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Reply #45 - Aug 2nd, 2019 at 10:14am
 
Gweggy is still waffling on wrongly about legal immigrants coming by plane and passing the airport security check.

Gweggy are you on Newstart ?
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Reply #46 - Aug 2nd, 2019 at 10:19am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 2nd, 2019 at 10:05am:
juliar wrote on Jul 31st, 2019 at 10:02pm:
Just think how much worse things would be by now if Labor had gotten in and RESTARTED the BOATS and released about a 1000 Illegal Invaders into Australia all taking jobs from Australians.


The coalition have released more than 60,000 illegal immigrants into Australia, and they all came by plane.

How is 1,000 worse than 60,000?

I'm curious.


60,000 is more than 1,000 isn't it, juliar?

Year nine maths, innit?

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Reply #47 - Aug 2nd, 2019 at 10:20am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 2nd, 2019 at 10:19am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 2nd, 2019 at 10:05am:
juliar wrote on Jul 31st, 2019 at 10:02pm:
Just think how much worse things would be by now if Labor had gotten in and RESTARTED the BOATS and released about a 1000 Illegal Invaders into Australia all taking jobs from Australians.


The coalition have released more than 60,000 illegal immigrants into Australia, and they all came by plane.

How is 1,000 worse than 60,000?

I'm curious.


60,000 is more than 1,000 isn't it, juliar?

Year nine maths, innit?

juliar can't count past 10 with his fly closed.
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Reply #48 - Aug 2nd, 2019 at 10:22am
 
Bam wrote on Aug 2nd, 2019 at 10:20am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 2nd, 2019 at 10:19am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 2nd, 2019 at 10:05am:
juliar wrote on Jul 31st, 2019 at 10:02pm:
Just think how much worse things would be by now if Labor had gotten in and RESTARTED the BOATS and released about a 1000 Illegal Invaders into Australia all taking jobs from Australians.


The coalition have released more than 60,000 illegal immigrants into Australia, and they all came by plane.

How is 1,000 worse than 60,000?

I'm curious.


60,000 is more than 1,000 isn't it, juliar?

Year nine maths, innit?

juliar can't count past 10 with his fly closed.


And only up to 10¼ when it's open.

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Reply #49 - Aug 2nd, 2019 at 12:17pm
 
If politicians are saying $200,000+ is not enough to live on where should we set Newstart?
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Reply #50 - Aug 2nd, 2019 at 4:58pm
 
Poor Gweggy the OFF TOPIC SPAM VIRUS from WA's rusted out mind that has seen better days cannot distinguish between Labor's country shopping Illegal Invaders and the genuine migrants coming by air and having to pass airport security checks.

There is a big difference.

Now Gweggy will trot out some Labor slogans from 50 years ago.

Gweggy are you on Newstart ?

Newstart is only to help people transition from one job to another. It is NOT a total life sustenance program.
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Reply #51 - Aug 2nd, 2019 at 5:30pm
 
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Bitter and twisted Shorty is inspired by Newstart to have a new start with Albo in his sights.

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Reply #52 - Aug 2nd, 2019 at 5:59pm
 
A new start for Newstart.  Are they thinking of poor Gweggy ?




Newstart debate: Seniors groups push for increased ‘grey pay’ to combat job decline
Samantha Maiden 11:30pm, Jul 29, 2019 Updated: 11:40pm, Jul 29

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Seniors groups want to make up for the decreased employment chances. Photo: Getty

Seniors groups are urging the Morrison government to consider boosting the dole payments for mature-age workers to reflect the fact many over-55s have little chance of ever securing another job.

The “grey pay” plan to boost the $555-a-fortnight allowance was backed on Monday night by former Nationals Senator John ‘Wacka’ Williams, who said the dole should be paid on a sliding scale.

Mr Williams told The New Daily older unemployed workers deserved a better deal as the age of qualification for the pension increased to 66.

“As you get older, it’s harder to get another job,” Mr Williams said.

“It might be that you pay over-55s $320 a week and pay younger workers less. The taxpayers of this country don’t owe you a living. But by stepping it, you’re also helping the budget.”


But welfare groups cautioned that rent, food and utilities cost low-income people the same whether they are young or old.

Over-55s are now the largest single age cohort on Newstart, with mature-age workers now comprising the majority of the unemployed.

