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Re: The Insanity Continues
Reply #45 - Jul 30^th, 2019 at 2:36pm

Panther wrote on Jul 30^th, 2019 at 2:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30^th, 2019 at 1:07pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 30^th, 2019 at 11:57am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30^th, 2019 at 11:29am:

School Shooter Dies in Car Crash, 21 Years After Opening Fire at Arkansas Middle School

"Drew Grant was 11 when he and a friend, Mitchell Johnson, fatally shot four students and a teacher at an Arkansas middle school in 1998. Last weekend, Grant, now 33, died in a car crash."

Why was he even in a car?

Spot

He was a free man.

He only served a very short sentence in prison juvenile detention (because he was tried as a juvenile, they could only keep him locked up until he was 21).

He was released in 2007.

"11-year-old Golden (boy in the pic) and 13-year-old Mitchell Johnson shocked the state of Arkansas and the U.S. when they became some of the nation’s youngest school shooters.

"They set off a fire alarm before gunning down five people in Westside Middle School in Jonesboro.

"They killed four young girls: Paige Herring, Stephanie Johnson, Brittney Varner and Natalie Brooks, and 32-year-old Shannon Wright, a teacher."

⦿ In America Murder is illegal.
⦿ Attempting to murder another human being is illegal.
⦿ A felon possessing, attempting to purchase, or in any way owning a firearm is presently illegal.
⦿ Shooting people indiscriminately is already illegal.
⦿ Using firearms in a criminal manner is already illegal.

Your unfortunate, sad as they are, examples of unusual & criminal behavior are again absolutely no reason why Americans should or could be expected to relinquish their Unalienable Right to Keep & Bear Arms, the guns they presently depend upon to defend themselves & their loved ones.

Americans use firearms anywhere from 500,000 to upwards of 4,000,000 times a year to defend themselves, their loved ones, their friends, & their property.

New, more restrictive laws will, as always, only affect honest people, the law-abiding American Citizens who chose to have firearms to defend their lives, or the lives of their loved ones & friends.........they are the only ones who are ever affected by gun laws, for we all know criminals will never be affected by those same laws, because criminals by nature never obey the law. The trade-off isn't worth it, & never will be.

So, as long as violent criminals exist, America will depend on guns to be used specifically for self-defense against violent crime, as well as other legal purposes.

The lawmakers can't defend good people by writing yet more ineffective new laws, & law enforcement can't be everywhere to enforce the law, new or existing, when precious moments count. Americans will always have the responsibility to remain their own first-responders when their life, the lives of their loved ones & their friends are in desperate danger.

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The NRA literally thinks that people should be able to have RPGs. Seriously?

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Re: The Insanity Continues
Reply #47 - Jul 30^th, 2019 at 2:50pm

Panther wrote on Jul 30^th, 2019 at 9:56am:

rhino wrote on Jul 30^th, 2019 at 9:29am:

Panther wrote on Jul 30^th, 2019 at 8:51am:

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God Bless
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God Bless the
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So you are saying no one can be trusted with a gun, I agree Panther. Guns dont kill people, people with guns kill people.

American Citizens do not have, nor do they need, government granted permission to keep & bear arms. They have an Unalienable Right to Keep & Bear Arms, affirmed & protected by the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution....The Law of the Land.....

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Yes, shocking isnt it? A society where any dribbling lunatic or idiot can and do buy firearms.

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Re: The Insanity Continues
Reply #48 - Jul 30^th, 2019 at 2:52pm

Panther wrote on Jul 30^th, 2019 at 2:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30^th, 2019 at 1:07pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 30^th, 2019 at 11:57am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30^th, 2019 at 11:29am:

School Shooter Dies in Car Crash, 21 Years After Opening Fire at Arkansas Middle School

"Drew Grant was 11 when he and a friend, Mitchell Johnson, fatally shot four students and a teacher at an Arkansas middle school in 1998. Last weekend, Grant, now 33, died in a car crash."

Why was he even in a car?

Spot

He was a free man.

He only served a very short sentence in prison juvenile detention (because he was tried as a juvenile, they could only keep him locked up until he was 21).

