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PZ547 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9282 Gender:	Re: Rugby Australia blames the government Reply #45 - Jun 29^th, 2019 at 12:16pm Folau did NOT place a focus on gays So WHO DID ? This was NOT about freaking gays Why is it being portrayed as an 'attack on gays', then? And NO ONE wants to clarify Seems they WANT to focus on gays as usual
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Reply #46 - Jun 29^th, 2019 at 12:19pm

PZ547 wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 12:14pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 12:10pm:

As for the Thread Title...I see no blaming of the Government. I see that RA satys it was contacted by Government. How is that a 'blaming?'

As for Joyce. It is possible for both statements to stand consistently. That is...."QANTAS expressed concern. We did not ask that Folau be sacked."

So tell me --- and no hedging

did qantas express concern for liars, adulterers, idolators and all those contained within Folau's actually FEW comments ?

I wanna know

does Qantas take umbrage on behalf of thieves, those who commit adultery, who lie, who bear false witness or any of the other transgressors in Folau's comments which were drawn from the Bible?

Is Qantas a supporter of liars and adulterers, etc.?

the paying public NEEDS to know

How come Joyce didn't mention the other transgressors ?

Get onto it. Find out. Get back to us pronto

pz am not sure Joyce mentioned any group... I think he was distancing Qantas from the lot.....

who are we to JUDGE who will go and not go to HELL...

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Rugby Australia blames the government Reply #47 - Jun 29^th, 2019 at 12:20pm PZ547 wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 12:16pm: Folau did NOT place a focus on gays So WHO DID ? This was NOT about freaking gays Why is it being portrayed as an 'attack on gays', then? And NO ONE wants to clarify Seems they WANT to focus on gays as usual thats not true!! read reply 41 the top line...
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Reply #48 - Jun 29^th, 2019 at 12:40pm

cods wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 12:19pm:

PZ547 wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 12:14pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 12:10pm:

As for the Thread Title...I see no blaming of the Government. I see that RA satys it was contacted by Government. How is that a 'blaming?'

As for Joyce. It is possible for both statements to stand consistently. That is...."QANTAS expressed concern. We did not ask that Folau be sacked."

So tell me --- and no hedging

did qantas express concern for liars, adulterers, idolators and all those contained within Folau's actually FEW comments ?

I wanna know

does Qantas take umbrage on behalf of thieves, those who commit adultery, who lie, who bear false witness or any of the other transgressors in Folau's comments which were drawn from the Bible?

Is Qantas a supporter of liars and adulterers, etc.?

the paying public NEEDS to know

How come Joyce didn't mention the other transgressors ?

Get onto it. Find out. Get back to us pronto

pz am not sure Joyce mentioned any group... I think he was distancing Qantas from the lot.....

who are we to JUDGE who will go and not go to HELL...

We do not get to judge those who might go to Heaven or Hell

God is the ultimate judge and I believe in a forgiving God

I have no time for any god who's believed to have 'favourites' any more than I'd have time for a parent who boasted about having a favourite child

God is far more sophisticated than he's portrayed in any of the religious books

God isn't a mere 'person'. He's the ultimate source of all that exists. As such, the intelligence must be beyond understanding, as God is said to be. Beyond our primitive grasp. So we reduce Him/Her to suit our needs and biases

if someone is born with a preference for the same sex, does anyone actually believe God would reject them? How small and limited must they imagine God to be if they think he gives a damn what our poor race does with its genitals !

Folau was not judging and he's done and said everything possible for that to be understood

yet still some persist in turning this into a gay issue when it is not, was never intended to be and should not be

but those pushing the gay agenda have seized upon it to Folau AND God's detriment and once again to play 'victim'

Folau has stated umpteen times that he's as fallible as anyone else if the Bible were to be cited. He used to drink. He is saddled with tribal tattoos. All in his past. He's just a young man who's turned wholeheartedly to religion and believes it to be his duty to preach God's word as are contained within the Bible

