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Jul 7th, 2019 at 6:55am
 
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Scott Morrison’s plan to put cleaners, farm workers and shop assistants in the same tax bracket as senior executives will see him slash government spending on infrastructure, aged care, pensions, hospitals, schools, scientific research, industry development, skills training and universities to make up for the lost revenue.

The peak body for working people has slammed the cuts, demanding Mr Morrison explain which services he will cut to pay for stage three of his tax plan.

The Morrison Government refused to pass modest tax cuts for working people on low and middle incomes without also attaching much larger handouts for those earning more than half a million dollars a year.

The third stage of the tax plan mainly benefits very high income earners.

The result is a flat tax for people paid between $45,000 and $200,000 a year – a regressive move that abolishes the progressive nature of Australia’s taxation system.

Mr Morrison’s assertion that the budget will not need to be cut relies on optimistic wage growth targets that the Coalition has repeatedly failed to reach in the past.

It will require substantial cuts to government services that working people depend on, will see people who do public service work funded by the commonwealth sacked, and will make our country less fair.

The cuts come at a time of sustained record low wages growth, meaning working people will have less capacity to pay the out-of-pocket costs incurred by looming federal government cuts.

Quotes attributable to ACTU Secretary Sally McManus:

“It is telling of this government’s priorities that they refused to pass a tax cut for people on low and middle incomes without also attaching much larger cuts for people on half a million dollars a year.

“The third stage of the tax cuts fundamentally changes the progressive nature of our tax system. It puts people on barely more than the minimum wage in the same tax bracket as people who are paid five times as much.

“Why should the office cleaner and the CEO be in the same tax bracket?

“Scott Morrison has set a time bomb ticking. They have no plan to reach their wage growth targets, and when they fail to meet those targets the result will be cuts to services and job losses in schools, hospitals, universities, aged care and the community sector.

“Scott Morrison needs to explain which services that working people rely on he is going to cut to pay for the third stage of these cuts. Will we have fewer nurses? Fewer hospital beds? Fewer teachers, or fewer schools? Will we have longer wait times? Lower Medicare rebates?

“Tax cuts are not a substitute for real wage increases. Scott Morrison and his Government’s plan will deliberately keep wages low.

“They’ve cut penalty rates. They’ve capped public service wages to produce real wage cuts. And they’ve admitted it’s a ‘design feature’ of their economic plan.                                                                     

“I invite Scott Morrison to take the sensible actions on wages that we have proposed – reverse penalty rate cuts, remove public service caps and support a living wage.”
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Reply #1 - Jul 7th, 2019 at 9:30am
 
Anyone know what the rich will lose out from this?  Societal change?
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Reply #2 - Jul 7th, 2019 at 9:36am
 
Yes our great economic managers - once again giving away money that they don't have.

Thay fail on economics 101 every one of them every time.

Proof of the concept that if you pay monkeys more money they buy more peanuts.

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Reply #3 - Jul 7th, 2019 at 9:41am
 
So what are people spending their tax cuts on?  Making the economy great?  Paying off debt?  Saving for the worsening economic climate?
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Reply #4 - Jul 7th, 2019 at 9:45am
 
stunspore wrote on Jul 7th, 2019 at 9:41am:
So what are people spending their tax cuts on?  Making the economy great?  Paying off debt?  Saving for the worsening economic climate?


Mine is going to the Kaymens.
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Reply #5 - Jul 7th, 2019 at 10:38am
 
Let's be up front about the politics of all this ...

Labor is desperate for the Coalition to fail to produce a budget surplus (hence the "plan" to get tax cuts and infrastructure spending brought forward.)

The Coalition is desperate to produce a budget surplus so it can tick off the promise they made.

Sure, the economics of stimulus should outweigh the narrow focus of a surplus ... and those on Insiders made the claim that "the people " would forgive the Coalition if they failed to produce the promised surplus.

To which I say: BULL-DUST!!!

The Coalition would be pilloried up hill and down dale if they failed to bring in a budget surplus.

That's the politics of the situation.

Now, after the Coalition ticks the box of the promised surplus, I reckon they will then borrow more to bring forward more economic stimulus.

The reality is: they are determined to bring in that promised budget surplus. If they fail, Labor will be screaming from the rooftops that the Coalition were liars.

As for the longer-term tax reform plan?

