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Re: freedom from religion
Reply #135 - Jul 2^nd, 2019 at 4:30pm

freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2019 at 5:57am:

These are the people I am calling homofascist, who support freedom from religion rather than freedom of religion:

Raven
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John Smith

Congratulations for finally coming out John. Aussie appears to still be in the closet though.

John Smith wrote on Jul 1^st, 2019 at 8:11pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 1^st, 2019 at 7:13pm:

Who did Folau harass and bully?

Gays, amongst others

So posting your own views on your own facebook feed is now harassing and bullying millions of people?

Does their butthurt mean Folau was not expressing his religious views when he expressed his religious views?

Do you think it is misleading to pretend you are not firing someone for their religious beliefs because you use a policy to justify firing them for their religious belief? Or does the question not make sense to a homofascist?

Give it up FD, you aren't fooling everyone. We both know the only reason you're turning the thread into an attack on members here is because you've realised how weak your own argument is.

And if all you are going to do is repeat the same questions over and over whilst ignoring the answers, then there really is no point. You're better of crying in a corner about what a poor victim you are.

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Re: freedom from religion
Reply #137 - Jul 2^nd, 2019 at 6:03pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2019 at 4:30pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2019 at 5:57am:

These are the people I am calling homofascist, who support freedom from religion rather than freedom of religion:

Raven
Captain Nemo
Cods
Pecca
John Smith

Congratulations for finally coming out John. Aussie appears to still be in the closet though.

John Smith wrote on Jul 1^st, 2019 at 8:11pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 1^st, 2019 at 7:13pm:

Who did Folau harass and bully?

Gays, amongst others

So posting your own views on your own facebook feed is now harassing and bullying millions of people?

Does their butthurt mean Folau was not expressing his religious views when he expressed his religious views?

Do you think it is misleading to pretend you are not firing someone for their religious beliefs because you use a policy to justify firing them for their religious belief? Or does the question not make sense to a homofascist?

Give it up FD, you aren't fooling everyone. We both know the only reason you're turning the thread into an attack on members here is because you've realised how weak your own argument is.

And if all you are going to do is repeat the same questions over and over whilst ignoring the answers, then there really is no point. You're better of crying in a corner about what a poor victim you are.

It's a thread about freedom from religion, as expressed by several different members here, including yourself, all of whom prefer to run away when questioned.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38864 Gender:	Re: freedom from religion Reply #138 - Jul 2^nd, 2019 at 6:53pm Quote: It's a thread about freedom from religion, as expressed by several different members here, including yourself, all of whom prefer to run away when questioned. Unlike you.
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Re: freedom from religion
Reply #139 - Jul 2^nd, 2019 at 7:00pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 1^st, 2019 at 4:14pm:

Raven wrote on Jul 1^st, 2019 at 4:07pm:

Folau has decided to turn a breech of contract into a religious argument.

He says he was fired because he is a Christian. He is wrong.

We have already established Folau was fired for his religious beliefs, the pic he posted which he did not create was religious.

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Unlawful termination

What is unlawful termination?

Section 772 of the Act says that an employer must not terminate an employee’s employment for one or more of the following unlawful reasons:

- race, colour, sex, sexual orientation, age, physical or mental disability, marital status, family or carer’s responsibilities, pregnancy, religion, political opinion, national extraction or social origin

https://www.fwc.gov.au/termination-employment/unlawful-termination

My bet is RA should settle before it goes to court or they will lose

Correlation does not imply causation. Falou being a Christian has nothing to do with RA's decision.

RA did not fire him for his religious beliefs, they fired him because he brought the game into disrepute. And not for the first time.

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Re: freedom from religion
Reply #140 - Jul 2^nd, 2019 at 7:09pm

freediver wrote on Jul 1^st, 2019 at 7:13pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 28^th, 2019 at 5:32pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 28^th, 2019 at 2:16am:

Raven wrote on Jun 27^th, 2019 at 10:11pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2019 at 9:28pm:

Raven wrote on Jun 27^th, 2019 at 9:25pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2019 at 9:06pm:

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Should Folau's right to freedom of religion trump others right to freedom from religion?

Of course. What imbecile would suggest otherwise?

So you think a person who is religious should have more rights then a person who is not?

No. I assumed when you said freedom from religion you meant something idiotic like freedom from other people's opinions.

