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Reply #90 - Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:27pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:20pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:18pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:14pm:
Raven wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:07pm:
Folau has decided to turn a breech of contract into a religious argument.

He says he was fired because he is a Christian. He is wrong.



We have already established Folau was fired for his religious beliefs, the pic he posted which he did not create was religious.

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Unlawful termination


What is unlawful termination?

Section 772 of the Act says that an employer must not terminate an employee’s employment for one or more of the following unlawful reasons:

- race, colour, sex, sexual orientation, age, physical or mental disability, marital status, family or carer’s responsibilities, pregnancy, religion, political opinion, national extraction or social origin

https://www.fwc.gov.au/termination-employment/unlawful-termination


My bet is RA should settle before it goes to court or they will lose

I hope it goes all the way so a precedent is set. Otherwise people will keep getting sacked .


You think that people who breach their employer's Code of Conduct shouldn't be sacked?

Really?

In the Rugby code of conduct it states that people within the organisation should respect a person religious beliefs. It's code of conduct contradicts itself. That's the issue and why falou will win.
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Reply #91 - Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:30pm
 
Rugby Australia Code of Conduct





Rugby Australia Code of Conduct  9

3 CODE OF CONDUCT – ADMINISTRATORS, OFFICERS OF A RUGBY BODY
3.1 The safety, health and welfare of players comes first.  Be aware of, and always comply with, the Rugby AU Safety Policies and Guidelines and be alert to minimise dangerous or foul play.
3.2 Treat everyone equally regardless of gender or gender identity, sexual orientation, ethnicity, cultural or religious background, age or disability. Any form of bullying, harassment or discrimination has no place in Rugby. 
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Re: freedom from religion
Reply #92 - Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:42pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:27pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:20pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:18pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:14pm:
Raven wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:07pm:
Folau has decided to turn a breech of contract into a religious argument.

He says he was fired because he is a Christian. He is wrong.



We have already established Folau was fired for his religious beliefs, the pic he posted which he did not create was religious.

Quote:
Unlawful termination


What is unlawful termination?

Section 772 of the Act says that an employer must not terminate an employee’s employment for one or more of the following unlawful reasons:

- race, colour, sex, sexual orientation, age, physical or mental disability, marital status, family or carer’s responsibilities, pregnancy, religion, political opinion, national extraction or social origin

https://www.fwc.gov.au/termination-employment/unlawful-termination


My bet is RA should settle before it goes to court or they will lose

I hope it goes all the way so a precedent is set. Otherwise people will keep getting sacked .


You think that people who breach their employer's Code of Conduct shouldn't be sacked?

Really?

In the Rugby code of conduct it states that people within the organisation should respect a person religious beliefs. It's code of conduct contradicts itself. That's the issue and why falou will win.


There are many reasons why Folau will win.

As FD said the Homofacists have their heads so far up their asses they cannot see what is happening.
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Re: freedom from religion
Reply #93 - Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:46pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:42pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:27pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:20pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:18pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:14pm:
Raven wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:07pm:
Folau has decided to turn a breech of contract into a religious argument.

He says he was fired because he is a Christian. He is wrong.



We have already established Folau was fired for his religious beliefs, the pic he posted which he did not create was religious.

Quote:
Unlawful termination


What is unlawful termination?

Section 772 of the Act says that an employer must not terminate an employee’s employment for one or more of the following unlawful reasons:

- race, colour, sex, sexual orientation, age, physical or mental disability, marital status, family or carer’s responsibilities, pregnancy, religion, political opinion, national extraction or social origin

https://www.fwc.gov.au/termination-employment/unlawful-termination


My bet is RA should settle before it goes to court or they will lose

I hope it goes all the way so a precedent is set. Otherwise people will keep getting sacked .


You think that people who breach their employer's Code of Conduct shouldn't be sacked?

Really?

In the Rugby code of conduct it states that people within the organisation should respect a person religious beliefs. It's code of conduct contradicts itself. That's the issue and why falou will win.


There are many reasons why Folau will win.

As FD said the Homofacists have their heads so far up their asses they cannot see what is happening.

We live in a age where people are too afraid to be offended. Why anybody would getting their knickers in a twist about some god botherer telling people they are going to hell is beyond me. That's far too sensitive and alarming.
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Re: freedom from religion
Reply #94 - Jul 1st, 2019 at 5:06pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:27pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:20pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:18pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:14pm:
Raven wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:07pm:
Folau has decided to turn a breech of contract into a religious argument.