He was released in 2007.

"11-year-old Golden (boy in the pic) and 13-year-old Mitchell Johnson shocked the state of Arkansas and the U.S. when they became some of the nation’s youngest school shooters.

"They set off a fire alarm before gunning down five people in Westside Middle School in Jonesboro.

"They killed four young girls: Paige Herring, Stephanie Johnson, Brittney Varner and Natalie Brooks, and 32-year-old Shannon Wright, a teacher."

[size=14][font=Georgia]⦿ In America Murder is illegal.
⦿ Attempting to murder another human being is illegal.
⦿ A felon possessing, attempting to purchase, or in any way owning a firearm is presently illegal.
⦿ Shooting people indiscriminately is already illegal.
⦿ Using firearms in a criminal manner is already illegal.

[b]Your unfortunate, sad as they are, examples of unusual & criminal behavior ...

Unusual?

Did I read that right - unusual?

Mass shootings, school shootings, and children dying from gunshot wounds are not unusual in the US, Panther.

Far from it.

It's an everyday occurrence.

There have been 247 mass shootings in the US just this year.

That's right - in just seven months, 247 mass shootings (that's actually more than one per day on average).

And, so far this year, 2,111 children have been killed or injured by guns in the US.

Last year, there were 94 school shooting incidents in the US.

And you call it "unusual" - seriously?

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Re: The Insanity Continues
Reply #49 - Jul 30^th, 2019 at 2:55pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 30^th, 2019 at 2:36pm:

Panther wrote on Jul 30^th, 2019 at 2:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30^th, 2019 at 1:07pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 30^th, 2019 at 11:57am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30^th, 2019 at 11:29am:

School Shooter Dies in Car Crash, 21 Years After Opening Fire at Arkansas Middle School

"Drew Grant was 11 when he and a friend, Mitchell Johnson, fatally shot four students and a teacher at an Arkansas middle school in 1998. Last weekend, Grant, now 33, died in a car crash."

Why was he even in a car?

Spot

He was a free man.

He only served a very short sentence in prison juvenile detention (because he was tried as a juvenile, they could only keep him locked up until he was 21).

He was released in 2007.

"11-year-old Golden (boy in the pic) and 13-year-old Mitchell Johnson shocked the state of Arkansas and the U.S. when they became some of the nation’s youngest school shooters.

"They set off a fire alarm before gunning down five people in Westside Middle School in Jonesboro.

"They killed four young girls: Paige Herring, Stephanie Johnson, Brittney Varner and Natalie Brooks, and 32-year-old Shannon Wright, a teacher."

⦿ In America Murder is illegal.
⦿ Attempting to murder another human being is illegal.
⦿ A felon possessing, attempting to purchase, or in any way owning a firearm is presently illegal.
⦿ Shooting people indiscriminately is already illegal.
⦿ Using firearms in a criminal manner is already illegal.

Your unfortunate, sad as they are, examples of unusual & criminal behavior are again absolutely no reason why Americans should or could be expected to relinquish their Unalienable Right to Keep & Bear Arms, the guns they presently depend upon to defend themselves & their loved ones.

Americans use firearms anywhere from 500,000 to upwards of 4,000,000 times a year to defend themselves, their loved ones, their friends, & their property.

New, more restrictive laws will, as always, only affect honest people, the law-abiding American Citizens who chose to have firearms to defend their lives, or the lives of their loved ones & friends.........they are the only ones who are ever affected by gun laws, for we all know criminals will never be affected by those same laws, because criminals by nature never obey the law. The trade-off isn't worth it, & never will be.

So, as long as violent criminals exist, America will depend on guns to be used specifically for self-defense against violent crime, as well as other legal purposes.

The lawmakers can't defend good people by writing yet more ineffective new laws, & law enforcement can't be everywhere to enforce the law, new or existing, when precious moments count. Americans will always have the responsibility to remain their own first-responders when their life, the lives of their loved ones & their friends are in desperate danger.

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The NRA literally thinks that people should be able to have RPGs. Seriously?

I have no link to any such quote, but if you do...........