Well we all know what assumption is the mother of.

Falou has the right to his religious beliefs. By the same token other people have the right to not be subjected to those beliefs.

You seem to be agreeing and disagreeing at the same time. So which is it? Did you mean something idiotic like freedom from the terrible burden of other people expressing a different opinion to you?

Bump for Raven.

Raven?

Are you officially running away from this one Raven? You inspired me to start this thread but now you don't want to talk about it.

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Correlation does not imply causation. Falou being a Christian has nothing to do with RA's decision.

You happily promoted freedom from religion before. Now you are spinelessly retreating to the technicality defence. Are you lying when you pretend that getting fired your your religious views has nothing to do with your religion?

Aussie wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2019 at 4:34pm:

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Aussie appears to still be in the closet though.

What closet is that Effendi?

The homofascist closet. You, Mothra, Karnal and Gandalf are the only usual suspects I can think of who have not made the absurd claim, in one form or another, that people should be free from the burden of hearing opinions they disagree with. John managed to pretend for a while.

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Re: freedom from religion
Reply #141 - Jul 2^nd, 2019 at 7:42pm

So....it seems that your definition of a homofascist is...that people should be free from the burden of hearing opinions they disagree with.

I am certain I have never said that, and I am not aware of anyone else who said that.

I don't give a flying fuq about anyone's opinion I disagree with...other than to acknowledge it exists.

My view is simple.

You have freedom of religion

No-one has freedom from opinions on religion. (Gawd..that is just so trite. If you want to tell me you believe a rock is "God"...I could not care less.)

(None of which has SFA to do with Folau.)

I really don't know what you are saying. "We" have not made an absurd claim...yet you are somehow critical. Are you confused Effendi?

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75246 Gender:	Re: freedom from religion Reply #142 - Jul 2^nd, 2019 at 8:38pm freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2019 at 6:03pm: It's a thread about freedom from religion, as expressed by several different members here, including yourself, all of whom prefer to run away when questioned. and you have been told several times that your claim is a load of bollocks.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75246 Gender:	Re: freedom from religion Reply #143 - Jul 2^nd, 2019 at 8:39pm Aussie wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2019 at 7:42pm: I really don't know what you are saying. neither does he. I think his tactic is to keep saying something, anything, in the hope that sooner or later you'll agree.
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Re: freedom from religion
Reply #144 - Jul 2^nd, 2019 at 8:44pm

freediver wrote on Jul 1^st, 2019 at 7:13pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 28^th, 2019 at 5:32pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 28^th, 2019 at 2:16am:

Raven wrote on Jun 27^th, 2019 at 10:11pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2019 at 9:28pm:

Raven wrote on Jun 27^th, 2019 at 9:25pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2019 at 9:06pm:

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Should Folau's right to freedom of religion trump others right to freedom from religion?

Of course. What imbecile would suggest otherwise?

So you think a person who is religious should have more rights then a person who is not?

No. I assumed when you said freedom from religion you meant something idiotic like freedom from other people's opinions.

Well we all know what assumption is the mother of.

Falou has the right to his religious beliefs. By the same token other people have the right to not be subjected (Amend 2 July 2019, Raven made a spelling error, he meant subjugated) to those beliefs.

You seem to be agreeing and disagreeing at the same time. So which is it? Did you mean something idiotic like freedom from the terrible burden of other people expressing a different opinion to you?

Bump for Raven.

Raven?

No

People are free to express their opinions and beliefs, they can believe in an invisible pink unicorn that wears special shoes.

But the minute they tell other people that they have to wear a specific shoe. Then we have a problem.

Subjugated: verb

To bring under domination, control, or influence.

Falou's post is an attempt to subjugate people he disapproves of.

People have a right to freedom from religion.

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Re: freedom from religion
Reply #145 - Jul 2^nd, 2019 at 8:51pm

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So....it seems that your definition of a homofascist is...that people should be free from the burden of hearing opinions they disagree with.

I am certain I have never said that, and I am not aware of anyone else who said that.

Have you read the OP?

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None of which has SFA to do with Folau.

He was fired for his religious views. You are lying when you suggest having it written in a contract changes this.

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and you have been told several times that your claim is a load of bollocks.

Sure. Like you. Just before you proved me right.

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Falou's post is an attempt to subjugate people he disapproves of.

