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Reply #30 - Aug 4th, 2019 at 6:36pm
 
HOW I KICKED THE CASHLESS CARD
Kalgoorlie Miner
Sunday, 7 April 2019

Sarah Betts has cut up the Indue cashless debit card she received, but never activated, after finally receiving a letter that she is exempt from it.

After sticking to her guns for five months and only receiving 20 per cent of her entitled welfare payment, Sarah Betts is finally living a life free of the cashless debit card.

In November, the mother-of-two separated from her husband and found herself needing financial assistance to get her through a rough patch.

As the owner of a face painting and plaster craft business, she had a small amount of her own money, but reached out for welfare to fill the gaps.

Diagnosed with depression, anxiety and psoriatic arthritis many years ago, and having just gained her independence, Ms Betts said the idea of being forced onto a “financially abusive” card amplified her anxiety.   Sad

She described feeling violated by the fact her private information had been given to a third party without her consent.

“When I got the letter saying I was being put on the card I felt like someone had taken the only thing I had earned — my independence — off me,” she said.

“All this card has done is create shame, fear and degradation.”

So she refused to activate the card and began searching for ways to obtain an exemption.

On Tuesday, after being told five days earlier her exemption was refused because she had not activated the card, she was finally granted it.

The card quarantines 80 per cent of a person’s welfare payments to prevent the money being spent on alcohol or gambling.

The next night, the Goldfields cashless card trial was extended to June 30 next year when the Senate passed the enabling legislation, and an amendment was added to allow people to get off the card in certain circumstances.

Ms Betts said she hoped her story would remind people they were not helpless against the system.

“The absence of choice does not negate consent in law,” she said.

“People are being forced onto this card unwillingly and they have the right to question it, they have a choice to say it is not right and fight to change the system.”

While she remains against the card, Ms Betts said she was glad the amendment had been introduced, but warned of a long and painful fight.

“Getting the exemption for me was convoluted and horrific,” she said.

“It required repeating over and over again what I suffer from and everything that I had been through and why the card would hurt my wellbeing.”

She said she felt she was being treated as though she were a criminal or drug addict who could not be trusted with her own money.   Sad

“Instead of being told, ‘OK we will help you through this’, I was met with disgust and control ... and was given a card that identified me as someone on welfare, which just makes you a target for abuse,” she said.   Sad

“I just needed a hand and I didn’t understand why they were making my life harder and making it even more difficult for me to sort my finances through the break-up.”

While the card itself was an issue, Ms Betts said the mentality of society towards people on welfare also needed to change.

She said there was a strong misconception that welfare recipients were all “dole-budging drug addicts and alcoholics”, and she had had enough of being shamed.

“I don’t want to be on welfare but I have no choice, I am a victim of circumstance. My marriage failed and I had nowhere else to go but Centrelink because I work on a seasonal income with a small one under school age,” she said.

“People have forgotten that welfare is there for people who just need a helping hand. Not everyone is a criminal or drug addict and we shouldn’t be made to feel that way.

“Yes some people have those problems, but you can’t punish the many for the needs of the few.

“And those who have that mentality really need to understand that all it could take is one wrong move, and you could end up in a situation where you need that helping hand as well.”
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Reply #31 - Aug 4th, 2019 at 6:57pm
 
whiteknight wrote on Aug 4th, 2019 at 6:36pm:
HOW I KICKED THE CASHLESS CARD
Kalgoorlie Miner
Sunday, 7 April 2019

Sarah Betts has cut up the Indue cashless debit card she received, but never activated, after finally receiving a letter that she is exempt from it.

After sticking to her guns for five months and only receiving 20 per cent of her entitled welfare payment, Sarah Betts is finally living a life free of the cashless debit card.

In November, the mother-of-two separated from her husband and found herself needing financial assistance to get her through a rough patch.

As the owner of a face painting and plaster craft business, she had a small amount of her own money, but reached out for welfare to fill the gaps.

Diagnosed with depression, anxiety and psoriatic arthritis many years ago, and having just gained her independence, Ms Betts said the idea of being forced onto a “financially abusive” card amplified her anxiety.   Sad

She described feeling violated by the fact her private information had been given to a third party without her consent.

“When I got the letter saying I was being put on the card I felt like someone had taken the only thing I had earned — my independence — off me,” she said.

“All this card has done is create shame, fear and degradation.”

So she refused to activate the card and began searching for ways to obtain an exemption.

On Tuesday, after being told five days earlier her exemption was refused because she had not activated the card, she was finally granted it.

The card quarantines 80 per cent of a person’s welfare payments to prevent the money being spent on alcohol or gambling.

The next night, the Goldfields cashless card trial was extended to June 30 next year when the Senate passed the enabling legislation, and an amendment was added to allow people to get off the card in certain circumstances.