Folau is being used as a whipping boy by a very powerful group who have repeatedly taken Folau's comments out of context whilst ignoring that he added, ' [i]must repent and turn to God'

the latter is a very important part of Christian teaching. Christianity, particularly the New Testament, is ALl about forgiveness, about a loving and forgiving God

would that ALL of us were as forgiving and understanding as the New Testament God

If I borrowed your car and destroyed it, how grateful would I be if -- after I'd apologised -- you said, 'That's ok. Accidents happen'

If you broke into my home and destroyed things precious to me, how terrific a person would I be if --- when you apologised -- said to you, ' I'm glad you apologised and hope you mean it to the extent you never break into anyone's home again. I forgive you'

That's what Folau said --- God will forgive anything if we apologise and from then on, turn to God -- in short, try to follow God's commandments and turn our back on our previous behaviours, e.g., adultery, lying, bearing false witness, rooting ten guys a night in a nightclub toilet

God wants us to find peace in Heaven. He doesn't want us to suffer away from Heaven. He doesn't want us to be cast into the cold for eternity. So he tells us, repent your past and in future try to live in a good way

that's not asking much in return for eternal salvation and escape from torment

And Folau was simply explaining this as a lay person who derived his comments from the Bible

it concerns all of us, every one of us, including but not specific to gays

As for Joyce, he's damaged the brand and despite that he's backed by a powerful gang, it wouldn't surprise me to see him out the door when enough time's gone by so that it can't be seen as chastisement for his inordinate involvement in this matter

no amount of excuses or rationalisation will sway public opinion in Joyce's favour. He's damaged the brand, thus costing Qantas money. And money is god to some. They'll have chewed off his ear now this has backfired as evidenced by the money donated to Folau. Qantas will now have to back peddle like mad in an effort to mollify the public and sounds as if Joyce has already been told to do just that. It's not working

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Reply #49 - Jun 29^th, 2019 at 12:51pm

PZ547 wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 12:14pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 12:10pm:

As for the Thread Title...I see no blaming of the Government. I see that RA satys it was contacted by Government. How is that a 'blaming?'

As for Joyce. It is possible for both statements to stand consistently. That is...."QANTAS expressed concern. We did not ask that Folau be sacked."

So tell me --- and no hedging

did qantas express concern for liars, adulterers, idolators and all those contained within Folau's actually FEW comments ?

I wanna know

does Qantas take umbrage on behalf of thieves, those who commit adultery, who lie, who bear false witness or any of the other transgressors in Folau's comments which were drawn from the Bible?

Is Qantas a supporter of liars and adulterers, etc.?

the paying public NEEDS to know

How come Joyce didn't mention the other transgressors ?

Get onto it. Find out. Get back to us pronto

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“When it becomes controversial, we, of course, want the sporting code to fix those issues.

“Israel’s comments were terrible for a large element of the community, a vulnerable element of the community.

“We felt that was causing controversy for our sponsorship and as a consequence, we asked Rugby Australia ‘what are you doing to make sure we’re not involved in controversy?’”

“It is their issue to resolve, they have put a solution in place, they’re working through that and we’re very supportive of what they’re doing.

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Reply #50 - Jun 29^th, 2019 at 12:54pm

The best thing this has done

Is to start the move to put the 3% mentally ill back in their place

By making such a big fuss over nothing to try and play the victim card again

The gay community have set their cause back 10 years

And rightly so, hopefully it will continue and we can wipe this sickness from our midst altogether.

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Reply #52 - Jun 29^th, 2019 at 1:33pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 12:03pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 11:59am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 11:53am:

cods wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 10:16am:

everyone has an opinion.... its normal.. I think these constant attacks on gays is not normal....

just my opinion. Roll Eyes

This is bigger than Israel Folau': RA chair opens fire

ABSOLUTELY!

How is this an attack on gays? Saying that in his view they would go to hell should give them a good laugh - then move on - but no, the precious ones must make a big to-do about it.

What about the constant attacks by gays on others who don't agree with their lifestyle - this being a perfect example? Cool

Don't really think this makes any sense since gay's like everyone else don't all have the same lifestyle.

Spot

They have a generalised and over-arching lifestyle choice of gayism as opposed to heterosexuality... simple really.

