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Reply #15 - Jul 8th, 2019 at 8:34pm
 
lee wrote on Jul 8th, 2019 at 7:48pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Jul 8th, 2019 at 7:23pm:
Making excuses and buck passing even before the program exposes these ass holes....How predictable!!!



Are you really that much of a nong? Both parties are culpable. But you only want to focus on one. Roll Eyes


Haven't seen the show yet....How do you know what and whom it will expose....Making excuses and buck passing even before the program exposes these ass holes....How predictable!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #16 - Jul 8th, 2019 at 8:52pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Jul 8th, 2019 at 8:34pm:
Haven't seen the show yet....How do you know what and whom it will expose....Making excuses and buck passing even before the program exposes these ass holes....How predictable!!!


So you haven't seen the show and already apportioning blame. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #17 - Jul 8th, 2019 at 8:58pm
 
Bam wrote on Jul 8th, 2019 at 8:04pm:
Get your hand off it. All of the misconduct has occurred on the Coalition's watch and several Coalition MPs are involved.



"Yet he said the authority consistently refused to acknowledge the failings of its hydrological modelling, which did not take account of climate change, natural losses in the system and was informed by limited data on what was really happening in the river.

The result, he said, was an outcome that would probably only be delivered on a desktop computer.

The commissioner, Bret Walker SC, is forensically examining the processes that led the government to set the 2,750GL environmental water recovery target for the Murray-Darling basin in 2012 and subsequent amendments that will further reduce environmental flows."

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/jul/24/murray-darling-basin-auth...

From the garudian, so it must be true.

You do understand the reference to 2012; don't you?
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Reply #18 - Jul 8th, 2019 at 9:15pm
 
$13 billion of our taxpayers money wasted.  Shocked
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Reply #19 - Jul 8th, 2019 at 9:44pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 8th, 2019 at 9:15pm:
$13 billion of our taxpayers money wasted.



If they have bought back water entitlements; is it wasted?

Which of course is much different to over committing on water entitlements. Something that should never have been done.
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Reply #20 - Jul 8th, 2019 at 9:46pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 8th, 2019 at 9:15pm:
$13 billion of our taxpayers money wasted.  Shocked


AT least 4 billion wasted on scammers. Isn't that the liberal way ! Can't run a profitable business unless they are ripping someone off Sad
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Reply #21 - Jul 8th, 2019 at 9:48pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 8th, 2019 at 9:46pm:
AT least 4 billion wasted on scammers.


You mean people sold back water entitlements to which they were not entitled? Prosecute them to the full extent of the law.
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Reply #22 - Jul 8th, 2019 at 9:57pm
 
lee wrote on Jul 8th, 2019 at 9:48pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 8th, 2019 at 9:46pm:
AT least 4 billion wasted on scammers.


You mean people sold back water entitlements to which they were not entitled? Prosecute them to the full extent of the law.


In other words 4 billion and nothing to show for it. May as well flushed it down the toilet. Seems to be a regular occurrence with you lot. Just look at the NBN debacle Sad
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Reply #23 - Jul 8th, 2019 at 10:46pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 8th, 2019 at 9:57pm:
lee wrote on Jul 8th, 2019 at 9:48pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 8th, 2019 at 9:46pm:
AT least 4 billion wasted on scammers.


You mean people sold back water entitlements to which they were not entitled? Prosecute them to the full extent of the law.


In other words 4 billion and nothing to show for it. May as well flushed it down the toilet. Seems to be a regular occurrence with you lot. Just look at the NBN debacle Sad

A simple solution: Robodebt the bastards.
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Reply #24 - Jul 8th, 2019 at 10:59pm
 
Bam wrote on Jul 8th, 2019 at 10:46pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 8th, 2019 at 9:57pm:
lee wrote on Jul 8th, 2019 at 9:48pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 8th, 2019 at 9:46pm:
AT least 4 billion wasted on scammers.


You mean people sold back water entitlements to which they were not entitled? Prosecute them to the full extent of the law.


In other words 4 billion and nothing to show for it. May as well flushed it down the toilet. Seems to be a regular occurrence with you lot. Just look at the NBN debacle Sad

A simple solution: Robodebt the bastards.



Hang those thieves.
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Reply #25 - Jul 8th, 2019 at 11:23pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 8th, 2019 at 9:57pm:
In other words 4 billion and nothing to show for it.


Isn't the Murray Darling Basin Authority an independent Statutory Agency?