IMHO, as an American Citizen, I personally think it would be appropriate to have any weapons that a tyrannical government might use against the American People.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136337 Gender:	Re: The Insanity Continues Reply #50 - Jul 30^th, 2019 at 3:05pm Panther wrote on Jul 30^th, 2019 at 2:55pm: IMHO, as an American Citizen, I personally think it would be appropriate to have any weapons that a tyrannical government might use against the American People. The second word in my thread title doesn't look so out of place now, does it people?
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Re: The Insanity Continues
Reply #51 - Jul 30^th, 2019 at 3:14pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30^th, 2019 at 1:07pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 30^th, 2019 at 11:57am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30^th, 2019 at 11:29am:

School Shooter Dies in Car Crash, 21 Years After Opening Fire at Arkansas Middle School

"Drew Grant was 11 when he and a friend, Mitchell Johnson, fatally shot four students and a teacher at an Arkansas middle school in 1998. Last weekend, Grant, now 33, died in a car crash."

Why was he even in a car?

Spot

He was a free man.

He only served a very short sentence in prison juvenile detention (because he was tried as a juvenile, they could only keep him locked up until he was 21).

He was released in 2007.

"11-year-old Golden (boy in the pic) and 13-year-old Mitchell Johnson shocked the state of Arkansas and the U.S. when they became some of the nation’s youngest school shooters.

"They set off a fire alarm before gunning down five people in Westside Middle School in Jonesboro.

"They killed four young girls: Paige Herring, Stephanie Johnson, Brittney Varner and Natalie Brooks, and 32-year-old Shannon Wright, a teacher."

That really sounds a bit suss. Even a juvenile should get a bigger sentence than that for killing 4 ppl. Heck casual drug users get more than that.

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Re: The Insanity Continues
Reply #52 - Jul 30^th, 2019 at 3:20pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 30^th, 2019 at 3:14pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30^th, 2019 at 1:07pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 30^th, 2019 at 11:57am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30^th, 2019 at 11:29am:

School Shooter Dies in Car Crash, 21 Years After Opening Fire at Arkansas Middle School

"Drew Grant was 11 when he and a friend, Mitchell Johnson, fatally shot four students and a teacher at an Arkansas middle school in 1998. Last weekend, Grant, now 33, died in a car crash."

Why was he even in a car?

Spot

He was a free man.

He only served a very short sentence in prison juvenile detention (because he was tried as a juvenile, they could only keep him locked up until he was 21).

He was released in 2007.

"11-year-old Golden (boy in the pic) and 13-year-old Mitchell Johnson shocked the state of Arkansas and the U.S. when they became some of the nation’s youngest school shooters.

"They set off a fire alarm before gunning down five people in Westside Middle School in Jonesboro.

"They killed four young girls: Paige Herring, Stephanie Johnson, Brittney Varner and Natalie Brooks, and 32-year-old Shannon Wright, a teacher."

That really sounds a bit suss. Even a juvenile should get a bigger sentence than that for killing 4 ppl. Heck casual drug users get more than that.

Spot

The law in Arkansas only allowed the authorities to keep them locked up until the age of 21.

Crazy, but true.

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Re: The Insanity Continues
Reply #53 - Jul 30^th, 2019 at 3:44pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 30^th, 2019 at 3:14pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30^th, 2019 at 1:07pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 30^th, 2019 at 11:57am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30^th, 2019 at 11:29am:

School Shooter Dies in Car Crash, 21 Years After Opening Fire at Arkansas Middle School

"Drew Grant was 11 when he and a friend, Mitchell Johnson, fatally shot four students and a teacher at an Arkansas middle school in 1998. Last weekend, Grant, now 33, died in a car crash."

Why was he even in a car?

Spot

He was a free man.

He only served a very short sentence in prison juvenile detention (because he was tried as a juvenile, they could only keep him locked up until he was 21).

He was released in 2007.

"11-year-old Golden (boy in the pic) and 13-year-old Mitchell Johnson shocked the state of Arkansas and the U.S. when they became some of the nation’s youngest school shooters.

"They set off a fire alarm before gunning down five people in Westside Middle School in Jonesboro.