Ms Betts said she hoped her story would remind people they were not helpless against the system.

“The absence of choice does not negate consent in law,” she said.

“People are being forced onto this card unwillingly and they have the right to question it, they have a choice to say it is not right and fight to change the system.”

While she remains against the card, Ms Betts said she was glad the amendment had been introduced, but warned of a long and painful fight.

“Getting the exemption for me was convoluted and horrific,” she said.

“It required repeating over and over again what I suffer from and everything that I had been through and why the card would hurt my wellbeing.”

She said she felt she was being treated as though she were a criminal or drug addict who could not be trusted with her own money.   Sad

“Instead of being told, ‘OK we will help you through this’, I was met with disgust and control ... and was given a card that identified me as someone on welfare, which just makes you a target for abuse,” she said.   Sad

“I just needed a hand and I didn’t understand why they were making my life harder and making it even more difficult for me to sort my finances through the break-up.”

While the card itself was an issue, Ms Betts said the mentality of society towards people on welfare also needed to change.

She said there was a strong misconception that welfare recipients were all “dole-budging drug addicts and alcoholics”, and she had had enough of being shamed.

“I don’t want to be on welfare but I have no choice, I am a victim of circumstance. My marriage failed and I had nowhere else to go but Centrelink because I work on a seasonal income with a small one under school age,” she said.

“People have forgotten that welfare is there for people who just need a helping hand. Not everyone is a criminal or drug addict and we shouldn’t be made to feel that way.

“Yes some people have those problems, but you can’t punish the many for the needs of the few.

“And those who have that mentality really need to understand that all it could take is one wrong move, and you could end up in a situation where you need that helping hand as well.”

Its not just a few, its mobs of them where they congregate or it wouldn't have been tried.

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Reply #32 - Aug 4th, 2019 at 8:59pm
 
lee wrote on Aug 4th, 2019 at 1:15pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 4th, 2019 at 1:12pm:
I have a job. Managing my assets.



leave 'em alone you'll go blind. So they tell me.


You can't see? Evidently, you are a disciple of Three-fingers Haji Gordon.
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Reply #33 - Aug 4th, 2019 at 9:17pm
 
cods wrote on Aug 4th, 2019 at 12:07pm:
because I am legally retired ..mong.....

there is a difference... why havent you got a job?


You don't deny getting two pensions?
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Reply #34 - Aug 4th, 2019 at 11:18pm
 
Johnnie wrote on Aug 4th, 2019 at 6:11pm:
Last I heard the Ceduna mayor said it was working a treat, kids were attending school and even bringing fruit, many other benefits as well.

Ah. Cherrypicked anecdotes. The only "evidence" that's been offered in support of this rubbish idea.

Here's a better idea. Abolish involuntary unemployment and get the unemployment rate down to 1% where it should be - not the chronic very high levels we have now.
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Reply #35 - Aug 4th, 2019 at 11:40pm
 
Bam wrote on Aug 4th, 2019 at 11:18pm:
Johnnie wrote on Aug 4th, 2019 at 6:11pm:
Last I heard the Ceduna mayor said it was working a treat, kids were attending school and even bringing fruit, many other benefits as well.

Ah. Cherrypicked anecdotes. The only "evidence" that's been offered in support of this rubbish idea.

Here's a better idea. Abolish involuntary unemployment and get the unemployment rate down to 1% where it should be - not the chronic very high levels we have now.

There is not enough employment for the hundreds of abbos that live congregate and drink around Ceduna, and the other places where the card was introduced, its bad luck for those that don't deserve this but how can you do it any other way, the many have destroyed it for the few.
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Reply #36 - Aug 5th, 2019 at 7:55am
 
Most Lefties "retired" years ago on Centrelink.

But UBER is beckoning and will even hire out cars.
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Reply #37 - Aug 5th, 2019 at 5:10pm
 
Johnnie wrote on Aug 4th, 2019 at 11:40pm:
the many have destroyed it for the few.

That sums up the rampant bullying of the unemployed by the broader community.
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Reply #38 - Aug 5th, 2019 at 5:21pm
 
Gee Bammy really has a thing about these anti grog and drugs cards.
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Reply #39 - Aug 5th, 2019 at 5:30pm
 
Bam wrote on Aug 5th, 2019 at 5:10pm:
Johnnie wrote on Aug 4th, 2019 at 11:40pm:
the many have destroyed it for the few.

That sums up the rampant bullying of the unemployed by the broader community.

You probably need to go and see the destruction for yourself in the places where this card has been introduced and see what solution you could come up with.
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Reply #40 - Aug 5th, 2019 at 5:36pm
 
What do you mean - grog and drug withdrawal symptoms ?  Increased crime to steal cash for grog and drugs ?

