polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 3:44pm:


Yes, but I feel we need to consider FD's wider agenda here. He is, after all, defending the reforms made to women's rights in the Saudi Kingdom, G. Does it matter if he tells a few white lies about the Taliban? FD's trying to help women everywhere.

Just think, women can now go to uni, they can drive (with permission), they can even get passports and leave the country if their husbands or fathers support it and provide a chaperone. This is progress. FD's just supporting that.

Besides, the Saudi's are on Uncle's side, so it's all good. The Saudis might fund global terrorism and regimes like the Taliban, but at least they do a few arms deals with Uncle's friends.

This has nothing to do with FD's stance on the Taliban, mind you. FD's just backing the right kind of Muslim - the Wahabists. Quiet, peaceful and friendly, a most jolly bunch.

Okay, that might be a porky too, but it's only a little white lie in the name of Freeeeedom.

@ abu: Quote:


Oh! Do tell us about abrogation?

Why are you dancing around the fact that: 64% of the qur'an is devoted to the hatred rape torture and mass murder of the unbeliever?

Amount of Text Devoted to the Kafir

The Koran says that the Kafir may be deceived, plotted against, hated, enslaved, mocked, tortured and worse. The word is usually translated as “unbeliever” but this translation is wrong. The word “unbeliever” is logically and emotionally neutral, whereas, Kafir is the most abusive, prejudiced and hateful word in any language.

Islam devotes a great amount of energy to the Kafir. The majority (64%) of the Koran is devoted to the Kafir, and nearly all of the Sira (81%) deals with Mohammed’s struggle with them. The Hadith (Traditions) devotes 32% of the text to Kafirs1. Overall, the Trilogy devotes 60% of its content to the Kafir.

Hadith 37%
Sira 81%
Koran 64%
Total 60%

Hatred for the sake of Allah and love for the sake of Allah is called Al Walaa wa al Baraa, a fundamental principle of Islamic ethics and Sharia. A Muslim is to hate what Allah hates and love what Allah loves. Allah hates the Kafir, therefore, a Muslim is to act accordingly

The Bible is filled with the acts of a vengeful Yahweh and his minions:

	Killing Event	Reference	Bible's Number	Estimate
1	The Flood of Noah	Gen 7:23		20000000
2	Abraham's war to rescue Lot	Gen 14:17-19		1000
3	Sodom and Gomorrah	Gen 19:24		2000
4	Lot's wife	Gen 19:26	1	1
5	While they were sore, Dinah's brethren slew all the males	Gen 34:1-31, Judith 9:2-3	2	1000
6	Er for being wicked in the sight of the Lord	Gen 38:7	1	1
7	Onan for spilling his seed	Gen 38:10	1	1
8	A seven year worldwide famine	Gen 41:25-54		70000
9	There will be blood: The first plague of Egypt	Ex 7:15-27 , Wis 11:7-8		10000
10	The seventh plague: hail	Ex 9:25		300000
11	Firstborn Egyptian children	Ex 12:29-30		500000
12	The Lord took off their chariot wheels	Ex 14:8-26	600	5000
13	Amalekites	Ex 17:13		1000
14	Who is on the Lord's side?: Forcing friends and family to kill each other	Ex 32:27-28	3000	3000
15	Aaron's golden calf	Ex 32:35		1000
16	God burns Aaron's sons to death for offering "strange fire"	Lev 10:1-3	2	2
17	A blasphemer is stoned to death	Lev 24:10-23	1	1
18	When the people complained, God burned them to death	Num 11:1		100
19	While the flesh was still between their teeth, the Lord smote them will a very great plague	Num 11:33		10000
20	Ten scouts are killed for their honest report	Num 14:35-45	10	110
21	A man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day is stoned to death	Num 15:32-35	1	1
22	Korah, his companions, and their families are buried alive	Num 16:27	3	9
23	God burns 250 people to death for burning incense	Num 16:35	250	250
24	God kills 14,700 for complaining about God's killings	Num 16:49	14700	14700
25	The massacre of the Aradies	Num 21:1-2		3000
26	God sent serpents to bite people for complaining about the lack of food and water	Num 21:6		100
27	Phineas's double murder: A killing to end God's killing	Num 25:1-11	24002	24002
28	The Midianite massacre: Have ye saved all the women alive?	Num 31:1-35	6	200000
29	God slowly killed the Israelite army	Dt 2:14-16		500000
30	God the giant killer	Dt 2:21-22		5000
31	God hardens King Sihon's heart so all his people can be killed	Dt 2:33-34	1	5000
32	Og and all the men women, and children in 60 cities	Dt 3:6	1	60000
33	The Jericho massacre	Jos 6:21		1000
34	Achan and his family	Jos 7:10-26	1	5
35	The Ai massacre	Jos 8:1-25	12000	12000
36	God stops the sun so Joshua can get his killing done in the daylight	Jos 10:10-11		5000
37	Five kings killed and hung on trees	Jos 10:26	5	10000
38	Joshua utterly destroyed all that breathed as the Lord commanded	Jos 10:28-42	7	7000
39	The genocide of twenty cities: There was not any left to breathe	Jos 11:8-12	2	20000