"They killed four young girls: Paige Herring, Stephanie Johnson, Brittney Varner and Natalie Brooks, and 32-year-old Shannon Wright, a teacher."

That really sounds a bit suss. Even a juvenile should get a bigger sentence than that for killing 4 ppl. Heck casual drug users get more than that.

Spot

Not in America.....at the age of 21 they decide whether they are fit to return to society (it says it was only 4 people), or to be remanded to an adult penitentiary for further punishment at hard labor.

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Re: The Insanity Continues
Reply #54 - Jul 30^th, 2019 at 3:51pm

Panther wrote on Jul 30^th, 2019 at 3:44pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 30^th, 2019 at 3:14pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30^th, 2019 at 1:07pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 30^th, 2019 at 11:57am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30^th, 2019 at 11:29am:

School Shooter Dies in Car Crash, 21 Years After Opening Fire at Arkansas Middle School

"Drew Grant was 11 when he and a friend, Mitchell Johnson, fatally shot four students and a teacher at an Arkansas middle school in 1998. Last weekend, Grant, now 33, died in a car crash."

Why was he even in a car?

Spot

He was a free man.

He only served a very short sentence in prison juvenile detention (because he was tried as a juvenile, they could only keep him locked up until he was 21).

He was released in 2007.

"11-year-old Golden (boy in the pic) and 13-year-old Mitchell Johnson shocked the state of Arkansas and the U.S. when they became some of the nation’s youngest school shooters.

"They set off a fire alarm before gunning down five people in Westside Middle School in Jonesboro.

"They killed four young girls: Paige Herring, Stephanie Johnson, Brittney Varner and Natalie Brooks, and 32-year-old Shannon Wright, a teacher."

That really sounds a bit suss. Even a juvenile should get a bigger sentence than that for killing 4 ppl. Heck casual drug users get more than that.

Spot

Not in America.....at the age of 21 they decide whether they are fit to return to society (it was only 4 people), or to be remanded to an adult penitentiary for further punishment at hard labor.

Again, I direct everyone's attention to the second word in my thread title.

"only 4 people" Roll Eyes

Americans love their guns more than life itself.

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Re: The Insanity Continues
Reply #55 - Jul 30^th, 2019 at 3:53pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 30^th, 2019 at 3:14pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30^th, 2019 at 1:07pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 30^th, 2019 at 11:57am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30^th, 2019 at 11:29am:

School Shooter Dies in Car Crash, 21 Years After Opening Fire at Arkansas Middle School

"Drew Grant was 11 when he and a friend, Mitchell Johnson, fatally shot four students and a teacher at an Arkansas middle school in 1998. Last weekend, Grant, now 33, died in a car crash."

Why was he even in a car?

Spot

He was a free man.

He only served a very short sentence in prison juvenile detention (because he was tried as a juvenile, they could only keep him locked up until he was 21).

He was released in 2007.

"11-year-old Golden (boy in the pic) and 13-year-old Mitchell Johnson shocked the state of Arkansas and the U.S. when they became some of the nation’s youngest school shooters.

"They set off a fire alarm before gunning down five people in Westside Middle School in Jonesboro.

"They killed four young girls: Paige Herring, Stephanie Johnson, Brittney Varner and Natalie Brooks, and 32-year-old Shannon Wright, a teacher."

That really sounds a bit suss. Even a juvenile should get a bigger sentence than that for killing 4 ppl. Heck casual drug users get more than that.

Spot

"In August 1998, both boys were sentenced to confinement until they reached the age of 21, which is the maximum sentence available under Arkansas law."

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Captain Caveman Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6211 Gender:	Re: The Insanity Continues Reply #56 - Jul 30^th, 2019 at 4:12pm So removing guns from all Americans will stop criminals getting their hands on them? How's that worked out here in Aus?
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136337 Gender:	Re: The Insanity Continues Reply #57 - Jul 30^th, 2019 at 4:15pm Captain Caveman wrote on Jul 30^th, 2019 at 4:12pm: So removing guns from all Americans will stop criminals getting their hands on them? Who said that, Captain? I'm curious.
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Re: The Insanity Continues
Reply #58 - Jul 30^th, 2019 at 5:26pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30^th, 2019 at 3:53pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 30^th, 2019 at 3:14pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30^th, 2019 at 1:07pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 30^th, 2019 at 11:57am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30^th, 2019 at 11:29am:

School Shooter Dies in Car Crash, 21 Years After Opening Fire at Arkansas Middle School

"Drew Grant was 11 when he and a friend, Mitchell Johnson, fatally shot four students and a teacher at an Arkansas middle school in 1998. Last weekend, Grant, now 33, died in a car crash."