What about petrol sniffing ? Blows the brain out after a while.
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Reply #41 - Aug 5th, 2019 at 5:39pm
 
Johnnie wrote on Aug 5th, 2019 at 5:30pm:
Bam wrote on Aug 5th, 2019 at 5:10pm:
Johnnie wrote on Aug 4th, 2019 at 11:40pm:
the many have destroyed it for the few.

That sums up the rampant bullying of the unemployed by the broader community.

You probably need to go and see the destruction for yourself in the places where this card has been introduced and see what solution you could come up with.

Abolish involuntary unemployment and introduce a Job Guarantee.

Unemployment doesn't just happen. It is by the government's CHOICE. If it wanted, the Federal government could choose to reinstate real full employment with unemployment maintained at or below 1.5%. This was the case in Australia from around 1947 to 1972. The good old days, when allowing unemployment to reach as high as 2.0% caused governments a lot of pain at election time.
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Reply #42 - Aug 5th, 2019 at 5:40pm
 
Welfare should only be given as a cashless card
To be spent only on food, accommodation, transport to job interviews and clothing.

If you want to go on holidays, or smoke or drink grog and generally waste my hard earned taxes, you will have to get a damn job.

I'm sick to DEATH of paying for lazy bludgers to live a life of luxury while I work to pay for them.

There should be a time limit as well
12 months and your out.....the first time
6 months the second time
3 months the third time
And if you can't hold down a job, put them in the army.
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Reply #43 - Aug 5th, 2019 at 5:45pm
 
Now the cat is out of the bag as it is Labor + Greeny policy.



Labor Urged to Fully Abolish Cashless Welfare Card
Luke Michael Wednesday, 23rd January 2019 at 4:19 pm

Labor’s pledge to roll back the cashless welfare card has been welcomed by community groups, who are urging the opposition to go further by committing to abolish all forms of cashless welfare.

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Opposition leader Bill Shorten said on Monday an elected Labor government intended to halt the cashless welfare card trial set to commence in Queensland’s Hervey Bay-Bundaberg region later this month.


Shadow social services minister Linda Burney told Pro Bono News that Labor remained opposed to the trial’s 2018 expansion into the Goldfields region of WA and would also work to roll back the card there.

“It’s difficult to unscramble an egg, but we will work with local communities in Bundaberg and the Goldfields on the best way forward,” Burney said.

“Labor does not support the expansion of the cashless [welfare] card unless a community wants it and there is proper consultation and informed community consent.”

But Burney confirmed Labor supported the card’s continuation in the original trial sites of Ceduna and East Kimberley to see if the scheme could work.

The cashless welfare card – which locks 80 per cent of welfare payments onto a debit card and cannot be used to withdraw cash or be spent on alcohol or gambling – has been trialled in East Kimberley and Ceduna since 2016, and the Goldfields region since March last year.

In December 2018, the trial was extended across existing sites until 30 June 2020.

Community groups welcomed Labor’s pledge on Twitter, but urged the opposition to go further by getting rid of the card nationally.


@ACOSS 11:27 AM - Jan 22, 2019
We welcome Labor’s commitment to end the cashless debit card in Bundaberg. The card is punitive, discriminatory and ineffective. The next step is for the Parliament to abolish the cashless debit card nationally. #auspol

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Resources used to implement the cashless welfare card could be better spent on improving the adequacy of income support payments, investing in education and job creation, and funding appropriate and effective services for struggling individuals and families. https://twitter.com/ACOSS/status/1087522051982647296 …

@ACOSS 1:22 PM - Jan 22, 2019
We welcome Labor’s commitment to end the cashless debit card in Bundaberg. The card is punitive, discriminatory and ineffective. The next step is for the Parliament to abolish the cashless debit card nationally.



Nijole Naujokas from Anti-Poverty Network SA told Pro Bono News she wanted a commitment from Labor to abolish all forms of cashless welfare.

“Cashless welfare is not a panacea for social problems. The way it has been rolled out across communities has been outrageous,” Naujokas said.

“The recent outage in Kalgoorlie is proof that this is not a reliable form of money for people. People need access to cash and we believe welfare recipients have a right to control their own money…This is actually a dangerous form of financial control.”

Naujokas said all the card did was punish people who were poor.

“The government needs to invest in things that actually make a difference, like job creation, addiction services or mental health,” she said.

“This card does not create jobs. It doesn’t get rid of addiction issues. To say the card will fix these things is just wrong.”



@JeremyPoxon 10:07 AM - Jan 22, 2019
that's great, @billshortenmp, but how about also rolling it back in Kalgoorlie, Ceduna, Kununurra & Wyndham? The Cashless Debit Card continues to devastate these remote, Indigenous communities


Social Services Minister Paul Fletcher said Labor’s announcement risked sentencing thousands of vulnerable Australians to a life of welfare dependence.

