SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 30^th, 2019 at 7:30pm:

If you look it up everybody concedes that nobody really has an accurate figure. There's a few arguments. One is that many died in camps from disease and weren't exterminated. The other is that many non jews are contained in these figures. I've read investigations into the holocaust where many historians put the figure between 500,000 and 6 million. Considering the politics surrounding  sympathy for the founding of Israel and post war legal proceedings against certain countries there was definitely a reason to fudge these figures.

Ok, so there was a viral Facebook post that claimed that Red Cross documentation showed 271,000 people died in Nazi concentration camps, rather than the widely accepted figure of around six million.

If you type out the link they cite as evidence in the meme it takes you at an article that includes a 1979 document which it claims lists the true concentration camp death toll.

In fact the documentation from 1979 shows the number of death certificates that had been issued for prisoners in 13 Nazi concentration camps. The number of death certificates represents only a fraction of the total death toll for various reasons because there were over 1200 sites that executed the prisoners.

The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) have stated,

“The ICRC accepts the Holocaust as fact and does not dispute in any way the official number of lives that were lost.”

After the Second World War, an organisation called the Special Registry Office based in the German town of Bad Arolsen was authorised to formally issue death certificates for prisoners of Nazi concentration camps.

The Special Registry Office (which still operates today) primarily draws upon the collections of the International Tracing Service (ITS) which maintains an archive on victims of the Nazis.

The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) managed the ITS until 2012 (hence the link between the Red Cross and these figures).

No single data source holds an authoritative estimate for the number of Jews murdered during the Holocaust, but six million is an accepted rough estimate. This does not include non-Jews systematically murdered during the Holocaust such as the Roma and disabled people.

The problem is that the sources that push the claim that the death doll was a fraction of what is accepted all stem from anti-Semitic groups claiming to be legitimate but are just pushing their standard message.

The number is false, the Jews are lying, what else are they lying about, did the holocaust even happen?

That's how it always goes and sadly this time, despite the please of accuracy and intellectual pursuits, it's still the same whether you realise it or not, or are a willing participant or not.

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 30^th, 2019 at 9:16pm:


It doesn't matter where you read it, the number was never a total count of the death toll and the Red Cross themselves have had to come out and correct the record because the misinformation spread like wildfire through the expected communities.

I don't care where you saw it from.  People with an agenda to push took it out of context and those reading it were too quick to accept the opinions these people, you know because it gelled with their internal biases.

Holocaust revisionism is just another chapter entitled "How to deny the Houlacost openly in public" from the same book the deniers use.

Edit: Full Disclosure, my grandfather was Jewish.  He renounced his faith, changed his name and fled to Australia after the war.  I've always gone to him with questions since our Primary and even High School history classes left a lot of information out and he taught me how to find out more information on this and many other subjects. Before the Internet, we'd go to libraries etc, there were a lot more resources in Melbourne back then.  I'm happy to continue on this topic but know that you'll be greeted with facts you may not like, but they'll be facts, not just opinions that I agree with.  That's pretty much the bases of all my posts here, be ready.

SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 31^st, 2019 at 8:36am:


I'll pass.

My favorite conspiracy involves tens of thousands of scientists not ONE of whom has broken the silence.

Yes, silly conspiracy theory believed in by sad little brainless deniers, like Booby here, who believe it is all a conspiracy. How whacked out can you get?

No, the globe is not cooling, it is warming. No, a Grand Solar Minimum will NOT cause an ice age since a GSM cools by a maximum of 0.2°C and AGW warms by 0.2°C/decade.

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 30^th, 2019 at 9:16pm:



Reference?

Only shows up links to the Red Cross. Anything on the actual disputed thing?

Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 1:57pm:



So wheres the link, is it that fing hard.