He says he was fired because he is a Christian. He is wrong.



We have already established Folau was fired for his religious beliefs, the pic he posted which he did not create was religious.

Quote:
Unlawful termination


What is unlawful termination?

Section 772 of the Act says that an employer must not terminate an employee’s employment for one or more of the following unlawful reasons:

- race, colour, sex, sexual orientation, age, physical or mental disability, marital status, family or carer’s responsibilities, pregnancy, religion, political opinion, national extraction or social origin

https://www.fwc.gov.au/termination-employment/unlawful-termination


My bet is RA should settle before it goes to court or they will lose

I hope it goes all the way so a precedent is set. Otherwise people will keep getting sacked .


You think that people who breach their employer's Code of Conduct shouldn't be sacked?

Really?

In the Rugby code of conduct it states that people within the organisation should respect a person religious beliefs. It's code of conduct contradicts itself. That's the issue and why falou will win.


Lol  Grin

Good luck with that.

Let me know how it works out for him.
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Re: freedom from religion
Reply #95 - Jul 1st, 2019 at 5:18pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 5:06pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:27pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:20pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:18pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:14pm:
Raven wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:07pm:
Folau has decided to turn a breech of contract into a religious argument.

He says he was fired because he is a Christian. He is wrong.



We have already established Folau was fired for his religious beliefs, the pic he posted which he did not create was religious.

Quote:
Unlawful termination


What is unlawful termination?

Section 772 of the Act says that an employer must not terminate an employee’s employment for one or more of the following unlawful reasons:

- race, colour, sex, sexual orientation, age, physical or mental disability, marital status, family or carer’s responsibilities, pregnancy, religion, political opinion, national extraction or social origin

https://www.fwc.gov.au/termination-employment/unlawful-termination


My bet is RA should settle before it goes to court or they will lose

I hope it goes all the way so a precedent is set. Otherwise people will keep getting sacked .


You think that people who breach their employer's Code of Conduct shouldn't be sacked?

Really?

In the Rugby code of conduct it states that people within the organisation should respect a person religious beliefs. It's code of conduct contradicts itself. That's the issue and why falou will win.


Lol  Grin

Good luck with that.

Let me know how it works out for him.

You'll eventually find out. Rugby Australia will settle out of court. QANTAS will foot the bill.
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Re: freedom from religion
Reply #96 - Jul 1st, 2019 at 5:19pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:20pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:18pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:14pm:
Raven wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:07pm:
Folau has decided to turn a breech of contract into a religious argument.

He says he was fired because he is a Christian. He is wrong.



We have already established Folau was fired for his religious beliefs, the pic he posted which he did not create was religious.

Quote:
Unlawful termination


What is unlawful termination?

Section 772 of the Act says that an employer must not terminate an employee’s employment for one or more of the following unlawful reasons:

- race, colour, sex, sexual orientation, age, physical or mental disability, marital status, family or carer’s responsibilities, pregnancy, religion, political opinion, national extraction or social origin

https://www.fwc.gov.au/termination-employment/unlawful-termination


My bet is RA should settle before it goes to court or they will lose

I hope it goes all the way so a precedent is set. Otherwise people will keep getting sacked .


You think that people who breach their employer's Code of Conduct shouldn't be sacked?

Really?



you can tell hammer has never owned a business. Only a moron would encourage their staff to be rude to their customers. Cheesy Cheesy
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Re: freedom from religion
Reply #97 - Jul 1st, 2019 at 5:26pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 5:19pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:20pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:18pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:14pm:
Raven wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:07pm:
Folau has decided to turn a breech of contract into a religious argument.

He says he was fired because he is a Christian. He is wrong.



We have already established Folau was fired for his religious beliefs, the pic he posted which he did not create was religious.

Quote:
Unlawful termination


What is unlawful termination?

Section 772 of the Act says that an employer must not terminate an employee’s employment for one or more of the following unlawful reasons:

- race, colour, sex, sexual orientation, age, physical or mental disability, marital status, family or carer’s responsibilities, pregnancy, religion, political opinion, national extraction or social origin

https://www.fwc.gov.au/termination-employment/unlawful-termination


My bet is RA should settle before it goes to court or they will lose

I hope it goes all the way so a precedent is set. Otherwise people will keep getting sacked .


You think that people who breach their employer's Code of Conduct shouldn't be sacked?