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Reply #26 - Jul 8th, 2019 at 11:42pm
 
lee wrote on Jul 8th, 2019 at 11:23pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 8th, 2019 at 9:57pm:
In other words 4 billion and nothing to show for it.


Isn't the Murray Darling Basin Authority an independent Statutory Agency?



So what happened to the river in the end ? Sad
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Reply #27 - Jul 8th, 2019 at 11:52pm
 
Another 'business model' that has failed to produce the goods...

First the governments flogged the idea that public enterprise was inefficient, and that private enterprise was more efficient - and thus far the opposite has been the case, with massive cost rises, costs to the taxpayer, and escalating prices to the end user, as well as a rapidly rising opportunity for some to disappear income in tax breaks or to tax havens.

I want you to think about that last - when did a public enterprise ever offshore cash to a tax haven - before Howard and the Future Fund, of course...

So instead of a PUBLIC enterprise employing locals and paying taxes here - we have a plethora of private enterprises employing anyone they choose who may or may not end up paying tax here, and online management pays no tax here, and they buy nothing here except licences and a few meals  .... which would you prefer?

Then there is the calculated transfer of masses of public money - OUR money - into private hands - and mostly into the hands a a few 'big boys', with a few little fish copping a windfall during the boom (but not ever again after) generated by this massive flow of taxpayer cash.....

Clearly our 'government' remains intent on operating like some Third World Banana Republic dictatorship, in robbing the National Treasury to hand to its mates.... all we need is El Presidente and his brother as Treasurer, his nephew as Minister for Defence, his uncle as head of the security services, and so forth.... jeez, Howard/Costello even pulled an El Presidente type coup by creating the Future Fund that pays no tax, to fund their eternal retirement and upkeep... and none dare call it treason....

This has been going on now for decades under 'governments' of either 'side' of The Tag Team - the Government of Two Parties operating in an Orwellian nightmare for the powerless public.... and prospering mightily in many ways while they sink the ship of state.....

How did OUR water become a commodity in this way?  Simple - by the (ab)use of a 'business model' with zero business plan in reality and no checks and balances.... and totally beyond the control of and oversight by any responsible and independent government body..... and with only a few scientists and even insiders raising the alarm and destined for the gulag if they are not careful... watch this space for things to mysteriously happen to these people... one at a time so nobody will notice...

A little sexual harassment claim against the professor... a little 'oh, so sorry - calling in your bank loan' to the outspoken farmer.... a little insanity and dark hints of malfeasance and stolen documents undercurrent against the woman who worked for the water people and resigned...

And I kid you not.....
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Reply #28 - Jul 8th, 2019 at 11:58pm
 
... and all of this denies the simple reality of rising salinity due to irrigation, and the absolute devastation of the lower Murray ....

BTW - if water is not permitted to 'run off' it will not return to the water courses..... so building mega dams might help the farmer - it will destroy the basis of his livelihood, the river system, and will lead to reliance on floods to fill the dams...meanwhile the water retained in the few short feet underground will rise and bring salinity with it... and will not wash down to the river(s) and then the ocean...... the mouth of the Murray will remain closed and the salinity desert will grow...

This was hinted at in two separate segments of that program -the part that dealt with 'big dams - no rain' and the later bit about 'let's all build big dams' .... no rain - no water... no dams .... just waste lots of ground...
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Reply #29 - Jul 9th, 2019 at 6:16am
 
Oh - and we have the pundits who deplore the idea of developing an Inland Sea - one reason for deploring the concept is that it is hot out there and a heap will evaporate (that's the point - evaporation causes rain, especially with an opening to the sea constantly filling it) .. so what about the 40 deg heat at Hay etc?

No evaporation of that stored water across a huge area in a mega-dam?  Same with south west Queenslund?  How much of that mega-stored water simply vanishes into thin air?


I love a sunburnt country,
A land of flowing streams,
Where water runs and children play,
If only in our dreams.....
There's no movement on the Murray,
Which the mega-dams have drowned,
And the c*nts who own the licences,
Have left an empty ground,
Where cattle roam the reaches,
Searching for a drink,
And fields are lying fallow,
And the water-holes all stink...

Oh, I love my ripped-off country,
A land of empty plains,
Where easy post tax billions,
Are running down the drains,
Of some who hold the licences,
And some who dig the soil,
But only for the mega-rich,
And not some farmer's toil.
Where eco-balance holds the day,
As long as it's one way,
And every time a new scam comes,
The taxman pays its way....
We all loved this sunburnt country,
With fertile, watered soil,
And now it's slowly disappeared,
In blood and sweat and toil......

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