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Reply #15 - Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 4:14pm

Bam wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 3:50pm:

crocodile wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 1:26pm:

stunspore wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 12:11pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 8:59am:

juliar wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2019 at 4:54pm:

Gosh not ANOTHER one of these futile wage thingies.

well it is a fairly serious problem for the majority of Australians.

Coalition got what it wanted - lower wages.

You're a goose if you believe anybody supports poor wages growth.

Employers do. Poor wages growth doesn't just happen. It's caused by employers deciding not to pay them.

Right, it doesn't just happen. It happens when productivity happens. If a unit of work input produces the same output as it did yesterday the reward will be the same as yesterday. It isn't rocket science.

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Reply #16 - Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 4:17pm

The real problem is there are no growth drivers in Australia.

The economy has been trapped in the housing industry bubble which has drawn in workers from other industries.

Australia has a poor record in budget and schedule for major resource projects and this has led to more intense scrutiny before project commencement. Chevron published that they could build the equivalent of the Wheatstone project in the USA for 30% less than it costs in Australia.

If China reduces its demand for resources and energy as a consequence of US tariffs there will be more downward pressure on the Australian economy.

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Re: Stagnant wages: Please sir, can I have some more?
Reply #17 - Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 5:43pm

crocodile wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 4:14pm:

Bam wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 3:50pm:

crocodile wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 1:26pm:

stunspore wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 12:11pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 8:59am:

juliar wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2019 at 4:54pm:

Gosh not ANOTHER one of these futile wage thingies.

well it is a fairly serious problem for the majority of Australians.

Coalition got what it wanted - lower wages.

You're a goose if you believe anybody supports poor wages growth.

Employers do. Poor wages growth doesn't just happen. It's caused by employers deciding not to pay them.

Right, it doesn't just happen. It happens when productivity happens. If a unit of work input produces the same output as it did yesterday the reward will be the same as yesterday. It isn't rocket science.

That would only be true in all instances if inflation didn't exist.

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Re: Stagnant wages: Please sir, can I have some more?
Reply #18 - Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 5:51pm

Bam wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 5:43pm:

crocodile wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 4:14pm:

Bam wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 3:50pm:

crocodile wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 1:26pm:

stunspore wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 12:11pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 8:59am:

juliar wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2019 at 4:54pm:

Gosh not ANOTHER one of these futile wage thingies.

well it is a fairly serious problem for the majority of Australians.

Coalition got what it wanted - lower wages.

You're a goose if you believe anybody supports poor wages growth.

Employers do. Poor wages growth doesn't just happen. It's caused by employers deciding not to pay them.

Right, it doesn't just happen. It happens when productivity happens. If a unit of work input produces the same output as it did yesterday the reward will be the same as yesterday. It isn't rocket science.

That would only be true in all instances if inflation didn't exist.

Always use real terms. Nominals are not useful in this instance and you know that.

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Re: Stagnant wages: Please sir, can I have some more?
Reply #19 - Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 6:36pm

crocodile wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 4:14pm:

Bam wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 3:50pm:

crocodile wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 1:26pm:

stunspore wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 12:11pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 8:59am:

juliar wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2019 at 4:54pm:

Gosh not ANOTHER one of these futile wage thingies.

well it is a fairly serious problem for the majority of Australians.

Coalition got what it wanted - lower wages.

You're a goose if you believe anybody supports poor wages growth.

Employers do. Poor wages growth doesn't just happen. It's caused by employers deciding not to pay them.

Right, it doesn't just happen. It happens when productivity happens. If a unit of work input produces the same output as it did yesterday the reward will be the same as yesterday. It isn't rocket science.

If employers can get away with not paying more productivity does not make a bugger of difference and that has been the primary driver of low wage growth for well over a decade.

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Re: Stagnant wages: Please sir, can I have some more?
Reply #20 - Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 6:38pm

Dnarever wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 6:36pm:

crocodile wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 4:14pm:

Bam wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 3:50pm:

crocodile wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 1:26pm:

stunspore wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 12:11pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 8:59am:

juliar wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2019 at 4:54pm:

Gosh not ANOTHER one of these futile wage thingies.

well it is a fairly serious problem for the majority of Australians.

Coalition got what it wanted - lower wages.

You're a goose if you believe anybody supports poor wages growth.

Employers do. Poor wages growth doesn't just happen. It's caused by employers deciding not to pay them.

Right, it doesn't just happen. It happens when productivity happens. If a unit of work input produces the same output as it did yesterday the reward will be the same as yesterday. It isn't rocket science.

If employers can get away with not paying more productivity does not make a bugger of difference and that has been the primary driver of low wage growth for well over a decade.