People whinge that there is too much short-term government ... then when the government comes up with a longer-term reform package ... people whinge about it!

Pfft.

We need longer-term planning in this country.



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Reply #6 - Jul 7th, 2019 at 11:28am
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Jul 7th, 2019 at 10:38am:
Let's be up front about the politics of all this ...

Labor is desperate for the Coalition to fail to produce a budget surplus (hence the "plan" to get tax cuts and infrastructure spending brought forward.)

Labor is not motivated by the desire not to see a surplus. Labor is motivated by the real need to avoid a possible recession. By refusing Labor's amendments to stimulate the economy, the Coalition are the ones who would wear any economic downturn.

You crap on about Labor's plans, but the Coalition have no plans at all! What would the Coalition do to rescue the economy? Austerity? That's a guaranteed path to more pain. Negative economy plus negative government spending equals more negative economy. Government austerity during an economic downturn does not work. Tax cuts for the rich? That won't work either. They're not going to spend them.

Captain Nemo wrote on Jul 7th, 2019 at 10:38am:
The Coalition is desperate to produce a budget surplus so it can tick off the promise they made.

Sure, the economics of stimulus should out-way the narrow focus of a surplus ... and those on Insiders made the claim that "the people " would forgive the Coalition if they failed to produce the promised surplus.

To which I say: BULL-DUST!!!

The Coalition would be pilloried up hill and down dale if they failed to bring in a budget surplus.

That's the politics of the situation.

I disagree. Whether the Federal Budget is positive or negative by some numbers after the decimal point is of little consequence. The Coalition promised a Budget surplus "in the first term". This didn't happen. They were re-elected.

Allowing the economy to slide into recession is much worse for any government. Governments that are in office during a recession are usually voted out at the next election. If the Coalition managed to deliver a surplus, but ended up crashing the economy into recession, it is not that surplus that will be top of mind for voters at the next election.

This is why Labor tried to bring forward the second part of the tax cuts. Leaving them as they are is too late to stimulate an economy that needs real help over the next 12 months.
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Reply #7 - Jul 7th, 2019 at 11:42am
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Jul 7th, 2019 at 10:38am:
Now, after the Coalition ticks the box of the promised surplus, I reckon they will then borrow more to bring forward more economic stimulus.

It would be too late. The time to act is NOW. What happens over the next 12 months is crucial.

If the Coalition hold off until they've got that surplus, the economy could already be in recession by the time it's delivered. It is certainly in bad shape right now.

Captain Nemo wrote on Jul 7th, 2019 at 10:38am:
The reality is: they are determined to bring in that promised budget surplus. If they fail, Labor will be screaming from the rooftops that the Coalition were liars.

But the Coalition are liars. Whether a surplus is delivered or not is just one more lie on a very long list of mendacity.

Captain Nemo wrote on Jul 7th, 2019 at 10:38am:
As for the longer-term tax reform plan?

People whinge that there is too much short-term government ... then when the government comes up with a longer-term reform package ... people whinge about it!

Pfft.

We need longer-term planning in this country.

The Coalition's irresponsible tax policy is handing out more and more money for the rich, while at the same time very generous tax concessions and other wealthfare remain in place. Capital gains tax concessions, negative gearing, dividend imputation, private health insurance rebate - these and many other tax breaks and spending measures would all need to be scrapped to pay for these tax cuts. The Coalition have been very quiet about how they plan to pay for these cuts, and for good reason.

And in the meantime, the government is actively INCREASING taxes at the low end of the tax scale. Lowering the HECS repayment threshold, not touching the tax free threshold, not lowering the 19 cent threshold: it is abundantly clear that the government is actively shifting the tax burden from those who can afford it to those who cannot. Someone only 10% above the minimum wage would have a HIGHER marginal tax rate than someone on four times as much income who doesn't have such a "debt". This is just one of many examples of the highly regressive nature of our taxation and payment system that is going to need strong remedies after the Coalition have finished doing their smash-and-grab damage to the taxation system.
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Reply #8 - Jul 7th, 2019 at 11:47am
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Jul 7th, 2019 at 10:38am:
Now, after the Coalition ticks the box of the promised surplus, I reckon they will then borrow more to bring forward more economic stimulus.