They are also more likely to stay on Newstart longer.


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https://thenewdaily.com.au/money/2019/07/29/newstart-seniors-pay/?utm_source=Ade...
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Reply #53 - Aug 2nd, 2019 at 6:05pm
 
The Shovel’s 7 Tips For Living On Newstart


There’s been a lot of talk about increasing the Newstart payment recently. But as the Government has pointed out, there’s really no need. While $40 a day might not sound like much, with these handy hints – compiled with the help of Coalition ministers – you can really make your budget stretch.

1. Get someone else to pay for your interstate travel

Incidental business class travel can really eat into your daily budget. So if things are tight, make sure the taxpayer is footing the bill for your work trips to Canberra or family holidays to the Kimberleys.

2. Self-manage your inheritance fund

If the Royal Commission has taught us anything, it’s that large financial organisations can’t be trusted with our money. By managing your inheritance fund yourself, you’ll save thousands in fees and charges. That’s extra money for everyday basics like electricity or a second-story extension.

3. Claim a living away from home allowance on your spouse’s property

Getting $270 to stay in your spouse’s house may not seem like much, but over time it can really add up. After ten years you’ll have close to a million dollars – not enough for that extra holiday house you had your eye on perhaps, but a great way to fund the wine cellar you’ve always wanted.

4. Shift your share portfolio offshore

It’s amazing how many people on Newstart still have their share funds and shelf companies based in Australia. Be smart and shift your assets to an offshore haven where your tax liability will be lower. With the extra funds, you might even have enough to take the kids to the movies or Disneyland. 

5. Get a driver

Running a car is often one of the most expensive items for cash-strapped households. So you’d be a dill not to use a taxpayer-funded Comcar instead. All that money you used to spend on registration, petrol, insurance and servicing can now go into putting food on the table at your favourite hatted restaurant. 

6. Look for cheap rent

Then avoid it. When you’re scraping by on $280 a week, it’s important to get the highest rents possible for your property portfolio. As a guide, a three-bedroom investment property in Potts Point should net at least $1800 a fortnight. Not complaining now are we?

7. Cut down on little luxuries

Do you really need that second coffee or bottle of ’98 Hill of Grace? By switching to a slightly younger vintage, you can save hundreds of dollars a week. It may not sound like much, but it could be the difference between a new swimming pool and a new swimming pool with in-built lights.


http://www.theshovel.com.au/2019/07/30/the-shovels-7-tips-for-living-on-newstart...
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Reply #54 - Aug 2nd, 2019 at 6:19pm
 
Watch out, Mothra.

When Greg posted something from The Shovel last week (complete with link as you've done) judging by the replies he received it looked like most of them believed it was fact and not satire. Smiley

Mind you, there is certainly more than a grain of truth to all that seeing as it is having a (well deserved) go at our politicians.
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Reply #55 - Aug 2nd, 2019 at 6:21pm
 
Carl D wrote on Aug 2nd, 2019 at 6:19pm:
When Greg posted something from The Shovel last week (complete with link as you've done) judging by the replies he received it looked like most of them believed it was fact and not satire. Smiley




That's the fun part ...  Wink
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Reply #56 - Aug 5th, 2019 at 9:30am
 
More OFF TOPIC SPAM from the OFF TOPIC SPAM VIRUS from WA - Gweggy.

But back to relevance.

Dole Bludging Lefties do not want to work as they believe in their ENTITLEMENTS as their Greeny teacher told them to.





Government program to send Newstart recipients to farms branded a complete failure
Cait Kelly 10:31pm, Aug 4, 2019 Updated: 10:27pm, Aug 4

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The $27.5 million Seasonal Work Incentives Trial stopped in July. Photo: AAP

A program to encourage Newstart recipients to fill the shortage of pickers and packers on Australian farms has been branded a failure by industry groups.

Australia’s farming industry has been plagued by a lack of workers –  particularly domestic ones – for years.

So it’s not surprising that as a discussion about Newstart and ‘dole bludger’ syndrome flares, some people start calling for recipients to get their hands dirty.

Last year it went all the way to the top, with Prime Minister Scott Morrison telling those on Newstart to pick fruit or lose their payments.