Really?



you can tell hammer has never owned a business. Only a moron would encourage their staff to be rude to their customers. Cheesy Cheesy

He wasn't being rude to anybody. He was just parroting Christian doctrine.
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Reply #98 - Jul 1st, 2019 at 5:28pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:27pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:20pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:18pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:14pm:
Raven wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:07pm:
Folau has decided to turn a breech of contract into a religious argument.

He says he was fired because he is a Christian. He is wrong.



We have already established Folau was fired for his religious beliefs, the pic he posted which he did not create was religious.

Quote:
Unlawful termination


What is unlawful termination?

Section 772 of the Act says that an employer must not terminate an employee’s employment for one or more of the following unlawful reasons:

- race, colour, sex, sexual orientation, age, physical or mental disability, marital status, family or carer’s responsibilities, pregnancy, religion, political opinion, national extraction or social origin

https://www.fwc.gov.au/termination-employment/unlawful-termination


My bet is RA should settle before it goes to court or they will lose

I hope it goes all the way so a precedent is set. Otherwise people will keep getting sacked .


You think that people who breach their employer's Code of Conduct shouldn't be sacked?

Really?

In the Rugby code of conduct it states that people within the organisation should respect a person religious beliefs. It's code of conduct contradicts itself. That's the issue and why falou will win.



No it doesn't. Their COC says they should treat everyone equally, regardless of sexual orientation etc etc. Falau is not. He is targetting gays and treating them like sinners. The same rule would apply to anyone who played rugby for RA. Not just bible thumping Christians. Folau is not being discriminated on because of his religion.


I would bet $1000 that if it had been a muslim who posted that, and RA sacked him, you'd be cheering them on.
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Reply #99 - Jul 1st, 2019 at 5:32pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 5:26pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 5:19pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:20pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:18pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:14pm:
Raven wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:07pm:
Folau has decided to turn a breech of contract into a religious argument.

He says he was fired because he is a Christian. He is wrong.



We have already established Folau was fired for his religious beliefs, the pic he posted which he did not create was religious.

Quote:
Unlawful termination


What is unlawful termination?

Section 772 of the Act says that an employer must not terminate an employee’s employment for one or more of the following unlawful reasons:

- race, colour, sex, sexual orientation, age, physical or mental disability, marital status, family or carer’s responsibilities, pregnancy, religion, political opinion, national extraction or social origin

https://www.fwc.gov.au/termination-employment/unlawful-termination


My bet is RA should settle before it goes to court or they will lose

I hope it goes all the way so a precedent is set. Otherwise people will keep getting sacked .


You think that people who breach their employer's Code of Conduct shouldn't be sacked?

Really?



you can tell hammer has never owned a business. Only a moron would encourage their staff to be rude to their customers. Cheesy Cheesy

He wasn't being rude to anybody. He was just parroting Christian doctrine.


and in doing so he targetted gays, drunks etc etc.. Targetting anyone for their sexual orientation is a no no.
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Reply #100 - Jul 1st, 2019 at 5:35pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 5:32pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 5:26pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 5:19pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:20pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:18pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:14pm:
Raven wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:07pm:
Folau has decided to turn a breech of contract into a religious argument.

He says he was fired because he is a Christian. He is wrong.



We have already established Folau was fired for his religious beliefs, the pic he posted which he did not create was religious.

Quote:
Unlawful termination


What is unlawful termination?

Section 772 of the Act says that an employer must not terminate an employee’s employment for one or more of the following unlawful reasons:

- race, colour, sex, sexual orientation, age, physical or mental disability, marital status, family or carer’s responsibilities, pregnancy, religion, political opinion, national extraction or social origin

https://www.fwc.gov.au/termination-employment/unlawful-termination


My bet is RA should settle before it goes to court or they will lose

I hope it goes all the way so a precedent is set. Otherwise people will keep getting sacked .


You think that people who breach their employer's Code of Conduct shouldn't be sacked?

Really?



you can tell hammer has never owned a business. Only a moron would encourage their staff to be rude to their customers. Cheesy Cheesy

He wasn't being rude to anybody. He was just parroting Christian doctrine.


and in doing so he targetted gays, drunks etc etc.. Targetting anyone for their sexual orientation is a no no.

Well take it up with Christianity then. Throw in Islam as well.
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Reply #101 - Jul 1st, 2019 at 5:44pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 5:35pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 5:32pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 5:26pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 5:19pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:20pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:18pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:14pm:
Raven wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:07pm:
Folau has decided to turn a breech of contract into a religious argument.

He says he was fired because he is a Christian. He is wrong.



We have already established Folau was fired for his religious beliefs, the pic he posted which he did not create was religious.

