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Re: Has there been a more outrageous porky here?
Reply #90 - Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 2:47pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 2:45pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 1:42pm:

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freediver wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 8:28am:

Brian do you have the right or ability to criticise Muslims, Islam or Muslim countries?

When you answer my questions, I might answer yours, FD. Roll Eyes

Have you ever criticised Islam on here Brian?

That's a question. See how It's done, G?

And typically I didn't get an answer. I've read Brian bag the crap out of Christianity on here constantly but I'm pretty sure I never read a post from him bagging Islam. Why?

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Re: Has there been a more outrageous porky here?
Reply #91 - Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 2:51pm

freediver wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 11:01am:

I copied the quote into this thread for you Gandalf. I even highlighted the bit about them killing students and teachers for you, in the vain hope that you would not miss it again and keep dribbling on about me not providing the quote. I have probably done this for you a dozen times already.

FD I have acknowledged about a dozen times you provide this quote. I just did it in my last post. It is a quote that is completely irrelevant - as I keep telling you. It is completely irrelevant to the claim that the taliban regime 1996-2001 had an "actively enforced policy" of shooting little girls in the back of the head for a) going to school and b) reading non- Quranic material (if they were under 8).

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Why are you working so hard at providing propaganda for the Taliban? Was Abu correct that Islam requires Muslims to instinctively and uncritically support other Muslims against the infidel?

Not even you can deny you made up the part about under 8s being shot for reading non-Quranic material. None of your sources even mention under 8s - let alone what they were shot for. Is pointing out these lies really nothing but pedantry to you?

Lying is bad FD - even when its to demonize people who are already bad. The same sort of porkies you are telling were used to justify unjustifiable wars - which caused horrors that not even the most ardent critics at the time were predicting. You told a lie (and continue to defend it) for no less dangerous purposes - to attempt to shut down any suggestion that invading and occupying Afghanistan may not have been the best solution to 9/11. People like you will continue lying in the future for the purposes of getting us involved in evil and unnecessary wars.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Has there been a more outrageous porky here?
Reply #92 - Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 2:53pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 2:51pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 11:01am:

I copied the quote into this thread for you Gandalf. I even highlighted the bit about them killing students and teachers for you, in the vain hope that you would not miss it again and keep dribbling on about me not providing the quote. I have probably done this for you a dozen times already.

FD I have acknowledged about a dozen times you provide this quote. I just did it in my last post. It is a quote that is completely irrelevant - as I keep telling you. It is completely irrelevant to the claim that the taliban regime 1996-2001 had an "actively enforced policy" of shooting little girls in the back of the head for a) going to school and b) reading non- Quranic material (if they were under 8).

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Why are you working so hard at providing propaganda for the Taliban? Was Abu correct that Islam requires Muslims to instinctively and uncritically support other Muslims against the infidel?

Not even you can deny you made up the part about under 8s being shot for reading non-Quranic material. None of your sources even mention under 8s - let alone what they were shot for.

Lying is bad FD - even when its to demonize people who are already bad. The same sort of porkies you are telling were used to justify unjustifiable wars - which caused horrors that not even the most ardent critics at the time were predicting. You told a lie (and continue to defend it) for no less dangerous purposes - to attempt to shut down any suggestion that invading and occupying Afghanistan may not have been the best solution to 9/11. People like you will continue lying in the future for the purposes of getting us involved in evil and unnecessary wars.

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What you are thinking of is the line about the taliban bombing schools over a decade after during the insurgency.

That was probably Bobby. The quote I provided used the exact words "killing students and teachers".

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Re: Has there been a more outrageous porky here?
Reply #93 - Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 3:00pm

Let me introduce you to the grammatical notion of the present tense FD:

the full quote you refer to:

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The Taliban are still opposed to education for Afghan boys and girls. They are burning down schools, killing students and teachers by all kinds of means, including chemical warfare. For example, in June 2012

ie - *NOT* 1996-2001.

This part of the same article, on the other hand *IS* referring to the taliban rule 1996-2001:

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Many women involved in teaching were caught by the Taliban and persecuted, jailed, and tortured.

Notice it doesn't meniton anyone getting killed?

My goodness, wouldn't you think that if there was an "actively enforced policy" of shooting little girls in the back of the head for going to school/reading non-Quranic material, it would mention it somewhere?