Why was he even in a car?

Spot

He was a free man.

He only served a very short sentence in prison juvenile detention (because he was tried as a juvenile, they could only keep him locked up until he was 21).

He was released in 2007.

"11-year-old Golden (boy in the pic) and 13-year-old Mitchell Johnson shocked the state of Arkansas and the U.S. when they became some of the nation’s youngest school shooters.

"They set off a fire alarm before gunning down five people in Westside Middle School in Jonesboro.

"They killed four young girls: Paige Herring, Stephanie Johnson, Brittney Varner and Natalie Brooks, and 32-year-old Shannon Wright, a teacher."

That really sounds a bit suss. Even a juvenile should get a bigger sentence than that for killing 4 ppl. Heck casual drug users get more than that.

Spot

"In August 1998, both boys were sentenced to confinement until they reached the age of 21, which is the maximum sentence available under Arkansas law."

Wow so do whatever you like when you are 20.....

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Re: The Insanity Continues
Reply #59 - Jul 30^th, 2019 at 6:10pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30^th, 2019 at 3:51pm:

Panther wrote on Jul 30^th, 2019 at 3:44pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 30^th, 2019 at 3:14pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30^th, 2019 at 1:07pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 30^th, 2019 at 11:57am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 30^th, 2019 at 11:29am:

School Shooter Dies in Car Crash, 21 Years After Opening Fire at Arkansas Middle School

"Drew Grant was 11 when he and a friend, Mitchell Johnson, fatally shot four students and a teacher at an Arkansas middle school in 1998. Last weekend, Grant, now 33, died in a car crash."

Why was he even in a car?

Spot

He was a free man.

He only served a very short sentence in prison juvenile detention (because he was tried as a juvenile, they could only keep him locked up until he was 21).

He was released in 2007.

"11-year-old Golden (boy in the pic) and 13-year-old Mitchell Johnson shocked the state of Arkansas and the U.S. when they became some of the nation’s youngest school shooters.

"They set off a fire alarm before gunning down five people in Westside Middle School in Jonesboro.

"They killed four young girls: Paige Herring, Stephanie Johnson, Brittney Varner and Natalie Brooks, and 32-year-old Shannon Wright, a teacher."

That really sounds a bit suss. Even a juvenile should get a bigger sentence than that for killing 4 ppl. Heck casual drug users get more than that.

Spot

Not in America.....at the age of 21 they decide whether they are fit to return to society (it was only 4 people), or to be remanded to an adult penitentiary for further punishment at hard labor.

Again, I direct everyone's attention to the second word in my thread title.

"only 4 people" Roll Eyes

Americans love their guns more than life itself.

In the USA there are ±
60,000,000
pre-K thru year 12 school children attending 130,000 public & private schools across America each & every school day.

Over Half a Billion (500 Million) School Kids went to Pre-K thru 12 Grade - day in & day out...safely - their entire school experience - without being shot.

School Shootings:

From February 29, 2000 thru May 9, 2019

A Combined Total of
306
Adults & Students (including perpetrators) were shot & killed in
241
School Shooting Incidents in the USA during the 19 year period.

Please visit the
SOURCE LINK
for a description of all the incidents,
including who were shot, & who were the perpetrator(s) - including noted incident source links.

SOURCE:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States#2000s

The death of innocent children is both regrettable, & unfortunate, but no reason whatsoever for hundreds of millions of American Citizens to give up any Unalienable American Rights......especially The Second Amendment.....which recognizes, affirms, & protects the Fundamental & Natural Right of all American Citizens to defend themselves, their loved ones, & their friends with firearms, in the best manner available, & at their own discretion.

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