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Reply #9 - Jul 7th, 2019 at 11:48am
 
Ooh.... I don't think Labor Luvvies should be talking about increasing taxes.  Grin

Your mob just lost the unlosable election over increasing taxes.  Wink
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Reply #10 - Jul 7th, 2019 at 11:51am
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Jul 7th, 2019 at 10:38am:
Let's be up front about the politics of all this ...

Labor is desperate for the Coalition to fail to produce a budget surplus (hence the "plan" to get tax cuts and infrastructure spending brought forward.)

The Coalition is desperate to produce a budget surplus so it can tick off the promise they made.

Sure, the economics of stimulus should out-way the narrow focus of a surplus ... and those on Insiders made the claim that "the people " would forgive the Coalition if they failed to produce the promised surplus.

To which I say: BULL-DUST!!!

The Coalition would be pilloried up hill and down dale if they failed to bring in a budget surplus.

That's the politics of the situation.

Now, after the Coalition ticks the box of the promised surplus, I reckon they will then borrow more to bring forward more economic stimulus.

The reality is: they are determined to bring in that promised budget surplus. If they fail, Labor will be screaming from the rooftops that the Coalition were liars.

As for the longer-term tax reform plan?

People whinge that there is too much short-term government ... then when the government comes up with a longer-term reform package ... people whinge about it!

Pfft.

We need longer-term planning in this country.



You could not be further from the point.

There was never any possibility of a budget surplus and the budget figures support that position - the claims of a budget surplus was nothing more than an election year lie.

Growth needs to be double what is is with no additional spending for a surplus to be barely possible and they have now locked in billions in short medium and long term spending. The growth expectation has been downgraded and the RBA have cut interest rates meaning that the budget bottom line is in trouble and not the opposite.

Labor have no impact on the Liberals timing agenda at all, that claim is just silly. There was never any chance of a surplus this financial year, none at all even the budget that claimed a future surplus contained the proof that it will not happen.

The announced surplus is the reason SloMo's staff are carrying fire extinguishers - they are worried about his pants catching fire.
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Captain Nemo wrote on Jul 7th, 2019 at 11:48am:
Ooh.... I don't think Labor Luvvies should be talking about increasing taxes.  Grin

Your mob just lost the unlosable election over increasing taxes.  Wink


Well lies about non existent tax increases anyway.
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Captain Nemo wrote on Jul 7th, 2019 at 10:38am:
Let's be up front about the politics of all this ...

Labor is desperate for the Coalition to fail to produce a budget surplus (hence the "plan" to get tax cuts and infrastructure spending brought forward.)

The Coalition is desperate to produce a budget surplus so it can tick off the promise they made.

Sure, the economics of stimulus should out-way the narrow focus of a surplus ... and those on Insiders made the claim that "the people " would forgive the Coalition if they failed to produce the promised surplus.

To which I say: BULL-DUST!!!

The Coalition would be pilloried up hill and down dale if they failed to bring in a budget surplus.

That's the politics of the situation.

Now, after the Coalition ticks the box of the promised surplus, I reckon they will then borrow more to bring forward more economic stimulus.

The reality is: they are determined to bring in that promised budget surplus. If they fail, Labor will be screaming from the rooftops that the Coalition were liars.

As for the longer-term tax reform plan?

People whinge that there is too much short-term government ... then when the government comes up with a longer-term reform package ... people whinge about it!

Pfft.

We need longer-term planning in this country.




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People whinge that there is too much short-term government ... then when the government comes up with a longer-term reform package ... people whinge about it!


Giving a shite load of money you don't have to your mates isn't even vaguely related to any type of reform. In fact is is as shorter term thinking as is possible.

They have given away billions to people who don't need it and they don't even know how they will pay for it. Dumb as dog doo doo.
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Reply #13 - Jul 7th, 2019 at 12:13pm
 
I thought the "top end of town" only benefited after 2022/23 FY. Seeing as that is after the next federal election perhaps Labor should start planning now.
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Reply #14 - Jul 7th, 2019 at 12:17pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jul 7th, 2019 at 11:52am:
Well lies about non existent tax increases anyway.


Oh I thought it was supposedly "lies" about NEW taxes. If people end up paying more tax, for whatever reason, it is a tax increase. It increases the amount of tax paid on the same income.

Like the proposed CGT discount being halved on sale of rental properties.
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