Wouldn't you think that if someone was to make such a clear and specific claim that they were, would have some shred of evidence to substantiate it??

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Has there been a more outrageous porky here? Reply #94 - Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 3:04pm funny, I still can't see any mention of under 8s and their punishment for reading non-Quranic material. Golly gosh, I can't even find a single reference to under 8s. Wherever did you get the idea they were shot in the back of the head for reading non-Quranic material FD?
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Re: Has there been a more outrageous porky here?
Reply #95 - Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 3:04pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 2:47pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 2:45pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 1:42pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 1:36pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 8:28am:

Brian do you have the right or ability to criticise Muslims, Islam or Muslim countries?

When you answer my questions, I might answer yours, FD. Roll Eyes

Have you ever criticised Islam on here Brian?

That's a question. See how It's done, G?

And typically I didn't get an answer. I've read Brian bag the crap out of Christianity on here constantly but I'm pretty sure I never read a post from him bagging Islam. Why?

Because Brian is offline, dear.

Why? Brian has explained this ad nauseum. FD even put him in the Wiki. Brian said he's not a Muselman, so he has no right to criticise it. Brian was baptised as a Christian, so he knows what he's talking about.

Brian also purchased a PhD in Divinity, but that's another story.

Now you see how cunning FD is. FD knows what Brian thinks, but he wants to create an avalanche of distractions to get G off his back. You, as ever, fell for it completely.

Why G is so shocked by this is anybody's guess. FD, you see, tells porkies. FD believes the opposite of Brian. He thinks knowing nothing about Islam gives him carte blanche to make stuff up.

You?

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Re: Has there been a more outrageous porky here?
Reply #96 - Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 3:07pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 3:04pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 2:47pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 2:45pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 1:42pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 1:36pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 8:28am:

Brian do you have the right or ability to criticise Muslims, Islam or Muslim countries?

When you answer my questions, I might answer yours, FD. Roll Eyes

Have you ever criticised Islam on here Brian?

That's a question. See how It's done, G?

And typically I didn't get an answer. I've read Brian bag the crap out of Christianity on here constantly but I'm pretty sure I never read a post from him bagging Islam. Why?

Because Brian is offline, dear.

Why? Brian has explained this ad nauseum. FD even put him in the Wiki. Brian said he's not a Muselman, so he has no right to criticise it. Brian was baptised as a Christian, so he knows what he's talking about.

Brian also purchased a PhD in Divinity, but that's another story.

Now you see how cunning FD is. FD knows what Brian thinks, but he wants to create an avalanche of distractions to get G off his back. You, as ever, fell for it completely.

Why G is so shocked by this is anybody's guess. FD, you see, tells porkies. FD believes the opposite of Brian. He thinks knowing nothing about Islam gives him carte blanche to make stuff up.

You?

He was online when I wrote that post dear. I checked. I wrote it just after he posted.

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Re: Has there been a more outrageous porky here?
Reply #97 - Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 3:10pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 3:04pm:

funny, I still can't see any mention of under 8s and their punishment for reading non-Quranic material. Golly gosh, I can't even find a single reference to under 8s.

Wherever did you get the idea they were shot in the back of the head for reading non-Quranic material FD?

I have asked you several times what exactly your pedantry is based on. All you responded with was denying that I quoted what I quoted. For what you consider to be the most outrageous porky ever posted you certainly chop and change a lot regarding what exactly your problem is.

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Re: Has there been a more outrageous porky here?
Reply #98 - Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 3:10pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 2:51pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 11:01am:

I copied the quote into this thread for you Gandalf. I even highlighted the bit about them killing students and teachers for you, in the vain hope that you would not miss it again and keep dribbling on about me not providing the quote. I have probably done this for you a dozen times already.

FD I have acknowledged about a dozen times you provide this quote. I just did it in my last post. It is a quote that is completely irrelevant - as I keep telling you. It is completely irrelevant to the claim that the taliban regime 1996-2001 had an "actively enforced policy" of shooting little girls in the back of the head for a) going to school and b) reading non- Quranic material (if they were under 8).

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Why are you working so hard at providing propaganda for the Taliban? Was Abu correct that Islam requires Muslims to instinctively and uncritically support other Muslims against the infidel?

Not even you can deny you made up the part about under 8s being shot for reading non-Quranic material. None of your sources even mention under 8s - let alone what they were shot for. Is pointing out these lies really nothing but pedantry to you?