“While we’re tackling the labour shortage, this also ensures job seekers on taxpayer support have no excuse to refuse opportunities,” he said.

But for the past two years, a government program to plug the farming hole with people on Newstart has been quietly running in the background.

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The $27.5 million program stopped taking participants from July. Photo: AAP

The Seasonal Work Incentives Trial allowed people on Newstart to earn up to $5000 a year from farm work without it affecting their payments.

The program was designed to offer 7600 places in total.

However, it stopped taking participants last month, after only finding places for 478 people.

Those people, some of whom are still working on farms, represent just 6.29 per cent of the government’s initial goal.

Despite having funding for several thousand participants, government employment providers managed to only create 669 potential positions, in an industry plagued by an employment crisis.

More than 40 per cent of growers report not being able to recruit sufficient pickers, packers and graders at some point in the past five years, according to a national survey of vegetable growers conducted by the University of Adelaide earlier this year.

The program was demanded by Centre Alliance in exchange for the federal government’s controversial backpacker tax, and influential industry groups are now labelling it a complete failure.

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The program was meant to offer 7600 places. Photo: AAP

National Farmers Federation president Tony Mahar said the group was supportive of the initiative, but it just did not work.

“It wasn’t targeted at the right areas,” Mr Mahar said.

“It wasn’t enough of an incentive. We’ve got to have incentives. It was a good try but it didn’t solve any of the problems.”

While many on payments filled the available places, the Australian Unemployed Workers’ Union spokesman Jeremy Poxon said it was not as simple as allocating people to farms.

“Mainly poor workers, unemployed workers, people without resources to be able to leave [their] home, travelling out to these sites, especially, is not feasible,” he told The New Daily.

“If it’s contract work you know it’s not going to last very long anyway.”

People may not have all-weather gear, suitable shoes or the ability to leave their homes, he said.

“Without putting in support, you’re setting them up to fail – and not just people on Newstart but these rural communities too.”

The labour crisis
Now influential lobbying groups are calling on the government to create a dedicated agricultural visa to fix the growing labour crisis in the industry.

Mr Mahar said the industry relied on backpackers, as well as migrants from the Pacific Islands.

“While the backpacker visa is designed for cultural exchange, they’re coming here for a working holiday,” he said.

“Same with the seasonal workers, that’s almost an aid program. They work and take the money back to their country. It’s not designed to address the specific needs.”

The shortage is having disastrous effects on the industry, with many growers leaving fruit on the trees, or planting less, Mr Mahar said.

“It’s just like spraying fertiliser. If there wasn’t as much fertiliser, they wouldn’t spray as much. They’re not going to plant if they’re not going to harvest their crops,” he said.

Rampant exploitation
The industry is also grappling with a crisis around the treatment of migrant workers.

Joanna Howe, associate professor in law at the University of Adelaide who wrote a report on migrants within the horticulture sector earlier this year, said she spoke to people who were paid as little as $1 an hour during her research.

“We had almost universal stories of underpayment. The worst was $1 an hour, but between $3 to $5 an hour was normal.”

Not only are they underpaid, but the conditions are often horrible, she said.

Bit more here

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2019/08/04/newstart-farm-government-program/
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Reply #57 - Aug 5th, 2019 at 9:49am
 
mothra wrote on Aug 2nd, 2019 at 6:21pm:
Carl D wrote on Aug 2nd, 2019 at 6:19pm:
When Greg posted something from The Shovel last week (complete with link as you've done) judging by the replies he received it looked like most of them believed it was fact and not satire. Smiley




That's the fun part ...  Wink


It sure is   Smiley
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Reply #58 - Aug 5th, 2019 at 9:57am
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 31st, 2019 at 6:58am:
I'd like to see all the pollys forced to live on Newstart
for 2 months.


....they'd do it easily
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Reply #59 - Aug 5th, 2019 at 10:12am
 
juliar wrote on Aug 5th, 2019 at 9:30am:
More OFF TOPIC SPAM from the OFF TOPIC SPAM VIRUS from WA - Gweggy.


You know, I keep imagining an alternate universe where Labor won this year's Federal Election and their OzPolitic forum hasn't seen juliar since May 18th.

Like in our universe where we haven't seen '56 44' since the election.

We were born in the wrong universe, obviously.  Sad
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