What are you waffling on about.

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Re: Stagnant wages: Please sir, can I have some more?
Reply #21 - Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 6:39pm

crocodile wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 1:26pm:

stunspore wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 12:11pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 8:59am:

juliar wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2019 at 4:54pm:

Gosh not ANOTHER one of these futile wage thingies.

well it is a fairly serious problem for the majority of Australians.

Coalition got what it wanted - lower wages.

You're a goose if you believe anybody supports poor wages growth.

Then why have the coalition argued against wage increases at every wage hearing in any of our lifetimes ?

The facts disagree with your opinion.

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Re: Stagnant wages: Please sir, can I have some more?
Reply #22 - Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 6:46pm

crocodile wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 6:38pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 6:36pm:

crocodile wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 4:14pm:

Bam wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 3:50pm:

crocodile wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 1:26pm:

stunspore wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 12:11pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 8:59am:

juliar wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2019 at 4:54pm:

Gosh not ANOTHER one of these futile wage thingies.

well it is a fairly serious problem for the majority of Australians.

Coalition got what it wanted - lower wages.

You're a goose if you believe anybody supports poor wages growth.

Employers do. Poor wages growth doesn't just happen. It's caused by employers deciding not to pay them.

Right, it doesn't just happen. It happens when productivity happens. If a unit of work input produces the same output as it did yesterday the reward will be the same as yesterday. It isn't rocket science.

If employers can get away with not paying more productivity does not make a bugger of difference and that has been the primary driver of low wage growth for well over a decade.

What are you waffling on about.

I am pointing out that high school economic text books do not necessarily outweigh the real world drivers to these outcomes. The power balance in the workplace has been a bigger determinant of wage results over a long period of time.

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Reply #23 - Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 7:47pm

Dnarever wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 6:39pm:

crocodile wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 1:26pm:

stunspore wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 12:11pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 8:59am:

juliar wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2019 at 4:54pm:

Gosh not ANOTHER one of these futile wage thingies.

well it is a fairly serious problem for the majority of Australians.

Coalition got what it wanted - lower wages.

You're a goose if you believe anybody supports poor wages growth.

Then why have the coalition argued against wage increases at every wage hearing in any of our lifetimes ?

The facts disagree with your opinion.

When is the government consulted on wage hearings. You always just make up crap.

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Very funny Scotty, now beam down my clothes.

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Re: Stagnant wages: Please sir, can I have some more?
Reply #24 - Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 7:49pm

Dnarever wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 6:46pm:

crocodile wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 6:38pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 6:36pm:

crocodile wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 4:14pm:

Bam wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 3:50pm:

crocodile wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 1:26pm:

stunspore wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 12:11pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 8:59am:

juliar wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2019 at 4:54pm:

Gosh not ANOTHER one of these futile wage thingies.

well it is a fairly serious problem for the majority of Australians.

Coalition got what it wanted - lower wages.

You're a goose if you believe anybody supports poor wages growth.

Employers do. Poor wages growth doesn't just happen. It's caused by employers deciding not to pay them.

Right, it doesn't just happen. It happens when productivity happens. If a unit of work input produces the same output as it did yesterday the reward will be the same as yesterday. It isn't rocket science.

If employers can get away with not paying more productivity does not make a bugger of difference and that has been the primary driver of low wage growth for well over a decade.

What are you waffling on about.

I am pointing out that high school economic text books do not necessarily outweigh the real world drivers to these outcomes. The power balance in the workplace has been a bigger determinant of wage results over a long period of time.

What a load of horseshit. you simply wouldn't know. If productivity goes down there is no way wages will rise no matter what. Your power balance argument may hold water if productivity was rising but that hasn't been the case for almost two decades. Join the queue with your porridge bowl.

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Re: Stagnant wages: Please sir, can I have some more?
Reply #25 - Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 8:28pm

crocodile wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 7:47pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 6:39pm:

crocodile wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 1:26pm:

stunspore wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 12:11pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 8:59am:

juliar wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2019 at 4:54pm:

Gosh not ANOTHER one of these futile wage thingies.

well it is a fairly serious problem for the majority of Australians.

Coalition got what it wanted - lower wages.

You're a goose if you believe anybody supports poor wages growth.

Then why have the coalition argued against wage increases at every wage hearing in any of our lifetimes ?

The facts disagree with your opinion.

When is the government consulted on wage hearings. You always just make up crap.

Who said government were consulted ? Shows that you don't know what you are talking about if you don't understand the mechanism.

