freediver wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2019 at 6:38pm:


I certainly did present some facts - the guardian system, the near-complete isolation of women from the outside world, the fact that the vast majority are unemployed because of the restrictions applied to them. I also mentioned the women being tortured for speaking out against human rights abuses. And I may also have mentioned their genocide in Yemen.

None of these you dispute of course, because it is common knowledge. Nothing I said about Saudi Arabia is transparent bullshit like your claim about little pre-schoolers being shot in the back of the head for reading the wrong stuff.

But please FD, please keep lecturing me about "presenting the facts" - you have so much credibility on the subject now.

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Its not about talking one up, its about putting them both in their rightful place at the very bottom of the moral ladder. The taliban are scum, as are the Saudi regime. Personally I think they are as bad as each other, and its spineless apologism to say one is better than the other - in terms of their treatment of women. Not to mention a massive insult to Saudi women.

Also, Saudis don't kill Americans at every opportunity because the Americans are bending over to them and not invading their country - selling them genocide weapons and fueling their warplanes en-route to bomb schools and hospitals. Interestingly enough, the taliban weren't "killing Americans at every opportunity" before they were invaded either. On the contrary, they were sending emisaries to them to beg them to build gas pipelines in their country and wanting trade deals and diplomatic recognition.

freediver wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2019 at 7:32pm:


Sure, based on your BS fairy tales about pre-schoolers getting shot in the back of the head for reading the wrong stuff - in a "widespread" and "activey enforced policy" no less. Do you have any actual facts you can present to demonstrate that the Saudis treat women better than the taliban did?

freediver wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2019 at 7:32pm:


I have done nothing of the sort. I call out blatant transparent lies when I see them. Even when its levelled against a mob who are already terrible. And what you said FD, was a blatant, transparent lie - done in the name of cheerleading for warmongering. Warmongering that hurts your beloved Afghani women more than anyone else.

freediver wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2019 at 7:32pm:


The Saudis push school girls back into burning buildings because they are dressed immodestly. They behead maids who defend themselves against abusive masters. They export terrorists into Syria to slaughter christians and any other minority you can think of, and then send them money and weapons. But even worse than this, they wage actual genocide in Yemen, and routinely bomb schools and hospitals. 10s of thousands of Yemenis are now on the brink of starvation thanks to the Saudi led blockade. There is probably not a greater humanitarian disaster in the world today. The Saudis are an economic superpower in the region, and they, along with their rich Gulf puppets, are using their enormous wealth to fund terrorism and wage proxy wars against Iran - all over the region. They are a huge destabilising force in an already volatile region. They are, in short, an incredibly dangerous regime not just to their own people, but the entire region. There is no country in the world who needs to be called out for and criticised more than the Saudis - imo - literally for the sake of world peace.

But apparently you think we should just apologise for them.

Bias_2012 wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2019 at 8:46pm:



You can't get it through your head - ISIS atrocities are no excuse for Christians to keep committing atrocities.
Two wrongs don't make a right.

To be fair though, two Wrights made an airplane.

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2019 at 9:05pm:


Not avoiding it at all. I'm saying Christian atrocities are no excuse for muslims to keep committing atrocities

Just because Christians commit atrocities, doesn't mean muslims should commit atrocities

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2019 at 8:31pm:


In 2015, 52 percent of all university graduates in Saudi Arabia were female.

Do you really think I am the only one who considers the Taliban to be particularly bad, even by Muslim standards? And what is it with Muslims like you and Abu feeling compelled to defend the Taliban and attack the Saudis?

freediver wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2019 at 6:38pm:


Apart from September 11?

Good point, FD. So typical of that dastardly G.

Now which other devout Muselman here spinelesly apologised for Sept 11?

Will you say?

freediver wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2019 at 9:48pm:


G, I really think you need a Wiki to keep track of all this spineless snivelling.

These quotes are gold.