proportion by the media and was portrayed as if Folau himself was personally passing judgement and condemning adulterers, liars, homosexuals, thieves, etc.

So Folau, rather than God's book, was under fire.  And no matter how many times he patiently explained that at personal level he passes no judgement on those whom the Bible portrays as sinners

and it's escalated, with every man and his dog having an opinion abotu Folau the man

I can't see that someone with so much to lose financially and career-wise would challenge the ruling of those who sacked him, unless he believes -- mistakenly or not -- that he's right in principle

He may not be right.  In law, those who sacked him might be found to have no case to answer.  And Folau might well be required to pay very substantial damages and costs

Personally, I think it's been blown way out of proportion and it's the media to blame.  They've profited very nicely from the back and forth of the matter

If I were Folau, I would thank my God for my good fortune in being a fine athlete and for the money which that has provided me.  I'd buy a comfortable home for my family and take time out to grow veggies or something.  Then later, when the smoke's cleared, I might buy a business to earn my keep while I pursued my interests, religious or other

He's done well for himself.  Sports people have a limited career window.  If he lost the case, he could still retain an interest in sport playing for a country club or coaching, whatever


I think the reason people have taken this entire thing on their shoulders is because they've sat by patiently for a long time as their culture, their beliefs, values and religion have been forced to take a back seat while others have been promoted

so it's a delayed fight-back on the part of Mr and Mrs Average.  And it seems it wasn't expected and has taken certain others by shock.  They didnt' suspect Aussies had it in them and thought Aussies would take it lying down

Funny how a footy related stoush should launch the fight-back when mass migration and mosques all over the place and the attendant moslems' vehicles blocking Aussie driveways did not

reminds me of the adage, 'Tread quietly and carry a big stick'


in other words, Folau may be a convenient catalyst created by himself, perhaps, or other power groups





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Reply #25 - Jun 29th, 2019 at 11:45am
 
Maybe people will stop flying Quantas and send a message to the head fart sniffing lying piece of garbage.

Of course joyce was behind it all. Where else would it come from?
It is so good to see this blow up in their face.
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Reply #26 - Jun 29th, 2019 at 11:53am
 
cods wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:16am:
everyone has an opinion.... its normal.. I think these constant attacks on gays  is not normal....

just my opinion. Roll Eyes


This is bigger than Israel Folau': RA chair opens fire


ABSOLUTELY!


How is this an attack on gays?  Saying that in his view they would go to hell should give them a good laugh - then move on - but no, the precious ones must make a big to-do about it.

What about the constant attacks by gays on others who don't agree with their lifestyle - this being a perfect example?   Cool
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Reply #27 - Jun 29th, 2019 at 11:56am
 
freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:33am:
Has anyone managed to make sense of the double speak from Qantas CEO Alan Joyce? He denied pulling strings behind the scenes to get Folau fired, then followed it up by basically admitting that he threatened to pull Qantas sponsorship if they did not 'fix' the problem the same way he demanded Cricket Australia fix the ball tampering saga.


Gay logic....
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Reply #28 - Jun 29th, 2019 at 11:56am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 11:53am:
cods wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:16am:
everyone has an opinion.... its normal.. I think these constant attacks on gays  is not normal....

just my opinion. Roll Eyes


This is bigger than Israel Folau': RA chair opens fire


ABSOLUTELY!


How is this an attack on gays?  Saying that in his view they would go to hell should give them a good laugh - then move on - but no, the precious ones must make a big to-do about it.

What about the constant attacks by gays on others who don't agree with their lifestyle - this being a perfect example?   Cool



gays and their attendant ilk are a miniscule percent of any population

which is vastly overrepresented in the media, in movies, on tv, etc

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Reply #29 - Jun 29th, 2019 at 11:59am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 11:56am:
freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 10:33am:
Has anyone managed to make sense of the double speak from Qantas CEO Alan Joyce? He denied pulling strings behind the scenes to get Folau fired, then followed it up by basically admitting that he threatened to pull Qantas sponsorship if they did not 'fix' the problem the same way he demanded Cricket Australia fix the ball tampering saga.


Gay logic....



he represents a very powerful 'lobby'

as such, he believes -- with reason -- that he's untouchable


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