Lying is bad FD - even when its to demonize people who are already bad. The same sort of porkies you are telling were used to justify unjustifiable wars - which caused horrors that not even the most ardent critics at the time were predicting. You told a lie (and continue to defend it) for no less dangerous purposes - to attempt to shut down any suggestion that invading and occupying Afghanistan may not have been the best solution to 9/11. People like you will continue lying in the future for the purposes of getting us involved in evil and unnecessary wars.

FD freely admits this. He now believes it was perfectly sensible to make up lies to justify the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq. After all, they're Muslims.

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Re: Has there been a more outrageous porky here?
Reply #99 - Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 3:13pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 1:42pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 1:36pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 8:28am:

Brian do you have the right or ability to criticise Muslims, Islam or Muslim countries?

When you answer my questions, I might answer yours, FD. Roll Eyes

Have you ever criticised Islam on here Brian?

Yes. However, I don't bang on about it continuously unlike Islamophobes like you do, Hammer. Roll Eyes

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Re: Has there been a more outrageous porky here?
Reply #100 - Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 3:14pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 3:13pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 1:42pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 1:36pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 8:28am:

Brian do you have the right or ability to criticise Muslims, Islam or Muslim countries?

When you answer my questions, I might answer yours, FD. Roll Eyes

Have you ever criticised Islam on here Brian?

Yes. However, I don't bang on about it continuously unlike Islamophobes like you do, Hammer. Roll Eyes

However you do bang on about Christianity like a Christianophobe.

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Re: Has there been a more outrageous porky here?
Reply #101 - Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 3:17pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 3:14pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 3:13pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 1:42pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 1:36pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 8:28am:

Brian do you have the right or ability to criticise Muslims, Islam or Muslim countries?

When you answer my questions, I might answer yours, FD. Roll Eyes

Have you ever criticised Islam on here Brian?

Yes. However, I don't bang on about it continuously unlike Islamophobes like you do, Hammer. Roll Eyes

However you do bang on about Christianity like a Christianophobe.

IMO they are the same

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Re: Has there been a more outrageous porky here?
Reply #102 - Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 3:19pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 3:17pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 3:14pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 3:13pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 1:42pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 1:36pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 8:28am:

Brian do you have the right or ability to criticise Muslims, Islam or Muslim countries?

When you answer my questions, I might answer yours, FD. Roll Eyes

Have you ever criticised Islam on here Brian?

Yes. However, I don't bang on about it continuously unlike Islamophobes like you do, Hammer. Roll Eyes

However you do bang on about Christianity like a Christianophobe.

IMO they are the same

Spot

Well, yes it is.

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Re: Has there been a more outrageous porky here?
Reply #103 - Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 3:26pm

freediver wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 3:10pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 3:04pm:

funny, I still can't see any mention of under 8s and their punishment for reading non-Quranic material. Golly gosh, I can't even find a single reference to under 8s.

Wherever did you get the idea they were shot in the back of the head for reading non-Quranic material FD?

I have asked you several times what exactly your pedantry is based on. All you responded with was denying that I quoted what I quoted.

FD I respond by pointing out there is no basis to your claims, and that the only reference you have is a completely irrelevant quote about what the taliban were up to after the period in question.

Hows this for pedantry:

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The Taliban presented every girl over 8 in the regions they controlled with the death penalty for learning to read, and girls under 8 with the death penalty for learning to read anything other than the Quran. It was not an isolated incident, it was an actively enforced policy.

Do you agree there is literally no mention of girls under 8 anywhere in the two articles you cited - let alone what they were shot for?

What possible grasping could you do to claim this is somehow substantiated? Surely you would have to admit its a little difficult when neither article even say anything about under 8s no?

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Has there been a more outrageous porky here?
Reply #104 - Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 4:17pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 3:14pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 3:13pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 1:42pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 1:36pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2019 at 8:28am:

Brian do you have the right or ability to criticise Muslims, Islam or Muslim countries?

When you answer my questions, I might answer yours, FD. Roll Eyes

Have you ever criticised Islam on here Brian?

Yes. However, I don't bang on about it continuously unlike Islamophobes like you do, Hammer. Roll Eyes

However you do bang on about Christianity like a Christianophobe.

No. I bang on about Christianity like someone who dislikes the hypocrisy of the Christians when they condemn the Muslims. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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