He said it was part of Labor’s broader agenda to wind back mutual obligation.

“It is clear that Labor does not believe in mutual obligation. They don’t believe in asking people to have a go to get a go,” Fletcher said.

“Under our government, mutual obligation and job creation have delivered the lowest proportion of working-age Australians on welfare in 30 years.

“The cashless [welfare] card is one of the most positive developments we have seen in the welfare field for decades – and it is making a real difference in the lives of thousands of Australians.”

Fletcher noted that an independent report from September 2017 concluded the card had reduced alcohol consumption, drug use and gambling in the trial communities of Kununurra and Ceduna.

But an auditor-general report from July 2018 said the government’s approach to monitoring and evaluating the trial was inadequate, and argued the 2017 independent report did not use all relevant data available to measure the trial’s impact.   

https://probonoaustralia.com.au/news/2019/01/labor-urged-fully-abolish-cashless-...
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Reply #44 - Aug 5th, 2019 at 5:55pm
 
The Greenies are trying to win over the Aboriginies for their Black Power Movement by saying let them drink and use drugs.




Greens blast decision to extend cashless welfare card to all in NT. Coalition move could lift the proportion of recipients’ welfare that is quarantined from 50% to 80%.
Paul Karp Mon 25 Mar 2019 17.43 AEDT Last modified on Mon 25 Mar 2019 18.30 AEDT

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The federal government wants to move every person on income management in the Northern Territory onto the cashless welfare card. Photograph: Melissa Davey/The Guardian

The Greens have blasted the Coalition’s decision to extend the cashless welfare card to every person on income management in the Northern Territory, potentially lifting the proportion of recipients’ welfare that will be quarantined.

On Monday the family and social services minister, Paul Fletcher, announced that from January 2020 nearly 22,500 people on income management will move from the BasicsCard to the cashless debit card.

The BasicsCard quarantines 50% of recipients’ welfare for use at selected stores, compared with 80% for people on the cashless debit card.

The government has said existing participants will stay with only half their welfare quarantined “unless the community requests a higher percentage through consultations” but the Greens believe this opens the door to imposing harsher limits on the whole community.

The Greens family and community services spokeswoman, Rachel Siewert, said the plan was “very dubious” because the government has a track record of “going to chosen community leaders” to justify a community-wide rollout despite opposition and differences of opinion.

“That’s my concern, it’s a step towards them lifting the proportion quarantined,” Siewert told Guardian Australia. “And new people will possibly go [onto the cashless card] at the higher level.”

The government argues the cards lead to a reduction in violence and harm related to alcohol consumption, illegal drug use and gambling but critics say they cause stigma and make it harder for people on low incomes to buy second-hand goods and services in the cash economy

A total of $129m will be spent on changes to the cashless debit card, which include the ability for recipients to earn interest and new technology to automatically decline transactions if the purchase includes restricted items such as alcohol or gambling products.

The changes require legislation, and are therefore unlikely to occur before the election and could be blocked by the Senate.

The government has also committed to funding the existing four trial sites (Bundaberg and Hervey Bay, Ceduna, Goldfields and East Kimberley) for a further year to 30 June 2021.

Siewert said the government had “defied logic and displayed contempt for both experts and people on income support” by extending the cashless debit card, which she said “simply does not work”.

In July the Australian National Audit Office review found there were major flaws in departmental evaluations of the program and said it was “difficult to conclude” where social harm had been reduced due to a “lack of robustness in data collection”.

Siewert said the announcement is “is putting people through hell in a social experiment that has no end in sight”. “And let’s be clear, these are no longer trials, they’ve been going for far too long.

“Not content with punishing people in the NT with the current form of income management they are going to make things even worse.”

The Labor social services spokeswoman, Linda Burney, said the policy was a “cynical pre-election” move to “demonise social security recipients, the overwhelming majority of whom use their payments in a responsible way”.

“Labor has always opposed a national rollout of the Cashless Debit Card and we do not support the expansion of the card to additional sites without informed community consent,” she said.

“We supported the initial trial sites in Ceduna and the East Kimberly to give the government the opportunity to see if the cashless debit card would work, but there isn’t any evidence of the card’s success.”

Fletcher said the cashless debit card “helps Australians exercise personal responsibility to improve their lives and their communities”.

“Unlike Labor and the Greens our Liberal National government is committed to the principle of mutual obligation – and we believe the cashless debit card is an effective way of supporting Australians on welfare to have more control of their lives,” he said.

“The cashless debit card offers a more streamlined approach to welfare quarantining and benefits to taxpayers, with operational costs of well under $1,000 per head in the most recent expansion site.”

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/mar/25/greens-blast-decision-to-...
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