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40	The Anakim: some more giant killing	Jos 11:20-21		5000
41	The Lord delivered the Canaanites and Perizzites	Jg 1:4	10000	10000
42	The Jerusalem massacre	Jg 1:8		1000
43	Five massacres, a wedding, and God-proof iron chariots	Jg 1:9-25		5000
44	The Lord delivered Chushanrishathaim	Jg 3:7-10	1	1000
45	Ehud delivers a message from God	Jg 3:15-22	1	1
46	God delivers 10,000 lusty Moabites	Jg 3:28-29	10000	10000
47	Shamgar killed 600 Philistines with an ox goad	Jg 3:31	600	600
48	Barak and God massacre the Canaanites	Jg 4:15-16		1000
49	Jael pounds a tent stake through a sleeping man's skull	Jg 4:18-22	1	1
50	Gideon's story: The Lord set every man's sword against his fellow	Jg 7:22	120000	120000
51	A city is massacred and 1000 burn to death because of God's evil spirit	Jg 9:23-27	1001	2000
52	The Ammonite massacre	Jg 11:32-33		20000
53	Jephthah's daughter	Jg 11:39	1	1
54	42,000 die for failing the "shibboleth" test	Jg 12:4-7	42000	42000
55	Samson murdered 30 men for their clothes	Jg 14:19	30	30
56	Samson killed 1000 men with the jawbone of an ass	Jg 15:14-15	1000	1000
57	Samson killed 3000 in a suicide terrorist attack	Jg 16:27-30	3000	3000
58	A holy civil war (it had something to do with rotting concubine body part messages)	Jg 20:35-37	65100	65100
59	The end of Judges: two genocides and 200 stolen virgins	Jg 21:10-14		4000
60	God killed Eli's sons and 34,000 Israelite soldiers	1 Sam 2:25, 4:11	34002	34002
61	God smote them with hemorrhoids in their secret parts	1 Sam 5:1-12		3000
62	50,070 killed for looking into the ark of the Lord	1 Sam 6:19	50070	50070
63	The Lord thundered a great thunder upon the Philistines	1 Sam 7:10-11		1000
64	Another Ammonite massacre (and another God-inspired body part message)	1 Sam 11:6-13		1000
65	Jonathan's first slaughter	1 Sam 14:12-14	20	20
66	God forces the Philistines to kill each other	1 Sam 14:20		1000
67	The Amalekite genocide	1 Sam  15:2-3		10000
68	Samuel hacks Agag to death before the Lord	1 Sam 15:32-33	1	1
69	In the valley of Elah: Goliath	1 Sam 17:51, 2 Sam 21:19	1	1
70	David buys a wife with 200 Philistine foreskins	1 Sam  18:27	200	200
71	The Lord said to David, Go and smite the Philistines	1 Sam 23:2-5		10000
72	God killed Nabal (and David got his wife and other stuff)	1 Sam 25:38	1	1
73	David commits random acts of genocide for the Philistines	1 Sam 27:8-11		60000
74	David spends the day killing Amalekites	1 Sam 30:17		1000
75	God kills Saul, his sons, and his soldiers (because Saul didn't kill all the Amalekites)	1 Sam 31:2, 2 Chr 10:6	4	100