Quote:
Unlawful termination


What is unlawful termination?

Section 772 of the Act says that an employer must not terminate an employee’s employment for one or more of the following unlawful reasons:

- race, colour, sex, sexual orientation, age, physical or mental disability, marital status, family or carer’s responsibilities, pregnancy, religion, political opinion, national extraction or social origin

https://www.fwc.gov.au/termination-employment/unlawful-termination


My bet is RA should settle before it goes to court or they will lose

I hope it goes all the way so a precedent is set. Otherwise people will keep getting sacked .


You think that people who breach their employer's Code of Conduct shouldn't be sacked?

Really?



you can tell hammer has never owned a business. Only a moron would encourage their staff to be rude to their customers. Cheesy Cheesy

He wasn't being rude to anybody. He was just parroting Christian doctrine.


and in doing so he targetted gays, drunks etc etc.. Targetting anyone for their sexual orientation is a no no.

Well take it up with Christianity then. Throw in Islam as well.



Christianity doesn't have a contract with RA, Folau does did.
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Reply #102 - Jul 1st, 2019 at 5:52pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:18pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:14pm:
We have already established Folau was fired for his religious beliefs ...


Nope.

He was fired because he "committed a high-level breach of the Professional Players’ Code of Conduct”.

If you can find an official document from his employer saying that they sacked him for his religious beliefs, I'd be very interested in seeing it.


A breach according to RA .... a Code of Conduct that also protects his right to his religion & religious views.

If Israel is in breach then so is RA.
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Reply #103 - Jul 1st, 2019 at 5:56pm
 
Gnads wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 5:52pm:
a Code of Conduct that also protects his right to his religion & religious views



Does it? The way I read it RA code of conduct says that he can't be treated DIFFERENTLY for his religious beliefs. To make a case against RA you'd need to prove that if it was some other player of a different religion posting crap on social media he would be treated differently.
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Reply #104 - Jul 1st, 2019 at 7:13pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 11:12pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 8:59pm:
I'm sure they'll summon up the courage to speak for themselves then.



you bought them up, not me.

freediver wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 8:59pm:
Not by them.


doesn't make you any less wrong

freediver wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 8:59pm:
No they weren't.


yes they were. Aussie answered your questions earlier. I know what you can do, keep asking. Maybe that'll work for you the next time around.

freediver wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 8:59pm:
I'm sure they'll summon up the courage to speak for themselves then.

if they can be bothered.





You asked, I answered.

Have any of them asked you to speak on their behalf?

Aussie is not one of them.

John Smith wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 8:35pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 8:25pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 8:22pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 7:32pm:
That's all. Just wanted to establish that he was fired for his religious views.



which would be great if he wasn't in fact sacked for breaching his contract Cheesy Cheesy


By expressing his religious views.

Having a bit of paper to justify what you do does not mean you aren't actually doing it.


no, by 'harassing or bullying' someone because of their sexual preference. His religious views are not an escape clause in my view.


Who did Folau harass and bully? Does their butthurt mean Folau was not expressing his religious views when he expressed his religious views? Why does this double speak seem to come with the territory of homofascist apologetics?

freediver wrote on Jun 28th, 2019 at 5:32pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 28th, 2019 at 2:16am:
Raven wrote on Jun 27th, 2019 at 10:11pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 27th, 2019 at 9:28pm:
Raven wrote on Jun 27th, 2019 at 9:25pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 27th, 2019 at 9:06pm:
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Should Folau's right to freedom of religion trump others right to freedom from religion?


Of course. What imbecile would suggest otherwise?


So you think a person who is religious should have more rights then a person who is not?


No. I assumed when you said freedom from religion you meant something idiotic like freedom from other people's opinions.


Well we all know what assumption is the mother of.

Falou has the right to his religious beliefs. By the same token other people have the right to not be subjected to those beliefs.


You seem to be agreeing and disagreeing at the same time. So which is it? Did you mean something idiotic like freedom from the terrible burden of other people expressing a different opinion to you?


Bump for Raven.


Raven?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:14pm:
Raven wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:07pm:
He was not fired because of his religious beliefs, he was fired because he continually breached the code of conduct he promised to abide by.


Exactly.

And now he's going to waste everyone's time & money in the Federal Court just to be told that.

What a boofhead.




Inventing a code of conduct that forbids expressing his religious beliefs does not mean he was not fired for expressing his religious beliefs, just that you are a spineless apologist for the homofascists.
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