You think k bei g gay is a lifestyle? How? I know several gay ppl and they all have different lifestyles. I think you are confusing sexual orientation with something else.

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Reply #53 - Jun 29^th, 2019 at 1:35pm

PZ547 wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 12:07pm:

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Many have asked -- although there have been few responses -- how this became a gay issue?

Where are those championing adultery, for instance?

Where are those taking up arms in defence of idolators, liars, murderers and all the others who were itemised by Folau as nominated in the Bible ?

No one taking offence on their behalf?

why?

Folau didn't single out gays, he was simply citing and paraphrasing something from the Bible

but all we seem to hear about is 'gays'

as usual

Well for one thing g he is categorising gay's with thieves and murderers

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Reply #54 - Jun 29^th, 2019 at 2:00pm

freediver wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 10:13am:

Rugby Australia has started furiously shifting blame to it's sponsors - including the government. Meanwhile, Qantas CEO Alan Joyce has denied responsibility for the firing, while still publicly maintaining support for it, and admitting he approached RA to ensure they were "not involved in the controversy".

'This is bigger than Israel Folau': RA chair opens fire

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-union/this-is-bigger-than-israel-folau-ra-chair-opens-fire-20190628-p522d5.html

Mr Clyne said the prospect of a drawn out court battle was a "painful" one for Australian rugby, but the alternative was worse if RA had not acted against Folau's Instagram post in April warning homosexuals, among other groups, were destined for hell.

"[The alternative] would be that we'd have no sponsors at all because no sponsor has indicated they would be willing to be associated with social media posts of that sort and that includes government, because we've also heard from them," he said.

‘Outrageous’: Qantas boss Alan Joyce responds to explosive Folau allegation

https://www.news.com.au/sport/rugby/outrageous-qantas-boss-alan-joyce-responds-to-explosive-folau-allegation/news-story/d9ad04a6f6debbb268f0faf871ca06b3

Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce says claims he was responsible for ordering Israel Folau’s sacking are “outrageous” while comparing the saga to cricket’s ball tampering brouhaha.

Speaking at a media conference on Thursday, Joyce reiterated that the airline was supportive of Rugby Australia’s decision to tear up Folau’s contract.

But he shot down the accusation from former Wallabies coach Alan Jones — and others — that the team’s major sponsor was actively involved in the employment dispute and subsequent contract termination.

“We sponsor organisations and sports teams to get a positive benefit out of it,” Joyce told reporters.

“When it becomes controversial, we, of course, want the sporting code to fix those issues.

“Israel’s comments were terrible for a large element of the community, a vulnerable element of the community.

“We felt that was causing controversy for our sponsorship and as a consequence, we asked Rugby Australia ‘what are you doing to make sure we’re not involved in controversy?’”

“It is their issue to resolve, they have put a solution in place, they’re working through that and we’re very supportive of what they’re doing.

“The same was true of Cricket Australia with the ball tampering, we said ‘that was not good.’ “Some sponsors pulled out, we didn’t.

“We gave them time to fix it, and they fixed it.

“We’re still a sponsor and continue to be a sponsor because they did the right thing.”

Joyce also joked that Jones was welcome to continue flying with Qantas.

“We don’t discriminate against anybody — other people may, but we don’t,” he laughed.

“Even Alan Jones is welcome to get Lifetime Platinum Status if he gets there.”

Alan Joyce is a liar.... he is as involved in Israels sacking as the ANZ are with trying to take action against his wife through Netball NZ.

Corporate power and infuence in sport pushed by CEO and executive personal agendas and powered by their out of control diversity units needs a large handbrake on it.

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Reply #55 - Jun 29^th, 2019 at 2:06pm

cods wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 10:16am:

everyone has an opinion.... its normal.. I think these constant attacks on gays is not normal....

just my opinion. Roll Eyes

This is bigger than Israel Folau': RA chair opens fire

ABSOLUTELY!

What attacks on gays? Thats ruubbish.

Folau didnt attack them he merely stated his religious beliefs regarding several types of sinners that he belives will go to hell. Homosexuals were on the list.

The majority of personal verbal attacks have been toward Folau firstly and now his wife has been gutlessly targetted.