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Reply #26 - Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 10:55pm

Dnarever wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 6:36pm:

crocodile wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 4:14pm:

Bam wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 3:50pm:

crocodile wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 1:26pm:

stunspore wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 12:11pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 8:59am:

juliar wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2019 at 4:54pm:

Gosh not ANOTHER one of these futile wage thingies.

well it is a fairly serious problem for the majority of Australians.

Coalition got what it wanted - lower wages.

You're a goose if you believe anybody supports poor wages growth.

Employers do. Poor wages growth doesn't just happen. It's caused by employers deciding not to pay them.

Right, it doesn't just happen. It happens when productivity happens. If a unit of work input produces the same output as it did yesterday the reward will be the same as yesterday. It isn't rocket science.

If employers can get away with not paying more productivity does not make a bugger of difference and that has been the primary driver of low wage growth for well over a decade.

The anti-workers laws that have been in place for over a decade are definitely contributing.

The next Federal Labor government should have a massive bonfire of anti-worker laws and regulations to get wages and the economy moving again.

Anti-strike laws. Gone.
Free trade agreements that allow foreign countries to send workers here with no reciprocal work arrangements. Tear them up.
Constraints imposed on the RBA to force them to keep unemployment from falling much below 5%. Get rid of them.
A huge amount of anti-worker red tape has accumulated in the past 40 years and it all needs to go.

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Reply #27 - Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 11:35pm

Dnarever wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 8:28pm:

crocodile wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 7:47pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 6:39pm:

crocodile wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 1:26pm:

stunspore wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 12:11pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 8:59am:

juliar wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2019 at 4:54pm:

Gosh not ANOTHER one of these futile wage thingies.

well it is a fairly serious problem for the majority of Australians.

Coalition got what it wanted - lower wages.

You're a goose if you believe anybody supports poor wages growth.

Then why have the coalition argued against wage increases at every wage hearing in any of our lifetimes ?

The facts disagree with your opinion.

When is the government consulted on wage hearings. You always just make up crap.

Who said government were consulted ? Shows that you don't know what you are talking about if you don't understand the mechanism.

Then why have the coalition argued against wage increases at every wage hearing in any of our lifetimes ?

The facts disagree with your opinion.

Your words.

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Reply #28 - Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 11:54pm

crocodile wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 11:35pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 8:28pm:

crocodile wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 7:47pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 6:39pm:

crocodile wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 1:26pm:

stunspore wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 12:11pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 8:59am:

juliar wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2019 at 4:54pm:

Gosh not ANOTHER one of these futile wage thingies.

well it is a fairly serious problem for the majority of Australians.

Coalition got what it wanted - lower wages.

You're a goose if you believe anybody supports poor wages growth.

Then why have the coalition argued against wage increases at every wage hearing in any of our lifetimes ?

The facts disagree with your opinion.

When is the government consulted on wage hearings. You always just make up crap.

Who said government were consulted ? Shows that you don't know what you are talking about if you don't understand the mechanism.

Then why have the coalition argued against wage increases at every wage hearing in any of our lifetimes ?

The facts disagree with your opinion.

Your words.

Hi croc,

The Coalition have routinely argued against increases to the minimum wage in its submissions to the FWC. Making a submission isn't the same as being actively consulted. (So far as we know, anyway, who knows what happens behind the scenes?)

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Reply #29 - Aug 4^th, 2019 at 12:26am

Bam wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 11:54pm:

crocodile wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 11:35pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 8:28pm:

crocodile wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 7:47pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 6:39pm:

crocodile wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 1:26pm:

stunspore wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 12:11pm:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2019 at 8:59am:

juliar wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2019 at 4:54pm:

Gosh not ANOTHER one of these futile wage thingies.

well it is a fairly serious problem for the majority of Australians.

Coalition got what it wanted - lower wages.

You're a goose if you believe anybody supports poor wages growth.

Then why have the coalition argued against wage increases at every wage hearing in any of our lifetimes ?

The facts disagree with your opinion.

When is the government consulted on wage hearings. You always just make up crap.

Who said government were consulted ? Shows that you don't know what you are talking about if you don't understand the mechanism.

Then why have the coalition argued against wage increases at every wage hearing in any of our lifetimes ?

The facts disagree with your opinion.

Your words.

Hi croc,

The Coalition have routinely argued against increases to the minimum wage in its submissions to the FWC. Making a submission isn't the same as being actively consulted. (So far as we know, anyway, who knows what happens behind the scenes?)

Mr DNA didn't mention minimum wages. He just indicated wages. I've never heard of any government of any stripe advocating diminution of real wages. That's just horseshit. They have argued against minimum wage increases but that's all. Raising minimum wages is only helpful to skilled workers anyway. It is pretty useless for those without skills.

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Very funny Scotty, now beam down my clothes.

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