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Aug 10th, 2019 at 7:38am
 
Don't expect a good pay rise for years, warns RBA   Sad

August 9, 2019
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Australians are likely to wait more than three years for a decent pay rise, the Reserve Bank has warned while challenging state and federal governments to end their caps on public sector wages and engage in sweeping tax reform.

Unveiling fresh economic forecasts that are substantially at odds with those underpinning the federal budget, RBA governor Philip Lowe used an at-times challenging appearance before the House of Representatives' economics committee to complain that limits on public sector pay rises were in effect "cementing" in place poor wage outcomes for the entire nation.


RBA governor Philip Lowe has called on state and federal governments to give their workers a pay rise while revealing wages are unlikely to rise substantially for several more years.

Markets expect the RBA will continue to slice official interest rates to 0.5 per cent by early next year, in part to drive down the unemployment rate and push up wages.

Dr Lowe said a major impediment to higher wages was the action of governments which, over a number of years, had sought to cap pay rises for the public sector, which accounts for up to a third of the nation's workforce.


Wage caps of 2.5 per cent or lower are common across almost every state and territory while the federal government has had a 2 per cent cap for several years.

"Wage caps in the public sector are cementing low wage norms across the country. The norm is 2 to 2.5 per cent and that is partly because of the decisions taken by state governments," he said.


"Caps on wages growth in public sectors right across the country are another factor contributing to the subdued wage outcomes.

"My view is that a further pick-up in wages growth is both affordable and desirable."

Dr Lowe said while he could understand why many governments sought to repair their budgets by limiting pay rises, the longer it went on, the more substantial economic impact they were inflicting.

He said he wanted pay rises with a "3" in front of them, suggesting a rate of 3.5 per cent should be a target.

    Wage caps in the public sector are cementing low wage norms across the country.

The RBA now believes overall wages will grow by just 2.3 per cent over the next 12 months before barely edging up to 2.4 per cent by the end of 2021.

A downgrade from its most recent forecasts, the RBA's predictions are well short of the federal Treasury, which in the April budget forecast wage growth of 3.5 per cent through 2021-22.

Unions moved quickly to back the governor's comments, with ACTU secretary Sally McManus accusing state and federal governments of deliberately keeping wages low and causing "desperation" for many Australians.   Sad

"The Reserve Bank governor testified to parliament today that the government's own position on the pay of people working for it is keeping wages down for everyone," she said.

Dr Lowe, who said one of the largest risks to the economy was the ongoing trade war between the United States and China, argued that apart from low interest rates, the country had to look at increased infrastructure spending and "productivity-enhancing" structural reforms.

He said an overhaul of the way land was taxed in the country, new competition policies, a revamp of taxes on consumption and innovation plus an investment in skills could all boost productivity across the economy.

Without such changes, the nation faced falling wages and a drop in the value of important assets while government budgets would also suffer.

"That's the most important challenge that we face," he said.

In its quarterly outlook on the economy, the RBA downgraded its key forecasts, with the economy now expected to grow 2.5 per cent through this year while the jobless rate is not forecast to slip below 5 per cent until the end of 2021.

Markets expect the RBA to cut official rates twice over the next six months with Dr Lowe not ruling out the official cash rate falling to zero if the global and domestic economy deteriorate.

ANZ's head of Australian economics, David Blank, said the RBA's downgraded forecasts suggested it should have considered a rate cut at its meeting this week rather than hold for another month or two.

"We think another rate cut this year is inevitable," he said.
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Reply #1 - Aug 10th, 2019 at 7:42am
 
RBA blows whistle on Government’s wage suppression
9 August 2019
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Reserve Bank Governor Philip Lowe has blown the whistle on the Morrison Government’s direct role in suppressing the wages of working people.   

The Morrison Government has capped the pay of people who provide vital public services to the people of Australia, preventing the many of the nation’s law enforcement, scientists, administrators and health professionals from negotiating fair pay rises.

Testifying before the House of Representatives economics committee, Dr Lowe said:

“Caps on wages growth in public sectors right across the country are another factor contributing to the subdued wage outcomes… My view is that a further pickup in wages growth is both affordable and desirable.”

Wages in the public sector have a large impact on overall wages in the economy.

The comments come after Finance Minister Mathias Cormann admitted earlier this year in an interview that low wages growth was a “deliberate design feature” of the Coalition’s economic policy.

 

Quotes attributable to ACTU Secretary Sally McManus:

“Scott Morrison and his Government are deliberately keeping wages low, and they’re breaking our economy and causing desperation for many people.

“The Reserve Bank Governor testified to parliament today that the Government’s own position on the pay of people working for it is keeping wages down for everyone.

“Many working people are struggling to live, and this also affects local businesses.

“We already know that this is a deliberate design feature of the Government’s plan – they have admitted it.

“They need a better plan that puts working people first.

“We are calling once again for Scott Morrison to side with working people in this fight for fair pay. He must remove the cap that the RBA says is damaging our economy, reverse the penalty rate cuts and get people’s wages moving again.”
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Reply #2 - Aug 10th, 2019 at 8:37am
 
The article is not true. The remuneration of government workers is rising faster than rates for non-government workers.

There is a widespread perception in the community that government workers are low productivity and 90% of them would never leave their jobs for a private industry job which means that eventually, the public service accumulates the dregs of the workforce.
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Reply #3 - Aug 10th, 2019 at 10:08am
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 10th, 2019 at 8:37am:
The article is not true. The remuneration of government workers is rising faster than rates for non-government workers.

There is a widespread perception in the community that government workers are low productivity and 90% of them would never leave their jobs for a private industry job which means that eventually, the public service accumulates the dregs of the workforce.