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Reply #56 - Jun 29^th, 2019 at 2:12pm

cods wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 10:49am:

freediver wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 10:37am:

cods wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 10:36am:

freediver wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 10:33am:

Has anyone managed to make sense of the double speak from Qantas CEO Alan Joyce? He denied pulling strings behind the scenes to get Folau fired, then followed it up by basically admitting that he threatened to pull Qantas sponsorship if they did not 'fix' the problem the same way he demanded Cricket Australia fix the ball tampering saga.

no havent read it to be honest....yes if you threaten anyone you are provoking I would think...

perhaps he needs to take a step back and not use his position as a weapon...

sponsors have a right to distance themselves from controversy but thats where it should end...

I think Alan Joyce is doing far more harm to Qantas' reputation than Folau. There seems to be a culture of this sort of double speak in Qantas and I have personally seen them use it to rip people off.

His double speak about pulling the string to get Folau fired is in the OP.

he is very proud of Qanta and its name and so he should be....double speak....really he is trying to explain what its like to be a sponsor of such elitist sport... and sportsmen and women.....

if you paid millions to an organisation that used your NAME wouldnt you want your name protected if a member used it to claim all paedos are innocent.????

come on fd...

Did Folau ever mention Alan Joyce or Qantas?

Alan Joyce is a twisty little grub.

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Reply #57 - Jun 29^th, 2019 at 2:15pm

Gnads wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 2:12pm:

cods wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 10:49am:

freediver wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 10:37am:

cods wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 10:36am:

freediver wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 10:33am:

Has anyone managed to make sense of the double speak from Qantas CEO Alan Joyce? He denied pulling strings behind the scenes to get Folau fired, then followed it up by basically admitting that he threatened to pull Qantas sponsorship if they did not 'fix' the problem the same way he demanded Cricket Australia fix the ball tampering saga.

no havent read it to be honest....yes if you threaten anyone you are provoking I would think...

perhaps he needs to take a step back and not use his position as a weapon...

sponsors have a right to distance themselves from controversy but thats where it should end...

I think Alan Joyce is doing far more harm to Qantas' reputation than Folau. There seems to be a culture of this sort of double speak in Qantas and I have personally seen them use it to rip people off.

His double speak about pulling the string to get Folau fired is in the OP.

he is very proud of Qanta and its name and so he should be....double speak....really he is trying to explain what its like to be a sponsor of such elitist sport... and sportsmen and women.....

if you paid millions to an organisation that used your NAME wouldnt you want your name protected if a member used it to claim all paedos are innocent.????

come on fd...

Did Folau ever mention Alan Joyce or Qantas?

Alan Joyce is a twisty little grub.

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Reply #58 - Jun 29^th, 2019 at 2:35pm

Gnads wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 2:06pm:

cods wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 10:16am:

everyone has an opinion.... its normal.. I think these constant attacks on gays is not normal....

just my opinion. Roll Eyes

This is bigger than Israel Folau': RA chair opens fire

ABSOLUTELY!

What attacks on gays? Thats ruubbish.

Folau didnt attack them he merely stated his religious beliefs regarding several types of sinners that he belives will go to hell. Homosexuals were on the list.

The majority of personal verbal attacks have been toward Folau firstly and now his wife has been gutlessly targetted.

Oh yes he did Gonads.

Watch and read:

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Reply #59 - Jun 29^th, 2019 at 2:45pm

Aussie wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 2:35pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 2:06pm:

cods wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 10:16am:

everyone has an opinion.... its normal.. I think these constant attacks on gays is not normal....

just my opinion. Roll Eyes

This is bigger than Israel Folau': RA chair opens fire

ABSOLUTELY!

What attacks on gays? Thats ruubbish.

Folau didnt attack them he merely stated his religious beliefs regarding several types of sinners that he belives will go to hell. Homosexuals were on the list.

The majority of personal verbal attacks have been toward Folau firstly and now his wife has been gutlessly targetted.

Oh yes he did Gonads.

Watch and read:

Link.

This is since the original social media post as you full well know liar ! Angry

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