Utter crap. This is how the homofascists work - by turning freedom on its head. So suddenly Folau voicing his own opinion is subjugating others.

Raven wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2019 at 8:44pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 1^st, 2019 at 7:13pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 28^th, 2019 at 5:32pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 28^th, 2019 at 2:16am:

Raven wrote on Jun 27^th, 2019 at 10:11pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2019 at 9:28pm:

Raven wrote on Jun 27^th, 2019 at 9:25pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2019 at 9:06pm:

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Should Folau's right to freedom of religion trump others right to freedom from religion?

Of course. What imbecile would suggest otherwise?

So you think a person who is religious should have more rights then a person who is not?

No. I assumed when you said freedom from religion you meant something idiotic like freedom from other people's opinions.

Well we all know what assumption is the mother of.

Falou has the right to his religious beliefs. By the same token other people have the right to not be subjected (Amend 2 July 2019, Raven made a spelling error, he meant subjugated) to those beliefs.

You seem to be agreeing and disagreeing at the same time. So which is it? Did you mean something idiotic like freedom from the terrible burden of other people expressing a different opinion to you?

Bump for Raven.

Raven?

No

People are free to express their opinions and beliefs, they can believe in an invisible pink unicorn that wears special shoes.

But the minute they tell other people that they have to wear a specific shoe. Then we have a problem.

Subjugated: verb

To bring under domination, control, or influence.

Falou's post is an attempt to subjugate people he disapproves of.

People have a right to freedom from religion.

There you go John and Aussie. Are you going to tell me that this is not Raven saying people have a right to freedom from religion?

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75246 Gender:	Re: freedom from religion Reply #146 - Jul 2^nd, 2019 at 8:55pm freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2019 at 8:51pm: Sure. Like you. Just before you proved me right. good luck with that. Not having a good night are you.
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Re: freedom from religion
Reply #147 - Jul 2^nd, 2019 at 8:59pm

freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2019 at 8:51pm:

There you go John and Aussie. Are you going to tell me that this is not Raven saying people have a right to freedom from religion?

no, what I am telling you is that it isn't coming from
Raven
Captain Nemo
Cods
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John Smith

Now, why do you feel you have to lie all the time FD?

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Re: freedom from religion
Reply #148 - Jul 2^nd, 2019 at 9:00pm

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People are free to express their opinions and beliefs, they can believe in an invisible pink unicorn that wears special shoes.

Agree.

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But the minute they tell other people that they have to wear a specific shoe. Then we have a problem.

Agree.

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Falou's post is an attempt to subjugate people he disapproves of.

Nah. All he is doing is what Effendi is doing. He is saying Gays go to Hell. Who cares what either of them say? I don't.

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People have a right to freedom from religion.

Disagree. "People are free to express their opinions and beliefs, they can believe in an invisible pink unicorn that wears special shoes." I have no right to not hear that stuff.

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Re: freedom from religion
Reply #149 - Jul 2^nd, 2019 at 9:01pm

freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2019 at 7:09pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 1^st, 2019 at 7:13pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 28^th, 2019 at 5:32pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 28^th, 2019 at 2:16am:

Raven wrote on Jun 27^th, 2019 at 10:11pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2019 at 9:28pm:

Raven wrote on Jun 27^th, 2019 at 9:25pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2019 at 9:06pm:

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Should Folau's right to freedom of religion trump others right to freedom from religion?

Of course. What imbecile would suggest otherwise?

So you think a person who is religious should have more rights then a person who is not?

No. I assumed when you said freedom from religion you meant something idiotic like freedom from other people's opinions.

Well we all know what assumption is the mother of.

Falou has the right to his religious beliefs. By the same token other people have the right to not be subjected to those beliefs.

You seem to be agreeing and disagreeing at the same time. So which is it? Did you mean something idiotic like freedom from the terrible burden of other people expressing a different opinion to you?

Bump for Raven.

Raven?

Are you officially running away from this one Raven? You inspired me to start this thread but now you don't want to talk about it.

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Correlation does not imply causation. Falou being a Christian has nothing to do with RA's decision.

You happily promoted freedom from religion before. Now you are spinelessly retreating to the technicality defence. Are you lying when you pretend that getting fired your your religious views has nothing to do with your religion?

He wasn't fired for his religious views.

RA have known about his religious views for years.

He was fired because he breached his code of conduct.

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