Article not true?  I suppose you found one instance out of the 100s that is not?  And so the entirety is false?

Or perhaps based on actual statistics that overall it is true?

Either way, no "good pay rise for years" will last while coalition is in government.
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Reply #4 - Aug 10th, 2019 at 10:15am
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 10th, 2019 at 8:37am:
The article is not true. The remuneration of government workers is rising faster than rates for non-government workers.

There is a widespread perception in the community that government workers are low productivity and 90% of them would never leave their jobs for a private industry job which means that eventually, the public service accumulates the dregs of the workforce.


There have been caps on public service wage increases since the Liberals took power. This is an undeniable documented fact.

Any widespread perception is a false beat up driven by the right unless you are referring to upper management where both accusations may well be correct.
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Reply #5 - Aug 10th, 2019 at 11:46am
 
Until The Next War is over, and the status of the common man is restored in the West - things will continue to go downhill.  It seems We of the West still need to learn that liberty must be periodically refreshed with the blood of entire generations, and that liberty includes a fair living in return for effort ... and that this episodic refreshment with the blood of youth is not necessarily the best way to go.

Just finished that Wild Bill Guarnere/Babe Heffron book - and it brings the actual sacrifice of a generation into focus far better than Band of Brothers, which, as usual, is whitewashed a bit to make them All American Boys (his words).  They did what they had to do and some of it was very nasty.

Point is - it was the sacrifices of entire generations in WW I and WW II that prompted the demand on and then the acquiescence of the political class to a fairer deal for those 'peasants' - including universal health care and worker rights guaranteed - then the betrayal began, as usual, and the mass importation of impoverished, grasping people boosted the move back towards neo-feudalism and outright oppression of the many to benefit the few, those few re-developing the concept of The Robber Baron with impunity, aided by their taking over the political system and exploiting it for their own ends.

Look at the 'mix' of politicians around these days - all the grasping self-interest groups ... all elitists .... and we allowed this to happen to us all and to future generations.

May the next sacrifice not be yours.....
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Reply #6 - Aug 10th, 2019 at 11:53am
 
Dnarever wrote on Aug 10th, 2019 at 10:15am:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 10th, 2019 at 8:37am:
The article is not true. The remuneration of government workers is rising faster than rates for non-government workers.

There is a widespread perception in the community that government workers are low productivity and 90% of them would never leave their jobs for a private industry job which means that eventually, the public service accumulates the dregs of the workforce.


There have been caps on public service wage increases since the Liberals took power. The is an undeniable documented fact.

Any widespread perception is a false beat up driven by the right unless you are referring to upper management where both accusations may well be correct.


Caps on the middle ranks while the top and bottom enjoy boom times.
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Reply #7 - Aug 10th, 2019 at 11:55am
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 10th, 2019 at 8:37am:
The article is not true. The remuneration of government workers is rising faster than rates for non-government workers.

There is a widespread perception in the community that government workers are low productivity and 90% of them would never leave their jobs for a private industry job which means that eventually, the public service accumulates the dregs of the workforce.

This "widespread perception" is not true. A lot of government workers work hard and are on short-term contracts with very tight KPIs.

If you want to see where the real unproductive waste is taking place, the privatised recipients of Federal government largesse are the ones at the top of the list. Serco's contracts (workers cost more for the same output due to Serco's fat cat middlemen), Jobactive (10,000 people contributing nothing useful to the economy), the private health insurance rebate (a lot of fat can be cut there), Paladin ($20 million a month to do very little) and so on.
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Reply #8 - Aug 10th, 2019 at 11:56am
 
Bam wrote on Aug 10th, 2019 at 11:55am:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 10th, 2019 at 8:37am:
The article is not true. The remuneration of government workers is rising faster than rates for non-government workers.

There is a widespread perception in the community that government workers are low productivity and 90% of them would never leave their jobs for a private industry job which means that eventually, the public service accumulates the dregs of the workforce.

This "widespread perception" is not true. A lot of government workers work hard and are on short-term contracts with very tight KPIs.

If you want to see where the real unproductive waste is taking place, the privatised recipients of Federal government largesse are the ones at the top of the list. Serco's contracts (workers cost more for the same output due to Serco's fat cat middlemen), Jobactive (10,000 people contributing nothing useful to the economy), the private health insurance rebate (a lot of fat can be cut there), Paladin ($20 million a month to do very little) and so on.


How true.....
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Reply #9 - Aug 10th, 2019 at 11:00pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 10th, 2019 at 11:53am:
Dnarever wrote on Aug 10th, 2019 at 10:15am:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 10th, 2019 at 8:37am:
The article is not true. The remuneration of government workers is rising faster than rates for non-government workers.

There is a widespread perception in the community that government workers are low productivity and 90% of them would never leave their jobs for a private industry job which means that eventually, the public service accumulates the dregs of the workforce.


There have been caps on public service wage increases since the Liberals took power. The is an undeniable documented fact.

Any widespread perception is a false beat up driven by the right unless you are referring to upper management where both accusations may well be correct.


Caps on the middle ranks while the top and bottom enjoy boom times.


No caps on all the worker wages
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Reply #10 - Aug 11th, 2019 at 11:03am
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 10th, 2019 at 8:37am:
The article is not true. The remuneration of government workers is rising faster than rates for non-government workers.

There is a widespread perception in the community that government workers are low productivity and 90% of them would never leave their jobs for a private industry job which means that eventually, the public service accumulates the dregs of the workforce.


and yet they still oursource a lot of their work to private consultants like deloitte, ernst and young, KPMG etc

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