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76	David kills the messenger	2 Sam 1:15	1	1
77	David killed, mutilated, and hung Rechab and Baanah	2 Sam 4:12	2	2
78	God helps David smite the Philistines from the front and the rear	2 Sam 5:19-25		2000
79	God killed Uzzah for trying to keep the ark from falling	2 Sam 6:6-7, 1 Chr 13:9-10	1	1
80	David killed two-thirds of the Moabite POWs and enslaved the rest	2 Sam 8:2		667
81	And the Lord gave David victory wherever he went	2 Sam 8 - 10	65850	66850
82	David killed every male in Edom	2 Sam 8:13-14, 1 Kg 11:15-16, 1 Chr 18:12, Ps 60:1	15000	25000
83	Thus did David do to all the children of Ammon	2 Sam 11:1, 1 Chr 20:1		1000
84	God slowly kills a baby	2 Sam 12:14-18	1	1
85	Seven sons of Saul are hung up before the Lord	2 Sam 21:1-9	7	3000
86	David's mighty men and their amazing killings	2 Sam 23, 1 Chr 11	1403	3400
87	God killed 70,000 because of David had a census that God (or Satan) told him to do	2 Sam 24:15, 1 Chr 21:14	70000	200000
88	Solomon murdered Job and Shimei (per David's deathbed wish)	1 Kg 2:29-46	2	2
89	A tale of two prophets	1 Kg 13:11-24	1	1
90	Jeroboam's son: God kills another child	1 Kg 14:17	1	1
91	Jeroboam's family	1 Kg 15:29		10
92	Baasha's family and friends	1 Kg 16:11-12		20
93	Zimri burns to death	1 Kg 16:18-19	1	1
94	The drought of Elijah	1 Kg 17:1, Luke 4:25, James 5:17-18		3000
95	Elijah kills 450 religious leaders in a prayer contest	1 Kg 18:22-40	450	450
96	The first God-assisted slaughter of the Syrians	1 Kg 20:20-21		10000
97	God killed 100,000 Syrians for calling him a god of the hills	1 Kg 20:28-29	100000	100000
98	God killed 27,000 Syrians by making a wall fall on them	1 Kg 20:30	27000	27000
99	God sent a lion to kill a man for not smiting a prophet	1 Kg 20:35-36	1	1
100	God killed Ahab for not killing a captured king	1 Kg 20:42, 22:35	1	1
101	God burned 102 men to death for asking Elijah to come down from his hill	2 Kg 1:10-12	102	102
102	God killed Ahaziah for asking the wrong God	2 Kg 1:16-17, 2 Chr 22:7-9	1	1
103	God sent bears to kill 42 boys for making fun of a prophet's bald head	2 Kg 2:23-24	42	42
104	The Lord delivered the Moabites	2 Kg 3:18-25		5000
105	A skeptic is trampled to death	2 Kg 7:2-20	1	1
106	God's seven year famine	2 Kg 8:1		7000
107	Jehoram of Israel	2 Kg 9:24	1	1
108	Jezebel	2 Kg 9:33-37	1	1
109	Ahab's sons: 70 heads in two baskets	2 Kg 10:6-10	70	70
110	Ahab's hometown family, friends, and priests	2 Kg 10:11		20

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129	God smote Ahaz with the king of Syria	2 Chr 28:1-5	1	10000
130	God killed 120,000 valiant men for forsaking him	2 Chr 28:6	120000	120000
131	The fall of Jerusalem	2 Chr 36:16-17		10000
132	The Purim killings: God hath done these things	Esther 2 - 9, 10:4	75813	75813
133	God and Satan kill Job's children and slaves	Job 1:18-19	10	60
134	Hananiah	Jer 28:15-16	1	1
135	Ezekiel's wife	Ezek 24:15-18	1	1
136	Oh! Susanna	Dan 13:6-62	2	2
137	Judith is blessed above all women (for cutting off a sleeping man's head)	Judith 13:6-10	1	1
138	The Judith massacre: hang ye up this head upon our walls	Judith 15:1-6		1000
139	Mathathias's double murder	1 Mac 2:24-25	2	2
140	Mathathias and his friends slay the wicked sinners	1 Mac 2:44		100
141	God killed Andronicus, the sacrilegious wretch	2 Mac 4:38	1	1
142	A Jewish mob killed Lysimachus, the sacrilegious fellow	2 Mac 4:42	1	1
143	God helped Judas Machabeus destroy the wicked	1 Mac 3:1-26, 2 Mac 8:5-6	800	4900
144	Judas and his unarmed men kill 3000 of Gorgias's soldiers	1 Mac 3:44-4:24	3000	3000
145	The Hanukkah killings	1 Mac 4:34-5:7	5000	17000
146	The Machabees brothers slaughter the heathens	1 Mac 5:21-51	11000	37000
147	Nicanor's army: The Almighty being their helper, they slew above nine thousand men	1 Mac 7:32-47, 2 Mac 8:24, 15:27	147002	147002
148	Jonathan and Simon destroy the wicked out of Israel	1 Mac  9:46-49, 2 Mac  8:30-33, 10:61	1000	1200
149	Five heavenly horsemen cast darts and fireballs at the enemy	2 Mac 8:32-10:38	21103	21400

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Secret Wars wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 7:14pm:




Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  It always has to be about me, right, hey, Secret?  Never about how violent Christianity is in it's Holy Book, the Bible.  Why not answer the point being raised, instead of attacking me, personally or is that too hard for you?